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Carey

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War is always an ugly fact of life that yes even Christians must face.

What should christians think about this currnt news??

President Bush has possibly found a better way to protect Christians from Islam and pay for the war in Iraq.

But the democrats don't want success from the great President.


According to senators who attended the meeting Monday with the president, a promise to send more troops to Iraq would be conditioned on criteria met by the Iraqi government, such as reaching political deals on sharing the nation's oil resources and dispatching more of its own troops to Baghdad.

Bush told the senators that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki suggested the plan when the two met in late November in Amman, Jordan. The senators said the president expressed confidence that the Iraqi government could meet certain milestones in exchange for additional U.S. support

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
 

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President Bush has possibly found a better way to protect Christians from Islam and pay for the war in Iraq.

I don't believe Bush is protecting christian interests by killing iraqis. Bush sent two thousand "christian" soldiers ( i say " christians as i am using the view that america is the greatest nation and is christian).
War doesn't bring peace it brings even more destruction, as iraq shows. Bush is just sending more troops to the slaughter.

Im gonna get flamed as im a small socialist boy surrounded by american republicans.
 
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He has done nothing to protect the Christians of Iraq, who enjoyed a certain amount of freedom pre- invasion.

He has not asked Saudi Arabia to ease it's punishment of Christians.

He has equated Islam with Christianity.

He used evangelicals to win the vote in '04 on the gay marriage issue, then turned around less than a year later and said he thought it should be a states' rights matter.

I'm in no way questioning his faith, as that's between him and God. But the fruits of his labors are lacking.
 
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I don't believe Bush is protecting christian interests by killing iraqis. Bush sent two thousand "christian" soldiers ( i say " christians as i am using the view that america is the greatest nation and is christian).
War doesn't bring peace it brings even more destruction, as iraq shows. Bush is just sending more troops to the slaughter.

Im gonna get flamed as im a small socialist boy surrounded by american republicans.

god bless you little bro.

I have a questin for you.

Did the world war end when The Usa got involved in the war inworld war 2??

Did the Japanese surrneder and quit fighting after the Usa used nuclear bombs on them??

Is Japan today an ally of the USA??

I am proud of you to be so thoughtful beond your years.

God bless
you

Carey
 
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how did the vietnam and korean wars end?

you're assuming that it was necessary for us to invade iraq, which it wasn't, and this war is not against islam.


Countries Involved in WW1


Australia
Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
France
Germany
Great Britain
Greece
India
Iraq
Italy
Japan
Montenegro
New Zealand
Poland
Portugal
Rhodesia
Romania
Russia
Serbia
South Africa
Turkey United States

Countries Involved in WW2

Albania, Algeria
Australia
Austria, Belgium, Borneo
Bulgaria
Burma, Canada, Ceylon
Chile, China
Congo, Cuba
Czechoslovakia
Denmark, Egypt
Eritrea, Ethiopia
Finland, France
Germany, Gibraltar
Great Britain
Greece, Grenada
Gilbert Islands
Hong Kong, Hungary, India
Iraq, Israel
Italy
Japan, Korea, Malaya
Malta, Marshall Islands
Morocco, Netherlands
New Guinea, New Zealand
Nicaragua, Norway
Pakistan, Palestine
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Sicily, Singapore
Solomon Islands
Somalia, South Africa
Soviet Union, Spain
Sweden, Switzerland
Syria, Thailand, Tunisia
Turkey
United States
Vietnam, Yugoslavia



Countries Involved in WW3
So far, including suggested benefit:

Afghanistan
Albania: hopes to join NATO.
Australia: reinforcing ties with US.
Bahrain: cementing security ties with US.
Bulgaria: pending NATO membership.
Croatia: hopes to join NATO.
Czech Republic: reinforcing ties with US.
Denmark: reinforcing ties with US and NATO.
Egypt: extra US aid.
Estonia: pending NATO membership.
Great Britain: No immediate benefit, but part of a long running doctrine that the interests of the UK are best served by maintaining a 'special relationship' with the US.
Hungary: strengthening ties with US.
Iraq: Invaded by US forces on March 20, 2003
Iran: Rumors of US invasion throughout 2006.
Israel: Supports the US in most diplomatic affairs
Italy: strengthening ties with US.
Jordan: military and economic aid.
Kuwait: strengthening security ties with US.
Latvia: pending NATO membership.
Lithuania: pending NATO membership.
Macedonia: hopes to join NATO.
Norway
NATO
Oman: regional security.
Pakistan
Philippines
Poland: Will Poland's president be NATO's next Secretary-General?
Portugal: strengthening ties with US.
Qatar: strengthening ties with US.
Romania: strengthening ties with US.
Saudi Arabia: strengthening ties between Saudi security forces and the US.
Slovenia: pending NATO membership.
Slovakia: pending NATO membership.
Spain: strengthening ties with US.
South Korea
Turkey: position has never been clear, and £9.4bn in aid now in doubt.
United Arab Emirates: regional security
United States: leading the fight against 'axis of evil'

Source: Guardian Unlimited
Countries critical of Iraq War:

Canada, France, Germany, Russia (were all banned from bidding for reconstruction programs in Iraq), Chile, New Zealand, Syria.
Apparent Enemies:
Taliban, Ba'athist Iraq, Ba'ath Loyalists, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Waziristan tribesmen, Iraqi insurgency, Jemaah Islamiyah, Abu Sayyaf, Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat​


Commonly Believed Cause of WW1
[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]Strong feelings of nationalism throughout Europe prior to The Great War created an atmosphere in Europe which made war a likelihood. The spark which ignited the flame and transformed these underlying problems into a frenzy of hostilities happened on June 28, 1914, when Archduke Francis Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated by a Serbian student, Gavrilo Princip, while visiting Sarajevo, Bosnia. Many historians consider this to be the spark that started WW1.

Austro-Hungary presented an ultimatum of thirty demands to Serbia and 48 hours were allotted for their answering. Serbia agreed to all but one: Austrian investigation of the assassination plot.

As a result, Austro-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Germany declared war on Russia (who had allied with Serbia). Two days later, Germany declared war on France and swept its armies through Belgium, violating its neutrality. Because of this, Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland) declared war on Germany. Austro-Hungary declared war on England. And thus started WWI.
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Commonly Believed Cause of WW2
Three years of mounting international tension - encompassing the Spanish Civil War, the Anschluss (union) of Germany and Austria, Hitler's occupation of the Sudetenland and the invasion of Czechoslovakia - provided the setting for a likely world war.

In March,1939, Hitler demanded that Poland allow Germany to annex the Nazi-dominated free city of Danzig, and that Germany be given control over a 25-mile wide strip of land between Germany and East Germany, created by the Versailles Treaty to give Poland access to the Baltic Sea. Attempts by the Allies to persuade Hitler to negotiate with the Poles were unsuccessful. After signing the Nazi-Soviet Pact, which safeguarded his eastern border, Hitler sent his air and land forces into Poland on September 1, 1939. Warsaw and other Polish cities were bombed.

Britain and France declared war on Germany (September 3) when Germany ignored their demands to cease its attack and withdraw.

Commonly Believed Cause of WW3

In his State of the Union address and other speeches, President Bush attempted to articulate the reasons for going to war with Iraq and ousting Saddam Hussein. Essentially the three main objectives: (1) to eliminate Saddam's weapons of mass destruction (WMD); (2) to diminish the threat of international terrorism; and (3) to promote democracy in Iraq and surrounding areas.

However, many believed the war was the administration's goal of preventing OPEC's use of the Euro as an oil transaction currency standard. In order to pre-empt OPEC, the US needed to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves.
Many claimed the war was illegal (didn't obtain UN sanction) and still others state the war was about gaining control of valuable Iraqi oil resources.
The Real Cause of WW1

According to Albert Pike, the First World War was designed to enable the Czarist Government in Russia to be finally and completely overthrown and replaced with a new atheist, Communist government.

History records that this First World War did indeed occur as predicted. The Western powers in Europe, in conjunction with the United States, financed Lenin's expedition into Russia, and financed his government consistently. The US has financed Russian Communism at least once per decade since then.

A little closer to home:
In 1909, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was tasked to answer the following question posed by the US government: "If it is desirable to alter the lives of an entire nation, is there any means more efficient than war?" After a year of research, the answer came back: "There are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective is altering the life of an entire nation."

And for what reason would anyone want to alter the lives of an entire nation?

Historian Walter Mills wrote the following about the purpose of the war and about Colonel House's basic intent: "The Colonel's sole justification for preparing such a batch of blood for his countrymen was his hope of establishing a new world order, [a world government] of peace and security...."
The Real Cause of WW2

The Second World War was foreseen to originate between Great Britain and Germany. However, one of the planned results of this war was to strengthen the new Communist Russian government, so that it could weaken and destroy other governments and religions.

History again records that the Second World War did indeed accomplish this objective. The war started when Germany invaded Poland, causing Great Britain to declare war on Germany. Very soon, the troika (3's) of powers were set up to wage this war. Germany, Italy and Japan vs. Great Britain, United States and Russia.

The Pike vision of the Second World War building Russian Communism into a super power was fulfilled to a startling degree. Historians have always been mystified as to how Churchill and Roosevelt could have given away all of Eastern Europe to the Soviets, when the preponderance of power was clearly against the Soviets. Clearly, when Roosevelt and Churchill ceded all of Eastern Europe to Russia, the Communist Government of Russia, completed its transition to a super power, exactly as Pike's vision had foretold.



The Real Cause of WW3

The Third World War was foreseen to be between Zionism and Islam. This prediction is incredible in many ways, beginning with the understanding that this prediction of a third world war occurred in 1870, a time when Israel did not exist as a nation, and when no one believed it would ever exist again.

The vision predicted that out of the smoke and destruction of this World War, a new leader will stride triumphantly, to put an end to the War, and to finally give the embattled world "Peace and Safety".
Interestingly, to back up this prediction, a report was released in December 1996 by The U.S. House of Representatives' Task Force On Terrorism And Unconventional Warfare. It was entitled, 'Approaching the New Cycle of Arab-Israeli Fighting'. In brief, the report tells us that such nations as Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, and Egypt are planning and building for a final, devastating war of annihilation against Israel. This includes acquiring nuclear, biological and chemical weapons (NBC) in a mix with conventional weapons, e.g. tanks, aircraft, and soldiers, all in massive, overwhelming numbers." [P. 43]


WW1 Ended
11:00 November 11, 1918
WW2 Ended
September 2, 1945
WW3 Ended

Only time will tell...
Duration of WW1
4 years, 3 months and 14 days
Duration of WW2
6 years and 1 day
Duration of WW3

Only time will tell...
Casualties in WW1
Germany1,800,000Soviet Union1,700,000France1,385,000Austria1,200,000Great Britain947,000Japan800,000Romania750,000Serbia708,000Italy460,000Turkey325,000Belgium267,000Greece230,000USA137,000Portugal100,000Canada69,000Bulgaria88,000Montenegro50,000TOTAL11,016,000​


Casualties in WW2
Soviet Union25,568,000China11,324,000Germany7,060,000Poland6,850,000Japan1,806,000Yugoslavia1,700,000Rumania985,000France810,000Greece520,000USA495,000Austria480,000Italy410,000Great Britain388,000Holland250,000Belgium85,000Finland79,000Canada42,000India36,000Australia29,000Albania28,000Spain22,000Bulgaria21,000New Zealand12,000Norway10,000South Africa9,000Luxembourg5,000Denmark4,000TOTAL59,028,000​


Casualties in WW3
If the World Trade Center attack on September 11 2001 is considered the trigger required to start World War 3, a total of 3,000 should be added to the figures below.

Source: www.september11victims.com


The death count (of mainly Iraqi civilians) so far, updated daily.

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Source: www.iraqbodycount.org. Get the latest allied fatality count since the invasion of Baghdad here (2,692 as of September 21, 2006).

 
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what is your point. please post your own words, not somebody elses.

My question do the readers of these facts have the feeling that the countries involved in the previous 2 world wars . Are now part of this 3rd world war that Iraq Afghanistan, Somalia, and other parts of the world are
the players in only the birth pains or the Actual futrue battle of Armageddon??

Or do you have a completely differing theological view of these historical facts and current world events??

My point of quoting you was that yes this WW 3 is war against Islam and may grow to include others for other reasons.

ISLAMIC CIVILIZATION?What an oxymoron! Since when IS barbarism called civilization?
Islam is an anti-civilization cult par excellence. It destroyed every civilization it touched
and brought misery, poverty, ignorance and war in every country that it invaded!

FACT:
90%-95% OF ALL THE CONFLICTS ON THIS PLANET TODAY
INVOLVE MUSLIMS FIGHTING NON-MUSLIMS OR EACH OTHER!
There are many trouble spots around the world, but as a general rule, it's easy to make an educated guess at one of the participants: Muslims vs. Jews in "Palestine," Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, Muslims vs. Christians in Africa, Muslims vs. Buddhists in Thailand, Muslims vs. Russians in the Caucasus, etc...
ISLAM: "Religion of Peace?"
FACT
 
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War is always an ugly fact of life that yes even Christians must face.

What should christians think about this currnt news??

President Bush has possibly found a better way to protect Christians from Islam and pay for the war in Iraq.

But the demoncrats don't want success from the great President.


According to senators who attended the meeting Monday with the president, a promise to send more troops to Iraq would be conditioned on criteria met by the Iraqi government, such as reaching political deals on sharing the nation's oil resources and dispatching more of its own troops to Baghdad.

Bush told the senators that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki suggested the plan when the two met in late November in Amman, Jordan. The senators said the president expressed confidence that the Iraqi government could meet certain milestones in exchange for additional U.S. support

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
If you're going to post, it would be nice if you could keep your political prejudices to yourself and not burden us with them. I'm talking about using "demoncrats" instead of "democrats". I feel strongly about certain political issues too, but you don't see me allowing stuff like "demoncrats" to creep into my posts.

Besides, weren't you already busted for this at least once? Discussion I don't mind. Name-calling I do mind. C'mon. Let's not that this so seriously that we'd stoop to that level.
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If you're going to post, it would be nice if you could keep your political prejudices to yourself and not burden us with them. I'm talking about using "demoncrats" instead of "democrats". I feel strongly about certain political issues too, but you don't see me allowing stuff like "demoncrats" to creep into my posts.

Besides, weren't you already busted for this at least once? Discussion I don't mind. Name-calling I do mind. C'mon. Let's not that this so seriously that we'd stoop to that level.
Ringo


Sorry its automatic.

Freudian slip I will go find it and edit it.

God bless,
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I am proud of you to be so thoughtful beond your years.

I call it more being in context.
The war in iraq is not comparable to world war 2.

The Iraq war was unprovoqued.
Please no 9/11 stuff, i can thing of better ways of dealing with terrorism than destroying a country's infrastructure, killing civilians and all the other sick things that go with war...
Since when IS barbarism called civilization?
i find that insulting frankly.
Back in the middle ages the arab world was much more advanced in matters of medecine, mathematiques astronomie and other scientific fields than there european counter parts.

Did the world war end when The Usa got involved in the war inworld war 2??
yes, i dont see why the usa's relative success in one war justifies an other

Did the Japanese surrneder and quit fighting after the Usa used nuclear bombs on them??
yes, they were left with two wiped out cities and birth defects on future generations who hadnt even been living in the war. The bomb is obscene and gross.
Did Iraq surrender after the us invaded them?

Is Japan today an ally of the USA??

yes. Is vietnam an ally to the us today?


You are using precise examples of when the us was successful; we need to look at history as a whole.

a war 60 years ago doesn't mean a war today is justifiable.
 
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I call it more being in context.
The war in iraq is not comparable to world war 2.

The Iraq war was unprovoqued.
Please no 9/11 stuff, i can thing of better ways of dealing with terrorism than destroying a country's infrastructure, killing civilians and all the other sick things that go with war...

i find that insulting frankly.
Back in the middle ages the arab world was much more advanced in matters of medecine, mathematiques astronomie and other scientific fields than there european counter parts.


yes, i dont see why the usa's relative success in one war justifies an other


yes, they were left with two wiped out cities and birth defects on future generations who hadnt even been living in the war. The bomb is obscene and gross.
Did Iraq surrender after the us invaded them?



yes. Is vietnam an ally to the us today?


You are using precise examples of when the us was successful; we need to look at history as a whole.

a war 60 years ago doesn't mean a war today is justifiable.

I see you have the french flag on your post.

What has Islam done in france??

The war in Iraq was and is necessary but it is only 1 front in a world wide warwith many fronts and there will be more.

The USA was like many countries in this 3rd world war.

We in the second world war wanted to stay out of it.
We should have helped sooner. But we made up for waiting in the end of ww 2 by making the final blows to the enemy.

Yes Iraq surrendered. Iraq now has a new Government we are assissting since our conquest of the former Saddam Iraqi regime. We assisted France as well when the Nazis conquered France and helped free france.
 
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Sorry its automatic.

Freudian slip I will go find it and edit it.

God bless,
Carey
Well... thanks. And thanks for being reasonable. It was a pleasant surprise.
Ringo
 
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