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In Islam the Holy spirit is angel Gabriel.
What sect are you from?
What school do you follow?
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In Islam the Holy spirit is angel Gabriel.
They don't say that. Only ignorant Christians say they say that.
Repeating lies you have heard - even if you sincerely believe in them - is still lying if you haven't done your outmost to find out whether they're true or not.
So atheists are better cause they ignore Jesus while Muslims are worse cause they blabber on about Him, respecting Him, but not really understanding Him at all.
This doesn't say anything about the trinity.It's the Quran that says that the trinity includes Mary, because Mohammed, when he made up his lies, had only vague notions of Christianity.
And when Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah? He will say: Glory be to Thee! it was not for me to say what I had no right to (say). If I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen.
Quran 5:116
Evidence is usually something that can't be denied easily.I presented evidence
I was only making a general statement there because you repeat a lot of misinformation you have heard from somewhere - which you can easily find is false if you read a little - and still seem to think yourself very honest.you only said that I lied.
Those weren't versions of the Qur'an. They wereExactly like they burned all the different versions of the Quran that were circulating around.
I don't think God is that prejudiced and insecure.Imagine this scenario: my uncle is a police officer who saved 10 people from a robbery in a bank. I am his beloved nephew. Who is better in my eyes? A total stranger who doesn't recognize him and doesn't even know what my uncle did, or someone who says that my uncle was a drunkard, from a different religion, who didn't save anyone in the bank etc? Pretty much stealing his identity and corrupting it in order to further their agenda.
Then why don't you zip it?I understand your point of view, but I disagree with you. Silence is better than a lie in my eyes.
This doesn't say anything about the trinity.
Evidence is usually something that can't be denied easily.
I was only making a general statement there because you repeat a lot of misinformation you have heard from somewhere - which you can easily find is false if you read a little - and still seem to think yourself very honest. Those weren't versions of the Qur'an. They were
verses of the Qur'an - and incorrectly written down. But you would like Muslims to be confused about the revelation they received for an eternity, wouldn't you?
I don't think God is that prejudiced and insecure. Then why don't you zip it?
The exact verse you quoted, and many others. So rather, where is your evidence for it? Does it mention trinity? Or does it mention three daities? Trinity in the dictionary is not just the Christian trinity - "group consisting of three closely related members." [wordnik]So even if you wanted for some reason to say that since there's three, it's a trinity, it wouldn't make it the trinity.Yes it does: God, Jesus and Mary. According to the Quran. Where is your evidence against this?
What is that? Where can I find it?Again, we have evidence of muslims burning down versions of the Quran.
They burned what they concluded, after extremely careful work in compiling the Qur'an with only the correct verses it it, to be incorrect; never uttered by the prophet. There were no computers those days, no copying machines, not even paper. Every single Qur'an that was copied took tremendous effort.Now you say it was only verses. First of all, even if it were only verses, it would still be covering up the evidence, because unlike Christians who acknowledge the history of their manuscripts, muslims just burn down what they dislike.
Where is yours for it? You're the one making the claim and you already said there is evidence.And then again, where is your evidence that it was only verses and not entire different versions of the Quran?
Certainly I don't since it has never happened but I'll look at your 'evidence' if you present it.You do know that entire chapters of the Quran are missing according to the "best reciters" according to Mohammed yes?
The exact verse you quoted, and many others. So rather, where is your evidence for it? Does it mention trinity? Or does it mention three daities? Trinity in the dictionary is not just the Christian trinity - "group consisting of three closely related members." [wordnik]So even if you wanted for some reason to say that since there's three, it's a trinity, it wouldn't make it the trinity.
What is that? Where can I find it?
They burned what they concluded, after extremely careful work in compiling the Qur'an with only the correct verses it it, to be incorrect; never uttered by the prophet. There were no computers those days, no copying machines, not even paper. Every single Qur'an that was copied took tremendous effort.
Where is yours for it? You're the one making the claim and you already said there is evidence.
Certainly I don't since it has never happened but I'll look at your 'evidence' if you present it.
In Islam the Holy spirit is angel Gabriel.
What Scripture?
I see.
In what sect or school angel Gabriel is not the Holy spirit?
Now you're making more sense.
The significance of the story is in that Zainab married Zayd, who was a former slave. It those days this was not socially acceptable. Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) made it acceptable. Then they divorced. Divorce is taken seriously in Islam. However, that it is something prohibited or something to be avoided with the expense of the well-being of either spouse is false, and that is what we also learn from this story.
I said the entire religion is predicated upon blasphemy..(I'm fairly certain I was clear).. not that all Muslims blaphemed the Holy Spirit..
The religion is built upon a blasphemy though, and the religion itself is not of God, nor anything Godly.
In your original post you said blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which is the only unforgiveable sin. If true that condemns all Muslims to hell irredeemably.
<<<<<Again, the entire religion is predicated upon blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. >>>
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Again, my evidence is in the Qur'an, even in these very verses that you refer to. They say nothing about and refer on no way to trinity. You just imagine it does because someone told you so. Also, there were Arabs at the time who did worship Mary as well.Nonsense. The word "trinity" doesn't even appear in the Bible itself. So since the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible it means that it's never talking about it? Again, nonsense.
This is where the Quran talks about Christians associating other gods to God, and it mentions Mary and Jesus, clearly getting the trinity wrong.
I presented evidence. Where is yours again?
They may have burned both but they definitely also burned verses. However, these are manuscripts written by random people. They were told to copy the Qur'an if they wish to copy it, from the original only. They disobeyed and copied from each other. Also these were people from other areas. Why would they be likely to have a copy more correct than those who of the Sahabah?Evidence that they burned entire copies of the Quran and not single verses like you said.
That's very silly. If someone writes the Bible from memory now and writes parts of it wrong and forgets others and uses the wrong dialect to other parts, would you order mankind to save that copy for eternity to preserve 'history' of the Bible?And again, even if the burned one single verse, it would still be covering up history of the Quran.
I am not able to find sufficient information regarding this hadith to say much about it. It appears to have at least one unreliable narrator. However, the concensus is that there is no verse, not to mention a surah, left out of the Qur'an.Evidence of entire chapters of the Quran being missing.
I am not interested in debating about who is right regarding Jesus. We will never get anywhere because I believe in the Qur'an, every word in it. So my position is what it is.Where is your evidence of me lying instead? Again, Jesus said X words. You muslims changed many of them and changed his message completely. I changed zero words said by Jesus and didn't touch his message at all. I don't know who Jesus would prefer among me and muslims, but I have a strong feeling that it would be me.
Your point being?Yes, that's what Muslims believe. If anyone tells you that the words they speak are the literal words of God, especially if they make war, have multiple wives, and sleep with 9 year old girls, you should know something is wrong.
I'm glad your god wrote this upon pillars in Heaven. You can't justify his ramblings as anything meaningful, much less God writing down words for mankind. Someone married someone, a former slave. That was not acceptable. Muhammad made it ok. Then they divorced.
...uh huh.
Divorce is to be taken seriously in Islam.
"However, that it is something prohibited or something to be avoided with the expense of the well-being of either spouse is false, and that is what we also learn from this story."
These are great words of wisdom written word by word from God.
Your point being?
The word paraclete occurs many many times in the Bible. Christians may have generally agreed that Jesus uses it in his speech as referring to the Holy spirit. But Islam is not just continuation of the Gospel but the Torah as well. So really it is the christians who later chose to use the word 'Holy spirit' to replace the other meanings the word had had before.It doesn't matter what you later call the Holy Spirit (which is still blasphemous) - it's the verse from the Bible that matters.
Which has nothing to do with what either I said or the poster I was responding to said. There is just one Islam. But if it means so much to you and you think it helps you to form your arguments and if you couldn't guess it already - I am a Sunni Muslim.you know, if you tell people what school you follow and what sect you belong to it would be helpful if you plan on having discussions about Islam with people.
All your doing right now is to hide what you believe so that you can throw out any hadith that doesn't fit whatever narrative your trying to spin here, and that is disingenuous at best, truly deceptive..
your either interested in discussion with people about your faith, or interested in protecting Islam from any accusation that comes against it.
seems to me your in defense mode, truth be damned.
Which has nothing to do with what either I said or the poster I was responding to said. There is just one Islam. But if it means so much to you and you think it helps you to form your arguments and if you couldn't guess it already - I am a Sunni Muslim.