Christians are not going to be judged by the ten commandments.

[BobRyan]

2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for [a]his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

And what is the "standard" that determines if a deed is "good or bad" according to the actual Bible??

1 john 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Romans 4 "Where there is no LAW neither is there violation"

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandmets of God"

Rom 2:13 "It is not the hearers of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all"

Matt 7 "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who DOES the will of my Father"

Obedience to the Word of God is one of the signs - one of the fruits of those who are already saved. 1John 5:1-4

Rev 14:12 the "Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[MoreCoffee]

Here is a relevant youtube video clip. It is a seventh day adventist preacher presenting the "investigative judgement"

1844 - 2300 day prophecy - Investigative Judgment - Part 1 - YouTube

Pay close attention to what he says about sins and judgement at position 3:10 and onwards.

 

[BobRyan]

I like that guy - good video - but he is not infallible

Scripture is though --

2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for [a]his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

And what is the "standard" that determines if a deed is "good or bad" according to the actual Bible??

1 john 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Romans 4 "Where there is no LAW neither is there violation"

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandmets of God"

Rom 2:13 "It is not the hearers of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all"

Matt 7 "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who DOES the will of my Father"

Obedience to the Word of God is one of the signs - one of the fruits of those who are already saved. 1John 5:1-4

Rev 14:12 the "Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

And of course I would urge paying close attention to

2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for [a]his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

And Romans 8:5-8 regarding the saints who walk by the Spirit - keeping the Law of God - as we saw in Rev 14:12 as well.

 

[BobRyan]

Going along with that video and with 2Cor 5:10 we have Romans 2 --

6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,

10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,

15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,

16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.


2Cor 5:10 for we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ

 

[MoreCoffee]

I like that guy - good video - but he is not infallible
...

Do you disagree with what he said from three minutes ten seconds into the video?

 

[BobRyan]

Do you disagree with what he said from three minutes ten seconds into the video?

quote please. (hopefully on topic)

 

[BobRyan]

Do you agree that the moral law of God binding on all saints in the NT is the "decalogue" or is your church in error on that point?

Originally Posted by BobRyan

The RCC specifically addresses the question of whether the TEN Commandments have been abolished.

[FONT=&quot]2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29
[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.[/FONT]
​

 

[listed]

Do you agree that the moral law of God binding on all saints in the NT is the "decalogue" or is your church in error on that point?

I am sure you are addressing MC here but allow my response of NO!! to the question without regard to a church.

 

[NannaNae]

Jhn 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Jhn 8:19
Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.


Isa 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isa 2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
( who is the WORD? the same the word that became flesh and dwelt among us )
Isa 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isa 2:5
¶
O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.


Doesn't Jesus say he is the Light of the world when standing the temple.. he is not only saying that he is saying he is the author of LIGHT ( Gen 1)
thus he is the law that brings healing to the nations.

but christians today think they have having healing with out the law and with out a God of the law.

did you all know Jesus name means in greek
Yehovah Yeshua or God with us .
Jesus is Jehovah and always was and always will be the only Jehovah that man has every dealt with.. and that is why he mocked the Pharisee who claimed to know the God of Abraham and they didn't recognize who Jesus was .
Jehovah is the only God mankind has ever
" seen" or dealt with . so he mocked them and laughed at them.
and all mankind has only wanted to ignore him and his laws.

well there is no healing now or in the future unless we first embrace Him as Jehovah who came as our salvation ! the only God man has every dealt with !! and Jehovah's laws ( not men's statutes they have attached to his laws to be able to dance around the laws ) but his laws bring us to his salvation and to our redeemer .

the same Laws that he wrote on stone because it seems they didn't want those then or NOW to written into their hard hearts.. those Laws are mandates for a lasting relationship with the God of creation.
so to have a relationship with The God of creation isn't worth observing laws that say don't kill, do not lust , don't do your neighbors wife and want to do her.. . really that stuff is too hard to do really ?

Then when he Gets TO ZION>... THE LAW will Go out from Zion and that Law will heal the nations. and only in those laws do we find his true healing to the curse that seeks to destroy us .
by his spirit he will set us free from our slavery to sin , and in healing will we find freedom from our sins but we must be willing to be slaves to him and his Spirit until he has healed us and calls us his sons and daughters until then we are slaves...
and then someday his brothers and sisters .
someday when we no long need a tutor . someday when he won't need special glasses or special rubber gloves to deal with us.
now won't that be a great day!!!

verses to look up.
Is 2: 3-4 jesus is the law and always was. he never changed anything. he4 has always been the law.. he just wanted to do it on our hearts and not on stone. so instead he sits on the nations then when he has a captive audience.

Is 54:5 - 8
He 11 :24-27 this one says it was Jesus who met with Moses on the mountain.it seems no one liked him then either .
John 5 :39
John 6:46
John 8:58
Col 1
1 John 1
Rev 1


the only God man has ever dealt with is only Jehovah. and Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus is God with us.. the same 'I am' who gave us his law. The author of light and of all creation that only came into being because of Laws. the breath of all light and life . the one who spits in the dirt created mud and then created eye balls just like he did the first 6th day.
you can't separate Jesus from his laws, that is just every kind of wrong. and proves that to many just don't know who he is . and if you have NOT been dealing with him but an image you have created of him .. how can he know you ?
and if think you can know him with out his laws ., you won't like his kingdom and you will hate 'heaven' even more than that !


but can you get saved and raised for the 1000 years and hate his law ?
gee well maybe , but is that is why it says this ?

Isa 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

 

[BobRyan]

Amen!

And of course Romans 2:13-16 agrees with your texts above 100%

 

[MoreCoffee]

quote please. (hopefully on topic)

Watch please.

 

[BobRyan]

Watch please.

Did you see the 5min: 15 second point? I found it interesting as well.

Feel free to quote whatever you are interested in .

 

[BobRyan]

I have no idea where you get this. It is not Scripture. Jesus is not the Creator. Blasphemy you say. Read Rev 4 and 5 and tell me Who it is that sits on the throne and Who is it that receives the Book. Who does John say is the Creator. It simply is impossible for it to be Jesus. .

Jesus is the Creator.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men

Col 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him

 

[MoreCoffee]

All ten of the ten commandments are given specifically to Israel, not to Egypt, not to Greece, or Italy, or the USA.

• I am Yahweh your God who brought you out of Egypt, out of the place of slave-labour. You will have no gods other than me. You must not make yourselves any image or any likeness of anything in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth; you must not bow down to these gods or serve them. For I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God and I punish the parents fault in the children, the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren, among those who hate me; but I show faithful love to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments.
• You must not misuse the name of Yahweh your God, for Yahweh will not leave unpunished anyone who uses his name for what is false.
• Observe the Sabbath day and keep it holy, as Yahweh your God has commanded you. Labour for six days, doing all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath for Yahweh your God. You must not do any work that day, neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your servants -- male or female -- nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your animals, nor the foreigner who has made his home with you; so that your servants, male and female, may rest, as you do. Remember that you were once a slave in Egypt, and that Yahweh your God brought you out of there with mighty hand and outstretched arm; this is why Yahweh your God has commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
• Honour your father and your mother, as Yahweh your God has commanded you, so that you may have long life and may prosper in the country which Yahweh your God is giving you.
• You must not kill.
• You must not commit adultery.
• You must not steal.
• You must not give false evidence against your fellow.
• You must not set your heart on your neighbour's spouse.
• You must not set your heart on your neighbour's house, or field, or servant-man or woman -- or ox, or donkey or any of your neighbour's possessions.

 

[Elder 111]

All ten of the ten commandments are given specifically to Israel, not to Egypt, not to Greece, or Italy, or the USA.

• I am Yahweh your God who brought you out of Egypt, out of the place of slave-labour. You will have no gods other than me. You must not make yourselves any image or any likeness of anything in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth; you must not bow down to these gods or serve them. For I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God and I punish the parents fault in the children, the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren, among those who hate me; but I show faithful love to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments.
• You must not misuse the name of Yahweh your God, for Yahweh will not leave unpunished anyone who uses his name for what is false.
• Observe the Sabbath day and keep it holy, as Yahweh your God has commanded you. Labour for six days, doing all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath for Yahweh your God. You must not do any work that day, neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your servants -- male or female -- nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your animals, nor the foreigner who has made his home with you; so that your servants, male and female, may rest, as you do. Remember that you were once a slave in Egypt, and that Yahweh your God brought you out of there with mighty hand and outstretched arm; this is why Yahweh your God has commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
• Honour your father and your mother, as Yahweh your God has commanded you, so that you may have long life and may prosper in the country which Yahweh your God is giving you.
• You must not kill.
• You must not commit adultery.
• You must not steal.
• You must not give false evidence against your fellow.
• You must not set your heart on your neighbour's spouse.
• You must not set your heart on your neighbour's house, or field, or servant-man or woman -- or ox, or donkey or any of your neighbour's possessions.

So I can not be a sinner/violator of the law if I steal, lie or covet?

 

[BobRyan]

All ten of the ten commandments are given specifically to Israel, not to Egypt, not to Greece, or Italy, or the USA.

The RCC specifically addresses the question of whether the TEN Commandments have been abolished or do not apply to anyone but Jews.

[FONT=&quot]2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29
[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.[/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

All ten of the ten commandments are given specifically to Israel, not to Egypt, not to Greece, or Italy, or the USA.

The Bible says the TEN Commmandments are the Word of God for us all

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Note that in 1John 5 - John contrasts "LOVE", to the Commandments of God. He does not say "By this we know that we Love God -- if we Love God".


John points to obedience to the WORD of God "the Commandments of God" as the sign that we truly to LOVE God. Being at war against his Word is not such a great sign of "loving God" as some had perhaps imagined.

1 John 5
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:1-3

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Paul affirms the Ten Commandments (see point 5 below) AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.

1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes from Moses and the TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment
6. Paul DOES teach that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
7. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
8. Paul does tell gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
9. Paul DOES ask that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
10. Paul DOES tell gentiles that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
11. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
12. Paul DOES tell gentiles that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16

 

[BobRyan]

All ten of the ten commandments are given specifically to Israel, not to Egypt, not to Greece, or Italy, or the USA.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith" - C.H. Spurgeon - admit that the Ten Commandments apply to all of us today.

[FONT=&quot]CH Spurgeon[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the Baptist Confession of Faith .

Section 19
. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

• The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

​

 

[BobRyan]

All ten of the ten commandments are given specifically to Israel, not to Egypt, not to Greece, or Italy, or the USA.

D.L. Moody taught that the Ten Commandments apply to all the saints today. Even the Sabbath Commandment.

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

I would add quotes from The Westminster Confession of Faith , R.C.
Sproul, Matthew Henry, Thomas Watson, ... but at this point the most casual reader can see the point.

The idea that anyone reading the Bible or these statements of faith by Catholic, Protestant, Calvinist groups still be confused on the point that the TEN Commandments are the moral law of God written on the heart under the NEW Covenant -- is difficult to justify.