Can You Have Salvation Without Repentance?

[disciple Clint]

Yes I've seen that in may forms as people tend to find what they want. What did Jesus say we were to change from?

We are to allow the old man to die and take on a new life in Christ.

 

[timothyu]

We are to allow the old man to die and take on a new life in Christ.

What about our attitude, our MO, is it that changes?

 

[disciple Clint]

What about our attitude, our MO, is it that changes?

Yes and often that changes to such a degree that people notice and point it out.

 

[timothyu]

Yes and often that changes to such a degree that people notice and point it out.

Do people become, not necessarily hostile, but put out because a person no longer appreciates a world built upon self interest and a life of gain at the expense of others?

 

[disciple Clint]

Do people become, not necessarily hostile, but put out because a person no longer appreciates a world built upon self interest and a life of gain at the expense of others?

I think people change out of love or because they discover that they are loved by God.

 

[timothyu]

I think people change out of love or because they discover that they are loved by God.

A good reason not to put self satisfaction ahead of others, yes.

 

[d taylor]

Videos on repentance and receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Do We Have to Repent in order to be Saved?

The Only Condition for Eternal Salvation

The Essential Element of Saving Faith

Will God Save People Who Live a Sinful Life?

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[zoidar]

Some say repentance happens after salvation. I believe repentance happens first, then salvation. Repentance as I see it is when we realize we are hopelessly lost without Jesus, and turn to God for forgiveness. Then we receive the Holy Spirit, are saved and get a relationship with Christ.

 

[Doug Brents]

Romans 10:9

Repentance is not a requirement of salvation but is required to walk with the Lord.

You cannot walk with the Lord if you have not been saved.
Acts 3:19 -
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." NKJV
"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;" NASV
We are to repent so that we can be forgiven, and so that we can receive the refreshing that comes from the Lord. Repentance does not come after we have been saved (although it must continue: we must continually turn toward God because the world continually pulls us away from Him).

 

[timothyu]

You cannot walk with the Lord if you have not been saved.

Right. Think like a man and there shall be no communication with God, for the two think in opposite ways.

 

[Veritas1]

Some say repentance happens after salvation. I believe repentance happens first, then salvation. Repentance as I see it is when we realize we are hopelessly lost without Jesus, and turn to God for forgiveness. Then we receive the Holy Spirit, are saved and get a relationship with Christ.

I wonder what you think about Paul's conversion? Paul, who as Saul witnessed and approved the stoning of Stephen (Acts 8:1), worked for the total destruction of the Church (Acts 8:3), and asked the High Priest for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, breathing threats to slaughter the Lord's disciples (Acts 9:1). There is no indication that he repented and turned to God for forgiveness before or during his journey to Damascus up to the incident that resulted in his conversion. In the three other accounts in Acts (9:3-19; 22:6-16; 26:12-18) as well as Paul's own account in Galatians (1:13-17) the unexpected and overwhelming character of the experience is stressed. It was an encounter with the Risen Lord, a turning point, an experience that turned Paul the Pharisee into Paul the Apostle. Christ asked Paul 'why are you persecuting me?' (Acts 9:4). Christ already had a relationship with Paul before Paul recognised Christ.
In his second letter to the Corinthians, Paul compared the experience to God's creation of light. 'For it is the God who said, "Let light shine out of darkness" who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God inn the face of Christ' (2Cor 4:6).
His conversion is not the fruit of his own reasoning, but the fruit of the all-powerful grace which he received. The vision of Christ engendered faith. Through zeal he had persecuted the Church (Philippians 3:6), and he obtained mercy because he had acted 'ignorantly in unbelief' (1 Timothy 1:13).
The grace of Christ which Paul received is a gratuitous gift of God's mercy made to heal, to call and to give life. God's free initiative demanded Paul's free response. In his merciful love, it is God who offers forgiveness and invites Paul, moved by grace, to repent and accept forgiveness. God wills the salvation of all, and brings to completion in us what in his mercy he has begun, in the words of St Augustine: 'since he who completes his work by co-operating with our will began by working so that we might will it''.

 

[enoob57]

What is repentance and is it necessary for salvation? | GotQuestions.org

 

[d taylor]

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So all the people (and that is quite a few) who say repentance is required to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

I ask, why is - faith,belief,trust - not enough to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

What is lacking in trusting in the Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life, why is that not enough.

I mean Jesus took away the sin of the world at cross and unbelievers are not even sent to the lake of fire because of their sins. But because they never received God's free gift of Eternal Life. Simply stated they do not have Eternal Life.

So why.

 

[enoob57]

So why.

that is answered in my post above yours...

 

[enoob57]

Do people become, not necessarily hostile, but put out because a person no longer appreciates a world built upon self interest and a life of gain at the expense of others?

Yes the glorious light of God's Word being lived out in the individual brings conviction and condemnation to those around that do not live as such...

 

[timothyu]

Yes the glorious light of God's Word being lived out in the individual brings conviction and condemnation to those around that do not live as such...

Yes serving others in their time of need as we hope we would be cared for in ours by others, should not create animosity be they friend or foe. Yet many people have a difficult time stepping outside a world built upon opposite ways few consider in their daily lives as being adversarial to the will of God.. There is the difference between world and Kingdom, between our will and God's.

 

[d taylor]

that is answered in my post above yours...

Repentance is not a change of mind. Repentance is turning from sin, of course turning from sin does include a change of mind about the sin a person is doing.

From Grace Evangelical Society:

What Is Repentance?
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The meaning of words is determined by examining their usage. Thus to determine the meaning of repentance, we need to look at the fifty-five NT uses of the words repent and repentance. Having done that, I have chosen three passages that clearly illustrate its meaning in all of its uses.

Jesus said to a Jewish audience, “The men of Ninevah will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here” (Matt 12:41).

Jesus was here rebuking the people of Israel, most of whom failed to repent even at the preaching of the Son of God! The men of Ninevah repented centuries earlier under the preaching of a much lesser prophet than Jesus. Jonah was a reluctant prophet. He didn’t want the Ninevites to repent.

What the Lord Jesus means by repentance here is evident when we look at the repentance of the Ninevites in Jonah Chapter 3. In response to Jonah’s proclamation of coming judgment, all of the people of Ninevah fasted and put on sackcloth (Jonah 3:5) and “turned from their evil way” (Jonah 3:10). The repentance of the Ninevites was not faith in Christ and it was not a necessary precursor to faith in Christ. They decided to turn from their sins because they hoped to escape the destruction of their city and the widespread loss of lives that Jonah had proclaimed (“who can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away His fierce anger, so that we may not perish?”-Jonah 3:9).

The apostle John wrote prophetically about what will happen in the coming Tribulation: “And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts” (Rev 9:21). Once again, repentance is not faith in Christ or a necessary precursor to that, but it is a decision to turn from one’s sinful ways, which the people in question did not do in spite of the terrible Tribulation judgments that they were experiencing from God.

Jesus taught the apostles about repentance when He said, “If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him” (Luke 17:4). Again, repentance here is neither faith in Christ, nor a necessary precursor to faith in Christ. It is a decision to turn from one’s sins.

All fifty-five NT references to repentance bear this out. In each case repentance is a decision to turn from one’s sins. It is never a synonym for faith in Christ or a necessary precursor to faith.

 

[timothyu]

Repentance is not a change of mind. Repentance is turning from sin, of course turning from sin does include a change of mind about the sin a person is doing.

Repentance is indeed change from the self serving ways of man (sin) to the will of God which is care for each other as we would hope to be cared for by them. We reject one for the other. Change built out of sorrow for misdeeds.

 

[d taylor]

Repentance is indeed change from the self serving ways of man (sin) to the will of God which is care for each other as we would hope to be cared for by them. We reject one for the other. Change built out of sorrow for misdeeds.

Why is repentance then directed toward sin, if it is not turning from sin or a sin.

 

[timothyu]

Why is repentance then directed toward sin, if it is not turning from sin or a sin.

Not sure I follow what you are saying