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And Jason we have come to an agreement then. That the KJV of the Bible is the perfect and inspired word of God.(without error).
OP: Q: ..."Can a (true) believer commit THE "unforgivable sin"?
A: NO!
THE "unforgivable sin":.
Matthew 12 (NASB)...the ONLY unforgivable sin!
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God,(God the Holy Spirit) then the "kingdom of God" (spirit of Jesus) has come upon you.
29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
The Unpardonable Sin
30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 “Therefore I say to you,
any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people,
but blasphemy against (God) the (Holy) Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man (Jesus), it shall be forgiven him;
but whoever speaks against (God) the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him,
either in this age or in the age to come.
blasphemy...Greek 988...blasphēmia...
I.slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name
II.>impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty<
sin...Greek 266...hamartia...
A.to be without a share in
B.to miss the mark
C.to err, be mistaken
D.to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
E.to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin
II.that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act
III.collectively, the complex or aggregate of sins committed either by a single person or by many
1 John 4:4...How can a true believer sin/blaspheme against God the Holy spirit who permanently indwells?
You are from God, little children,(true believers)
and have overcome them;(satan/demons)
because greater is He (God the Holy Spirit) who is IN you than he who is in the world.(kosmos/evil spirits)
John 14:16-17 ...the "paraclete"
I (God the Son) will ask (God) the Father,
and He will give you another Helper, (God the Holy Spirit) that He may be with you FOREVER;
that is the "Spirit of Truth",
whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him,
but you know Him because He ABIDES WITH you and will be IN you. (at Pentecost)
Romans 8: 9-11...God the Holy Spirit INDWELLS all true believers!
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God DWELLS in you.
But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of (imputed) righteousness.But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS in you,
He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies
through His Spirit who DWELLS IN you.
Do you believe
My friend, All I know is what you said. Again, IF you read what I said, I said I UNDERSTAND what you said "does NOT COVE sin" as mistake.
You said:What I am having trouble with is the other thing you said....
"The blood of Jesus is not good enough............".
That is not a mistake or a typo. It took time and thought to produce that comment and that is my problem.
YOU said you made a mistake but you have just repeated the same thing when you said.....
"Do you believe the blood of Jesus is good enough to save even unbelievers who reject Him? I would say... "no." The blood is not good enough for them because it does not apply to them. That is what I am getting at here. The blood of Jesus is only sufficient for faithful believers and it is not sufficient for unbelievers (who reject Him) or believers who want to justify sin and evil on some level."
My dear friend Jason, were YOU not an unbeliever at one time?????
Jesus’ blood has sufficient worth to ransom from their sin everyone who ever lived. Therefore, every person can be told that Jesus died to give them a free offer of forgiveness and acceptance with God.
Would you like to try and explain 1 John 2:2 ...........
"He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. "
John 4:42............
"They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”
Are YOU reading and thinking about what you are typing?????
I am glad you are letting an honest mistake go.
Well, Christ paid for the sins of the entire world on a provisional basis (Sort of like a check written to you to cancel out your debt). Christ did not wash away everyone's sins in the entire world for all people literally for all time. If such was the case, then that would mean you believe in Universalism (Whereby everyone is saved). Surely you do not believe in Universalism, do you? I believe an unbeliever's sin (i.e. the sin of the world) is paid on a provisional basis. An unbeliever's sin is not officially forgiven until they come to Jesus and they receive His free love gift. They also have to maintain their right standing in having the blood continually wash away their past sins if they continue to be responsible with that gift, as well (i.e. if they obey Jesus and not themselves and or sin). It's sort of like me handing you a check to you with me saying, "all your debts are canceled out." However, it is up to you if you want to actually pay off your debts with the check I give you (Which is a free gift). The debt is paid, but you need to pay off your debts personally (receive Christ and his forgiveness and believe in His death and resurrection), and you need to prevent yourself from going into debt again (i.e. faithfulness or Sanctification).
Besides, while Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world (i.e. most everyone who has ever lived), Christ did not die for those who worship the beast. For Scripture says their names are not even written in the book of life since the foundation of the world.
"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Revelation 13:8).
"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." (Revelation 17:8).
Note: I believe a person is saved by Christ's blood automatically when they are baby. For if a baby dies, they are saved by Christ's sacrifice and their name is in the Lamb's book of life. But if a person grows up and falls into sin, their name is blotted out. They need to repent and receive Jesus in order to have their name restored. Those who worship the beast in the future have never even had their names in the book of life. They were without hope. Well, they have free will (of course), but God simply knew what their bad free will choice was going to be.
John 1:29-39 says.......
“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, ‘Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.’”
Jason, we were all born with sin and still continue to commit sins in this world. My dear friend, don’t we continually commit sins while we are alive? Am I not right? Just as people end up being stained with coal if they go through a coal mine or end up drinking if they go to a bar, like so, everyone ends up committing so many sins while they are living/walking in this world.
Are you not committing much sin in this world? Are you committing any sin at all? If you say that you are not committing sins at all, you are lying. We know that people will continue to commit sins while they are living in this world. Whether it is this sin or that sin, we will commit sins in this world.
Thus, in order to deliver us from all the sins of the world, our Lord has taken all those sins onto Himself once and for all by His death, burial and resurrection. By bearing all the sins of the world onto the Cross, He received the judgments for all our sins by shedding His precious blood, He has delivered us from all the sins of the world.
It is obvious that you and I would not have been delivered from all the sins of the world, if Jesus had not been crucified and died and rose from the dead, through which Jesus took all the sins of the world.
Jesus took on all the sins of the world and He bore all those sins onto the Cross for ALL people. Jesus completely took all the sins that we commit in this world. This is the biblical basis that enables us to receive our salvation through our faith. There is no place in the Bible where it says that Jesus took only the original sin or just a few sin or only the sins of a select few. Rather, the Bible says that when Jesus received the baptism from John the Baptist, He took all the sins of the world onto Himself once and for all.
The blood of Christ is for everyone.
Rev. 5:9.......
“And they sang a new song, saying: ‘You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation’”.
You said.............
"I believe a person is saved by Christ's blood automatically when they are baby".
Agreed. The Bible addresses a baby's need through the blood of Christ. Jesus' blood was provided for the salvation of mankind--men, women and children. Until we reject the promise of God's salvation, the benefit of His death is still available to us. Even though babies are not innocent, they have not rejected God's salvation. The blood of Jesus Christ is there for them.
There are three things against us the world the flesh and the devil .
If we talk about the 10 Commandments, on a daily basis a human being a child of God cannot say that they are not guilty of one of the Commandments broken .
Thou shall have no other gods before me .
We have a lot of gods before our Lord and Savior.
To name a few, family, things, finances.
If Christ’s blood does not cover “ALL” sin we are all going to hell .
So you believe in Universal Salvationism?
No Jason I do not and once again you are placing words in my mouth.
You said:Now you really need to work on that brother as it can and will lead to confrontations.
You said:People can be saved in varying degrees of theological error. There are regenerated people who do not understand predestination, don't accept election, don't understand federal headship, are clueless about imputation, Christ's eternal priesthood, covenant, etc., yet they are regenerated. They simply haven't learned those doctrinal truths yet.
Consider YOUR own thinking on one being able to lose his salvation which is in fact NOT Biblical but no one is saying that you are not regenerated.
Are they condemned for not rightly understanding these very important biblical teachings? No, because the ones I just listed in this paragraph are not declared by the Bible to be essential doctrines for salvation.
Unbelief is the sin that dams a soul, NOT tha lack of doctrinal understanding.
All true Christ-followers are covered by the "Blood of Christ Jesus"!
A computer search came up with these good hits! (all cites NASB)
1. 1 Corinthians 10:16
2. Ephesians 2:13
3. Hebrews 9:14
4. 1 Peter 1:2
5. 1 Peter 1:19
6. 1 John 5:6
7. Revelation 1:5
8. 1 John 1:7
1 John 1:7
but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Revelation 1:5 (NASB)
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood.
1 Peter 1:2,19-21
2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
by the sanctifying work of the Spirit,to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood:...
19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you
21 who THROUGH Him are believers in God,
who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
1 John 5:6 (NASB)
6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood.
It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
Ephesians 2:13(NASB)
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:16(NASB)
16 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ?
Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?
Hebrews 10....One voluntary Blood Sacrifice of Himself by Christ Is Sufficient
19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
The OLD Covenant between God and Man / His "chosen people" required a "blood" sacrifice
to cover annually the sins of the people Israel. E.g. See: Hebrews 9.; EXODUS 30.
Under the NEW Covenant in Jesus' blood with all believers, ...>
Hebrews 9 (NASB) ...The Old and the New: Sacrifices and Covenants
....but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption....
...but now once at the consummation of the ages,
He has been manifested to put away sin by the (bloody) sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also,
having been offered once to bear the sins of many,
will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin,
to those who eagerly await Him.
Hebrews 10....One Blood Sacrifice of Christ Is Sufficient
...4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins....
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.....
18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things (lawless deeds) , there is no longer any offering for sin...
19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith,
having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
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