Cherokee Indian - Lost Tribes

[aniello]

Copied same rebuttal as before, from post #14.

Hair, teeth and eye retinas, still same differences.

2nd October 2013, 03:35 PM
dodari

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Originally Posted by ContraMundum

How come they never followed Torah? Didn't write? Don't know Hebrew? Can't grow beards? No Teffilin, Mezuzot, no evidence of any connection with Jews at all.

Perhaps there is a later intermarriage after the Euro migration.
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Originally Posted by ChavaK

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Originally Posted by Shimshon

Exactly. If people would learn their American History (if it hasn't been revised right out of the books) Columbus was traveling at the same time as the spanish inquisition, which led to scores of sephardic Jews taking ships to the new world. I am of this heritage myself, on my mothers side. A Taino Jew, because my Jewish ancestors from Spain came to Puerto Rico and married Taino natives.

Many of these sephardi traveled as far as the Rio Grande, and were/are known as crypto-Jews. For hiding their Jewish roots.

But the whole pre-american visits from the tribes of Israel, probably not.....

BTW, the Cherokee nation is one of the most interbreed tribes of the americas. They were almost interbread out of existence, so they were offered land in the SE. Then everyone with a drop of Cherokee was trying to get something. In america being part Cherokee is like being part Irish, or Italian....your bound to find one in 5 (persay) that have the blood.
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all 3 of y'all.

Real Cherokee have teeth like mine, hair like mine and even a characteristic in the retina of the eye like mine. None of these traits are shared except by folks in Mongolia, some Chinese and Japanese, but not Jewish people. Our native blood type is predominantly O+(79%).

Yo vivo aqui in Nuevo Mejico, al lado de El Rio Bravo del Norte(Rio Grande) con mi familia Indios y mi familia S'phardi(Anusim-conversos-crypto). Hay muchas de la gente aqui.

Whatever happened to Genesis 10:25, it makes sense to me.

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[visionary]

» Are Native Americans Part Of The Lost Tribes

Geneticists at an Israeli hospital said they have found a unique Jewish genetic mutation among an American Indian tribe, indicating that they are descendants of Jews expelled from Spain 600 years ago, local Haaretz daily reported on Wednesday.
The findings of the study, conducted at the Sheba Medical Center near Tel Aviv, show that a group of Indians from the State of Colorado bear the so-called “Ashkenazi mutation,” on the BRCA1 gene – a marker unique to European Jews.
Those “secret Jews,” or “Anusim” in Hebrew were believed to be descendants of a Jewish man who left Europe and settled in south America about 600 years ago – likely among the hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled by Spain in 1492, and possibly among those who sailed with Christopher Columbus, according to the report, which appears in the European Journal of Human Genetics.

 

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[Rachel Rachel]

I dearly love Native American culture and was caught up in the post-Dances With Wolves fad where everyone had a Cherokee Princess grandmother and I posted in the AOL Native American chat rooms. (Actually, I really am part Cherokee but no princess ancestor that I know of.)
I've read every Tony Hillerman book ever written in the Leaphorn and Chee series.
The whole Native American mystique is beautiful and kind of addictive to certain people like me.

I lived in Arizona for years and dated a couple of Native American men.
One was a Navajo born and raised on the reservation. He told me that his ancestors were snakes that came up out of the middle of the earth. He said his mom could talk to snakes and had "talked" rattlers out of their Hogan. He wasn't allowed to wear snakeskin boots because it would be disrespectful to his ancestors.

I also dated a Hopi man from Second Mesa on the Hopi reservation. He was of the "Snake Clan" and participated in the Snake Dance, which I assure you, is a very demonic practice. The Kokopelli Kachina is demonic, and was a really popular adornment on everything for a while.

The reason I'm saying all this is not to be racist or prejudiced against Natives, because as I said, I love them, but I think it's a mistake to fall into a trap of believing all tribes might have Hebrew roots. Most are truly pagan in origin.
I do believe it's very possible that there are certain tribes or bands that may be of Hebrew origin, though.

 

[cherokeehippie]

http://youtu.be/mO4c61CD-6gIt's not the best but here I am a few yrs ago playing Yerushalayim Shel Zahav on my Native American flute!
Yerushalayim Shel Zahav on Native American flute! - YouTube

 

[cherokeehippie]

Drumming to Jewish song! I want Moshiach now! Yeshua! Of course! I Want Moshiach! Native American style! - YouTube

 

[cherokeehippie]

Rainsong! Native style worship to Yeshua!
Restoring Ancient Gates - YouTube

 

[Hoshiyya]

I know this one Messianic "prophet" who believes almost all gentiles are "Israelites" and that the Jews are all gentile impostors . . . further the "good" things about Jews/Bible are simply those things which remind him of gentile customs; all the "bad" things about the Jews/Bible are all those which happen to be distinctly Jewish.

Personally I like many and love many gentile nations / customs / ways, but my like or love of these has nothing to do with identifying them as descendants of the lost tribes. In fact the gentile predilection for finding lost tribes is strongly connected with historical revisionism and anti-Jewish tendencies. Hitler allegedly believed or appealed in propaganda to the belief that the Jews are actually the descendants of Mongols/Huns that rode into Europe. Removing the Jews from their historical descent and / or applying Israelite descent to gentiles can be and often is a way of de-legitimizing historical Judaism and Jews and therefore God's covenant.

It is not a surprise that the tendency toward gentilism, ie. re-imagining a less Jewish or non-Jewish version of Israel, defined by gentile customs and so on, is so strong among the gentilistic and anti-Rabbinic segments of the "Messianic movement". Of course the Israelites are/were Cherokee or Lipan or Navajo or Eskimo; it frees you from the burdens of history and tradition and lets you into a realm of pure imagination and personal speculation. Of course the Israelites are/were Native Americans or Celts or Africans; it frees you from having to deal with the reality of the actual Covenant-people and their history and their traditions. Actuality is like stone, but imagination is like clay or playdough; clearly fiction is or can be easier to deal with, more fun to play with, than stone.

 

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[visionary]

This might add something to the idea that a group of Jews did make it to North America and lived off the land.

2ND ESDRAS 13:40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Howshea (Osea) the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land. 41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,...45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.

“Arsareth,” means “New Found Land.”

The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory has recently shocked the world by claiming their ancient Oral legends tell of a Cherokee migration made to America from the area known as Masada!

The story has been kept alive among our Cherokee people that the Sicarii who escaped from Masada, are some of our ancestors who managed to cross the water to this land, and later became known as Cherokees! (Please note the phonetic resemblance of Si'cari'i and, Cherokee or Tsa’ra-gi’.)

Deut 28:64 God shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of earth even unto the other.

How many interpret this to mean everywhere but America?

 

[Meowzltov]

I read that this rumor was investigated and it was found by DNA sampling to be completely false. The only thing unusual about Cherokee DNA was that it seemed to have a large amount of European DNA, even with those who were "pureblooded." But nothing Jewish.

 

[visionary]

Scientists have labeled the Cherokees not as Native Americans, but as a Middle Eastern-North African population. Cherokees have high levels of test markers associated with the Berbers, native Egyptians, Turks, Lebanese, Hebrews and Mesopotamians. Genetically, they are more Jewish than the typical American Jew of European ancestry. So-called “full-blooded” Cherokees have high levels of European DNA and a trace of Asiatic (Native American) DNA. Their skin color and facial features are primarily Semitic in origin, not Native American. Read the reports at:

Anomalous Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in the Cherokee

 

[visionary]

You might like this website.. DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East - National Native American History | Examiner.com

 

[AbbaLove]

Of the five civilized tribes the Cherokee seemed to have no problem adapting to farming. They even had slaves. The thinking being when in Georgia follow the customs of Georgia. However, they treated their indentured servants like family with intermarriage not uncommon. The offspring were referred to as "Maroons" by their white neighbors.

One of many recorded stories goes that one of the neighboring white land owners was adamant that they needed to occasionally whip a slave or two to keep them in line. This white neighbor on horseback was about to whip one of their slaves as a demonstration. The Cherokee man standing nearby pulled the whip out of his hand and would have no part of it.

If you ever get an opportunity to visit the Park Service Museum in northern Georgia (Echota) there is a very interesting display of the development of the Cherokee alphabet and printed examples like their own Cherokee Newspaper printed in their alphabet. Alot of interesting info like intermarriage with their slaves and stories like one about not whipping their servants. In Georgia the Park Service prefers saying "indentured servants" instead of "slaves." The Cherokee tribe had the most members who held black slaves, more than any other Native American nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Indians_in_the_United_States
New Echota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sequoyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some fifty years ago when in Gatlinburg, TN decided to have my picture taken standing beside a tall, handsome Cherokee all decked out with buckskins, head dress, moccasins, beaded shirt, etc ~ a very colorful Kodachrome photo. Back then most people were very cautious if not afraid of Indians. But glad i got up the nerve to approach him. The only thing was you had to part with a $1 greenback to have the priviledge of capturing a picture perfect Kodak moment. He had chosen an ideal location in the middle of Gatlinburg. In hindsite now it's not a stretch to think he could have inherited a little of that Jewish entrepreneurial spirit.
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Norma Smallwood ~ Cherokee descent, Miss America, 1926
Born and raised in Tulsa, Oklahoma. During her year-long reign, Smallwood became a popular poster girl, and reportedly earned more than $100,000, which, according to pbs.org, was more than Babe Ruth made that year.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...-america-and-first-native-miss-america-151343

Carole Anne-Marie Gist ~ Cherokee/African American, Miss USA, 1990
Gist, the daughter of Joan Gist and David Turner, is of African American and Cherokee heritage. Gist claimed that money was always scarce in her family and that poverty prevented her from taking dance lessons or learning the piano and violin. Her story contrasted sharply with the middle class backgrounds of most of her competition and of previous Miss USA crown holders. She was the first of color to win Miss USA and was the tallest at 5'11." She has co-hosted a show on the WORD gospel network. She works for a Detroit area construction company and is a fitness trainer at Wayne State University.
http://www.blackpast.org/aah/gist-carole-ann-marie-1969
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss284/Dreamincolor09/Black_top_4_CAROLE_GIST_STRAMLER1.jpg

 

[rockytopva]

Cherokee North Carolina is one of my favorite places to visit! Somewhere in between those ridges is Cherokee NC looking from Clingmans Dome to the North.
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[AbbaLove]

Carole Anne-Marie Gist
Miss USA 1990

daughter of David Turner and Joan Gist ~ African American-Cherokee heritage

first woman of color to win Miss USA
Gist represented USA at Miss Universe 1990
( where she finished runner-up to Norway's Mona Grudt )


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[LoricaLady]

Hi,

I was just informed that the Native American Cherokee Nation has been identified as being one of the lost tribes of Israel through DNA testing and ancient writing that they were in possession of. I found this fascinating because I have Cherokee ancestry. I am more white than Native American, but I have always felt an affinity to the Cherokee.

If someone were to find that they did have some biological link to Jews, would it be reasonable for them to learn about messianic Judaism or just stick to being a former gentile born again and converted to Christianity?

Oh how interesting about the Cherokees! My great grandmother was a Mohican Indian and I wonder if maybe her tribe, also, has any such genetic heritage.

You do not have to be Jewish, or an Israelite, to follow Torah. For example Caleb was not an Israelite, yet he is a hero of the Bible, ditto Elijah. On the other hand you can be fully Jewish and not be in good standing with the Father.

The Torah makes provision for nonIsraelites to come into Covenant with Him.

Has there ever been a different Law for gentiles and for Israelites?

Numbers 15:16 The same Law will apply both to you and to the gentiles living amongst you.

Number 9:14 The foreigner residing amongst you is also to celebrate the Passover....

Levitcus 24:22 You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native born.

"There is neither Greek nor Jew."

We are told to be grafted in, not to grow up independent. Grafted into what? The cultivated olive tree. The olive tree is the symbol of Israel.

Romans 11:24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches [i.e. the Jews], be grafted into their own olive tree!

 

[visionary]

Here is a story of how they came about knowing His name. https://quietbuck.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/kityowah-prophecy/

 

[BeStill&Know]

Here is a story of how they came about knowing His name. https://quietbuck.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/kityowah-prophecy/

This is most interesting to me. Though I am not American Indian, my ancestry are Hebrew. I have had dreams with American Indians revealing secret things to me many years ago.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Here is a story of how they came about knowing His name. https://quietbuck.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/kityowah-prophecy/

I don't understand this story. It's not logically told. It looks edited, or at least abbreviated.

Here's the opening paragraph:

In the heart of the Smokey Mountains, some 3500 years ago, Creator revealed Himself to a people. The Creator gave the people a Mother town and a new name – both were named “Keetoowah.” The town was located near present day Bryson City, North Carolina. It was from Keetoowah that the Creator revealed His true name to the people.

(Notice by the way that it says "from the Keetoowah", not "to the Keetoowah".)
Then it immediately, without any context, says:

He said His name was “Yowah” and the people would be “kit-Yowah” or “from Yowah.” Today they are known as the Cherokee.

To whom is the "Creator" speaking? Is this recorded in any text? When did it happen?
What is the significance of the "Creator" saying his name is "Yowah", seeing as this is not the Biblical Tetragrammaton ?

The article later ends abruptly:

What was Yowah’s plan for this unique people group before their tragic loss? As with all peoples, He had called them to be His people, to become “a light to the nations.” There is an ancient Cherokee prophecy that states, “The Cherokees will lead all the other tribes back to the Great Spirit.” To date, this prophecy has not come to pass…

The author of the article has at this point equated the Creator and YHWH with Yowah and and the "Great Spirit" Unetlanvhi of the polytheistic Cherokee.

Interestingly the link at the end of the article redirects to a PDF titled "Legends of the Keetoowah", not Kit-Yowah.

To be honest it looks like another unserious attempt to impute MJ to the native Americans, instead of just respecting the fact that they have their own culture.