Can Angels sin?

[he-man]

Which goes completely contrary to what the Bible tells us:

2 Corinthians 4:4
New International Version
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


2 Corinthians 2:11
in order that Satan should not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.

 

[Phantasman]

The sin Nature is our fallen nature. IF the wages of sin is death, then why is lucifer still alive?

Who came first. The natural man or the spiritual man?

1 Corinth:
44 a]">[a]It is sown a natural body, and is raised a spiritual body: there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 b]">[b]As it is also written, The c]">[c]first man Adam was made a living soul: and the last Adam was made a d]">[d]quickening spirit.

46 e]">[e]Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual: but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual.

The Tree of Life did it's job. Our soul is saved by the spirit (of the true God). Man didn't fall away from anything. God doesn't make mistakes.

 

[jaison jose]

see post 71792350: Some say that Isaiah 14:12 is about the "devil". Now the context of the verse and a bit of knowlege of History rebveils that this is about the Babylonian empire. Reading verse 4 it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation being spoken of here. While this mythological information is available today vis translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readiy available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus early Christian tradition interpreted it as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition. The idea that there could possibly be anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered overly polythestic, you are setting the devil up to be a god or demigod.[/U][/B][www.wiki.com]

its sense if he is devil evil things is in him and which is against God ..

 

[jaison jose]

Who is this beast? Revelation 19:19-20 the Kings of the Earth and their armies

bad ones

 

[Dkh587]

So they have been on death row now for approx. 6000 years. Weird death-row that allows them to harass and possess humans. When we humans place a criminal on death row we tend to lock him up so that he can't harm innocent people in the interim. Ummm, how exactly does that arrangement jive with justice?

I think some of them are locked away, as Peter says

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Sheol, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment

I think the ones who are in Sheol in chains are not the same as the unclean spirits that still roam around the earth today. Unclean spirits are still on the earth - but there are angels that sinned that got locked up until judgement day.

 

[Radrook]

I think some of them are locked away, as Peter says



I think the ones who are in Sheol in chains are not the same as the unclean spirits that still roam around the earth today. Unclean spirits are still on the earth - but there are angels that sinned that got locked up until judgement day.

Sorry but I stilI fail to see the justice in allowing spirit creatures to harass helpless humans. I wouldn't allow one animal to abuse a weaker animal because it is morally repulsive to me. So I expect the same from anyone who would dictate to me what is morally right or wrong. Otherwise the entity has no business telling me what to do.

 

[OzSpen]

Hi Oz, Biblically, God predestines to everlasting 'life' only. The excerpt from the WCC that you've given us above doesn't appear to go beyond that (by saying something about Divine predestination that the Bible does not). Divine predestination and Divine foreordination are not the same thing.

Yours and His,
David

David,

Thank you for your response. I do wish that you had provided biblical evidence that predestination and foreordination do not refer to the same theological meaning.

Foreordination and predestination are terms that are sometimes used interchangeably. Foreordination denotes God’s sovereign plan whereby in eternity He has already decreed all that is to happen in the entire universe, which He created. Predestination is modern terminology depicting the functions of foreordination; it defines the specifics of God’s eternal plan, i.e., God’s foreknowledge in election, the manifestation of His call (summons) and justification in time and the glorification of His elect in eternity (Romans 8:30) [Grace Gospel Ministry, 'Foreordination (Predestination)'].
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Oz

 

[SBC]

Since God created everything can He be accused of creating bad? Psalms 148:1-2

Sure, anyone can "accused" God.

But then, an "accusation" does not equal "truth".

The "truth" is;

Gen 1
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

Can Angels sin?

Yes. Gods way is perfect.
His created Angels and created Mankind have the choice to stand with God or against God.

Pss 18
[30] As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SkyWriting]

Since God created everything can He be accused of creating bad? Psalms 148:1-2

God does allow for independence from him.
It's the difference from building a model airplane kept on a tether,
or building one that fly's off wire. God prefers independance
and you can come back to Him by choice.

 

[Dkh587]

Sorry but I stilI fail to see the justice in allowing spirit creatures to harass helpless humans. I wouldn't allow one animal to abuse a weaker animal because it is morally repulsive to me. So I expect the same from anyone who would dictate to me what is morally right or wrong. Otherwise the entity has no business telling me what to do.

i just go by what the scriptures say. Some things aren't exactly clear, but I know one thing, and that's unclean spirits exist and torment and possess people. Sure, it's not a fun fact, but it is what it is. Death ain't fun either, but it happens. Many things in this life aren't "fair".

 

[he-man]

i just go by what the scriptures say. Some things aren't exactly clear, but I know one thing, and that's unclean spirits exist and torment and possess people. Sure, it's not a fun fact, but it is what it is. Death ain't fun either, but it happens. Many things in this life aren't "fair".

James 1:6-8 is the faithful way to think. Demons do not exist, period. Dualism in the Christian age (Oriental dualism) had a great charm for the imagination for even the primitive Christian mind; and it seemed to form a certain kind of natural and easy alliance with the doctrines of good and evil. It has also revealed itself, more or less, in various sects and systems in every periond of Christian history, and its false theories have often troubled the mind of the Church in the development and statement of its dogmas. (Neander, Hist. of the Chr. Church, Bohn's ed. ii, 14).In theology, Dualism explains evil by assuming two original primal principles or beings, one good, the other evil, instead of one (Monism). It was developed later in Manicheism and among Sclavonians, who during the interval between their undisturbed faith and their national mythology and their conversion to Christianity, added to the worship of the good being; that of a supremely evil one and from the sense of personal sin, which seeks relief in a transfer of guilt from the real self, to something outside of him.. (the Black God) (London Review, April 1855, p. 11)
It is clearly, today, understood that demons and malady's were of a human nature; i.e. convulsions, seizures, sickness, Menustration, and so also being a lunatic was called "Moonstruct" .

 

[Hieronymus]

NO

Yes.
And demons, who are apparently deceased nephilim spirits.
So we have fallen angels and demons.
The angels who fell, fell because they rebel against God.
Nephilim (rephaim) are 'illegal offspring' of fallen angels.
I think the last one was Goliath.

 

[Hieronymus]

NO only God has immortality.

The fallen / rebellious gods have become mortal like man too.

 

[he-man]

The fallen / rebellious gods have become mortal like man too.

You mean they are all dead!

 

[he-man]

God alone is the source of immortality, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't created other immortal beings/angels
Psalm 82 says "you are gods, but will die like men". This is obviously not about humans because you would not tell a human, which die, that "you will die like men". Some of the angels lost their immortality, which came from God.

No, it is MEN, just as it says. Angels are spiritual beings and there cannot lose that which has already been given to them. Immortal means never being able to die forever.

 

[Hieronymus]

You mean they are all dead!

They will be, since it appears they are not repentant.
Just like man actually.

 

[Hieronymus]

No, it is MEN, just as it says. Angels are spiritual beings and there cannot lose that which has already been given to them.

Apparently God decided otherwise.
Are you suggesting God can not exterminate spirits?

 

[Radrook]

i just go by what the scriptures say. Some things aren't exactly clear, but I know one thing, and that's unclean spirits exist and torment and possess people. Sure, it's not a fun fact, but it is what it is. Death ain't fun either, but it happens. Many things in this life aren't "fair".

I never claimed that

1. unclean spirits' don't exist

2. that things aren't what they are

3. that many things in life are not unfair

4. that death is fun.

5. that some things are not unclear

6. or that you aren't going by what the Bible says.

 

[pshun2404]

Since God created everything can He be accused of creating bad? Psalms 148:1-2

Obviously some angels (like humans) have a will...otherwise Satan did not rebel but was instead made to assume self as lord in doing what was right in his own eyes (the God as grand puppet master theory)....to find genuine worshipers and those who genuinely love, the option not to must be present.