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Perhaps... though I tend to think (for now, I reserve the right to change my mind laterMaybe even eternity.
Blessings.
Ken
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Perhaps... though I tend to think (for now, I reserve the right to change my mind laterMaybe even eternity.
When I said "perfected" I meant the point where we are "changed" or "made incorruptible." Our bodies become like his was after his resurrection... perfected. There is a difference in definition between perfected in that sense and "be perfect" as in our behavior. When Yeshua said "be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect," he meant... "striving to be complete." He isn't saying we are not capable of sin... if he were then Peter proved him wrong not too much long after he stated that, right? We are to strive for perfection, seek and walk in as best we can the righteousness of God in love and mercy and faith. But that doesn't mean we are incapable of sin... that condition is addressed when we are 'changed' at his coming.
Blessings sis.
Ken
The Holy Spirit was given only as a deposit or downpayment toward the day when we would be made more than we are now. See 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5.Hi, brother,
Jesus gave us the way to be perfect, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Remember, Peter wasn't filled yet when he denied Christ. We aren't PERFECT yet with immortal bodies, but we can be perfect today.
The Holy Spirit was given only as a deposit or downpayment toward the day when we would be made more than we are now. See 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5.
I am not saying you are wrong... but I am offering this for consideration.
What does it mean to reject the Holy Spirit? The unforgivable sin isn't blaspheming the Father or the Son, only the Spirit. What does it mean to blaspheme? That is the key... it means to speak in a contemptible way about, or to speak impiously or profanely about. The word itself doesn't really allow for the idea of "rejecting." With that in mind, if we go back to when messiah said it, his works were being attributed to the Adversary. So, we have the work of the Spirit being attributed to Satan. I think that is what we are dealing with... that is profaning the Spirit, speaking against or contemptibly about the Spirit. Attributing the works of God to another, any other.
That's what I think it is... but I could be wrong.![]()
I'm asking because I am the person with the mental illness and part of dealing with my illness everyday is dealing with thoughts that the holy spirit could be Satan.
All those who the Father gives me will come to me. Him who comes to me I will in no way throw out.
John 6:37
This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:40
these thoughts from coming into my head no matter how many meds I take.
And why would Jesus say he would not lose a single believer if believers could be lost?... …a believer cannot lose their salvation?
Okay so everyone knows [?] what the unforgivable sin is and was in Jesus`s day.
Yes, as every Bible scholar knows, the only first century explanation of this sin is provided by The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, generally know by its abbreviated French title, Didache:
"7 Do not test or examine any prophet who is speaking in a spirit, "for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven." 8 But not everyone who speaks in a spirit is a prophet, except he have the behavior of the Lord. From his behavior, then, the false prophet and the true prophet shall be known (11:7)."
In other words, if the Holy Spirit convicts me through the message of a Christian prophet, and I reject that word, then I am in danger of committing the unpardonable sin against the Spirit. But how can I know who qualifies as a modern prophet? Well, the 2 key issues are (1) whether I know that the messenger lives a Christlike life and (2) whether the Holy Spirit convicts me that the message is true, but I still reject it, perhaps because I don't want to obey it or respond to it. If I don't understand the message or honestly doubt that the messenger speaks for God, then I can't commit this unpardonable sin.
Okay so everyone knows what the unforgivable sin is and was in Jesus`s day. Many people say the unforgivable sin cannot be commited today because Jesus isn't walking on the Earth anymore. But I don't know. If the unforgivable sin could be commited today could a believer commit it? Say they have a mental illness and part of their mental illness is that they say really bad things about the holy spirit and Jesus could they be forgiven? I'm asking because I am the person with the mental illness and part of dealing with my illness everyday is dealing with thoughts that the holy spirit could be Satan. I mean Jesus says in John 6:37-6:40 that he will not lose a single believer so my salvation should be as secure as any other believers but I still cannot stop these thoughts from coming into my head no matter how many meds I take. I want Jesus to cure me so that I will never blasphemy him or any part of God anymore but he wont. Its almost as if Jesus hates me and doesn't understand how bad this is making me feel. So is it possible for a believer to commit the unforgivable sin? If not why? If yes we would eventually get the punishment we deserve for saying such things. But why would Jesus give us the holy spirit in the first place? And why would Jesus say he would not lose a single believer if believers could be lost? Wouldn't that make Jesus a liar? And wouldn't that mean that saying a believer could lose his salvation call Jesus a liar from his numerous statements in the bible that say that a believer cannot lose their salvation? I mean... I'm just as saved as any other believer right?
The Unpardonable Sin
28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said."He has an unclean spirit."
If you committed an unforgivable sin against the holy spirit you would likely die immediately like Ananias and Sapphira, who lied to the holy spirit, which was a sin against the holy spirit that dwelt inside Peter. There are very few people in the world that have been baptized with the holy spirit, so unless you've run into one of these few prophets, and angered the holy spirit inside them to be charged with an aeonial sin to cause the holy spirit to kill you on the spot, you have likely not committed an unforgivable sin.
Jesus paid the price for all sins, so God does not need to punish any sins now.
What Jesus did was adequate.
That would not be a punishment, would it?All sins against Jesus and God will be forgiven, but not sins against the holy spirit. Jesus Christ even spoke of this, that all sins against him and God will be forgiven, but not sins against the holy spirit. So, you have just made a statement contrary to the words of Christ.
That would not be a punishment, would it?
Okay so everyone knows what the unforgivable sin is and was in Jesus`s day. Many people say the unforgivable sin cannot be commited today because Jesus isn't walking on the Earth anymore. But I don't know. If the unforgivable sin could be commited today could a believer commit it?
.Say they have a mental illness and part of their mental illness is that they say really bad things about the holy spirit and Jesus could they be forgiven? I'm asking because I am the person with the mental illness and part of dealing with my illness everyday is dealing with thoughts that the holy spirit could be Satan
I think sometimes meds can facilitate them. Meanwhile, what the Lord said was that He would not reject any who come to Him, and thatI mean Jesus says in John 6:37-6:40 that he will not lose a single believer so my salvation should be as secure as any other believers but I still cannot stop these thoughts from coming into my head no matter how many meds I take.
You have not, but i believe the Scriptures teach that of a sin unto death, of terminal apostasy, warning believers as believers against having an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, drawing back unto perdition, back into bondage, making Christ of no effect, to no profit, falling from grace, etc., (Hebrews 3:12; Hebrews 10:38,39; Galatians 5:1-5) thus forfeiting what faith appropriated.So is it possible for a believer to commit the unforgivable sin?
And which frustration and wrong view of Christ likely is the cause with these offensive thoughts, which do what their origin in Hell, and which is what Job's wife told him to do.I want Jesus to cure me so that I will never blasphemy him or any part of God anymore but he wont. Its almost as if Jesus hates me and doesn't understand how bad this is making me feel.
If you had committed the unforgivable sin as contextually understood then you would not be crying out for help to God and man. If Judas could and would have done so then he could have found salvation. But we must not presume upon grace, and to much is given, to him shall much be required.If not why? If yes we would eventually get the punishment we deserve for saying such things. But why would Jesus give us the holy spirit in the first place?
Covered above. As the premise is false so is the conclusion. But which does not mean that God does not play for keeps, and works to bring us to repentance, and somewhere along the line God gives space to repent. (Revelation 2:20-23) But "he, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." (Proverbs 29:1)And why would Jesus say he would not lose a single believer if believers could be lost? Wouldn't that make Jesus a liar? And wouldn't that mean that saying a believer could lose his salvation call Jesus a liar from his numerous statements in the bible that say that a believer cannot lose their salvation? I mean...
We all saved by faith, faith out of a poor and contrite heart, (Ps. 34:18) which faith purifies the heart in the washing of regeneration (Acts 15:8,9; Titus 3:5) and appropriates, is counted for righteousness, (Rm. 4:5) which faith is a living effectual attitude of the heart, which effects obedience to the Object of faith, relative to the light and grace given, which obedience includes penitent confession when convicted of not being obedient.I'm just as saved as any other believer right?
I just cannot imagine anyone who is genuinely converted to Christ would do that in a million years! Anyone who is foolish enough to insult the Holy Spirit in any way needs to examine him or herself to see whether they are in the faith, or whether they came over the wall of religiosity instead of the narrow gate of repentance, receiving Jesus as Lord and Saviour and a determination to live a holy life before the Lord.I suggest you read this post:
Did I do the unforgivable sin?
"To blaspheme the Holy Spirit, you first must have a true miracle from God. And then you have to knowingly lie that it was done by the devil's power instead of by the Holy Spirit."
The sin of Satan is the unforgivable sin. Satan was created knowing God in accordance with his particular perfection. Which was the highest of the angels. No obstruction of the will to hinder freedom. He knew the consequences far greater than we could. No temptation outside of himself. If God has revealed Himself fully and is still rejected, what more can God do to change that mind?I just cannot imagine anyone who is genuinely converted to Christ would do that in a million years! Anyone who is foolish enough to insult the Holy Spirit in any way needs to examine him or herself to see whether they are in the faith, or whether they came over the wall of religiosity instead of the narrow gate of repentance, receiving Jesus as Lord and Saviour and a determination to live a holy life before the Lord.
Blaspheme would be to call what you know is holy, unholy... And, rejecting it knowing it is holy...I am not saying you are wrong... but I am offering this for consideration.
What does it mean to reject the Holy Spirit? The unforgivable sin isn't blaspheming the Father or the Son, only the Spirit. What does it mean to blaspheme? That is the key... it means to speak in a contemptible way about, or to speak impiously or profanely about. The word itself doesn't really allow for the idea of "rejecting." With that in mind, if we go back to when messiah said it, his works were being attributed to the Adversary. So, we have the work of the Spirit being attributed to Satan. I think that is what we are dealing with... that is profaning the Spirit, speaking against or contemptibly about the Spirit. Attributing the works of God to another, any other.
That's what I think it is... but I could be wrong.![]()
Cursing or using the name(s) of God as curse words, is taking the Lord's name in vain, not blaspheming, most of these do not know what they are doing... They are not committing the unpardonable sin...Blaspheme would be to call what you know is holy, unholy... And, rejecting it knowing it is holy...