Biblical Stories that Support Evolutionary Science

[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
Yes, I have read it, I know all about the Giants created when Angels had sex with human women (does this not sound like myth or legend to believers? These kinds of stories were among my first doubts in regards to Biblical accuracy.). Where are they now is what I was asking

Let's review here:

Genesis 6
<SUP>1</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
<SUP>2</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
<SUP>3</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
<SUP>4</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Is this what Eph is referring to?

Okay, I'm lost about 'impure humans' and 'sex with angels'...

Someone enlighten me.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Eph continues...
LS...??? Do you see ANY reference here in the text of the "OP"...that asks anyone to give.."chapter and verse please"...from the Bible"..??

...LOL &nbsp;

Eph, speculate away... either scientifically or biblicaly.&nbsp; The only rule I gave is NOT to use evolution in your debate of my claims.

However, be ready to defend your statements!

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
Now, you still have not provided any references for your outrageous claims against science and scientists, so let's not get into a nitpicking contest.&nbsp;

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Yes Neph,

You still haven't provided your list of scientists who support your claims.&nbsp; Either you back up your claim or concede your argument wasn't correct.&nbsp; I'm eager to read their articles, publications, etc.

(We have nothing to fear, but fear itself....)

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Originally posted by LadyShea [/i]
Eph asks...

LS...am I in your mind some kind of second class person...?? I see the words "you Christians"...in your post as if we're something to be avoided like the plague...LOL

The next question to you then would be.....WHY would you come to a Christian Forum..to BE with "Those Christians"...?

I must insist you be nice now Eph.&nbsp; LadyShea is a wonderful person and a good friend.&nbsp; She's welcome to dinner anytime at my house.&nbsp; Hospitality..Eph...Hospitality... It's a wonderful trait in ANY person, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, etc...etc...

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[Smilin]

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
[QUOTE
Did you know that Evo says that at one time the Earth was hot molten liquid rock that came together and over vast periods of time it cooled down and came together with pressure and formed an outer crust..that over a vast amount of time also cooled some more..ect ect ...!

With me so far extra..?

Then over more vast amounts of time..ect ect ( I gotta speed this up a bit ok ).. rain started and small pools of muck formed from the rocks...and chemicals were in the muck and the rain and "more vast amounts of time past"..!

...Till that muck began to also cool ect ect and the eliments of life were ALL there and the exact mixture was present to begin life..Maybe as small one celled animals..or fungus..or something like that...

This mixture over vast amounts of time...is eventually what we all came from...

Yes or no..THAT is the Evo position correct...?

So...what YOU believe IF you trace it back to it's beginings is...We all came from..Rocks...!!

Granny was a rock..???

.....and you make fun of Christians who believe we were created by God..?

Eph, I'm a Christian, and I don't know whether to laugh, bang my head into my keyboard now, or scream.&nbsp; You REALLY need some quiet time with some basic Science books before you start making such claims.&nbsp; You're totally confusing Evolutionary Science with Geology, Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry... heck I'll stop here.

PLEASE review what each discipline ACTUALLY postulates, theorizes, shows..etc...

NO scientist has EVER claimed ANYTHING living came from rocks.&nbsp;I'm afraid you have been SEVERELY misled and betrayed.

 

[Smilin]

Hello LadyShea..
If you were to choose which rock you could have 'originated' from...which would you choose?

I'm a fan of the Igneous type myself... given that I could be formed into an actual arrowhead instead of some lowly amoeba in a lonesome mudpuddle.

 

[LadyShea]

Originally posted by Smilin
&nbsp; errr...this is in the Bible?&nbsp; geeze I'm slipping I don't remember this story.... LadyShea my good friend do you have a scriptural quote?

Gen 30: 37-39

37 <I>Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches. </I>38 <I>Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink, </I>39 <I>they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted</I>.

 

[LadyShea]

I like obsidian...beautiful volcanic glass

 

[seebs]

Oh, that's a very good one.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
Gen 30: 37-39

37 <I>Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches. </I>38 <I>Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink, </I>39 <I>they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted</I>.

&nbsp;&nbsp; Okay...thanks.&nbsp; I really am slipping.&nbsp; I'm not as informed as I originally thought :o

Please inform Eph how you enlightened a Christian friend today

 

[LadyShea]

Originally posted by Smilin
Let's review here:

Genesis 6
<SUP>1</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
<SUP>2</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
<SUP>3</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
<SUP>4</SUP>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Is this what Eph is referring to?

Okay, I'm lost about 'impure humans' and 'sex with angels'...

Someone enlighten me.

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I think "Sons of God" has been interpreted to mean angels...at least that's what I was taught. I don't get Eph's demon thing tho

 

[Smilin]

Now, back to buisness,

I'm still waiting on someone to dispute my claims that only Evolution can support any truth behind the biblical account of Noah's ark.
Anyone have the dimensions handy? I'm gonna have to dig through my computer now .....

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
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I think "Sons of God" has been interpreted to mean angels...at least that's what I was taught. I don't get Eph's demon thing tho

Okay,

I was taught 'Sons of God' to be human men that followed God.&nbsp; That would qualify any man that followed God such as myself having sexual intercourse with the women as the Bible states.&nbsp; If someone could clarify from the original Hebrew, I'd appreciate it.&nbsp; Where's my good Jewish friend when I need him....

I'm quite interested if God would actually allow angels and humans to actually mix.......

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[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
I like obsidian...beautiful volcanic glass

Not natural to my geographical area...

HAYYYY

trade yah some NICE igneous Native American GENNNUUUINNNEEE arrowheads for a hunk of volcanic glass?

 

[LadyShea]

I have collected rocks since I was 3, I'll dig you up some obsidian as a gift

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
I have collected rocks since I was 3, I'll dig you up some obsidian as a gift

kewl,

My daughter requested a Beta Fish for Christmas..(and of course got one)... I'll chunk you're rock in her aquarium and hope for a pretty white Cockatoo to pop out...

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Smilin
Now, back to buisness,

I'm still waiting on someone to dispute my claims that only Evolution can support any truth behind the biblical account of Noah's ark.
Anyone have the dimensions handy? I'm gonna have to dig through my computer now .....

tuuudahhhhh.....

"LightBearer" said it best:

<B>Design and Size.</B> The ark (Heb., te·vah'; Gr., ki·bo·tos') was a rectangular chestlike vessel presumably having square corners and a flat bottom. It needed no rounded bottom or sharp bow to cut rapidly through the water; it required no steering; its only functions were to be watertight and to stay afloat. A vessel so shaped is very stable, cannot be easily capsized, and contains about one third more storage space than ships of conventional design. There was a door provided in the side of the ark for loading and unloading the cargo.

In size the ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. Conservatively calculating the cubit as 44.5 cm (17.5 in.) (some think the ancient cubit was nearer 56 or 61 cm), the ark measured 133.5 m by 22.3 m by 13.4 m (437 ft 6 in. × 72 ft 11 in. × 43 ft 9 in.), less than half the length of the ocean liner Queen Elizabeth 2. This proportion of length to width (6 to 1) is used by modern naval architects. This gave the ark approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) in gross volume. It is estimated that such a vessel would have a displacement nearly equal to that of the mighty 269-m (883 ft) Titanic of this 20th century. No cargo vessel of ancient times even slightly resembled the ark in its colossal size. Internally strengthened by adding two floors, the three decks thus provided gave a total of about 8,900 sq m (96,000 sq ft) of space.

<B>Ample Carrying Capacity.</B> The passenger list of the ark was quite impressive. Besides Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives, living creatures "of every sort of flesh, two of each," were to be taken aboard. "Male and female they will be. Of the flying creatures according to their kinds and of the domestic animals according to their kinds, of all moving animals of the ground according to their kinds, two of each will go in there to you to preserve them alive." Of the clean beasts and fowls, seven of each kind were to be taken. A great quantity and variety of food for all these creatures, to last for more than a year, also had to be stowed away. Ge 6:18-21; 7:2, 3.

The "kinds" of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding "according to their kinds." It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family "kinds"-the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to "kind" established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 "kinds" of mammals, 74 "kinds" of birds, and 10 "kinds" of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 "kinds" of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird "kinds" were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few "kinds" following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind-short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin-all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah.

These estimates may seem too restrictive to some, especially since such sources as The Encyclopedia Americana indicate that there are upwards of 1,300,000 species of animals. (1977, Vol. 1, pp. 859-873) However, over 60 percent of these are insects. Breaking these figures down further, of the 24,000 amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals, 10,000 are birds, 9,000 are reptiles and amphibians, many of which could have survived outside the ark, and only 5,000 are mammals, including whales and porpoises, which would have also remained outside the ark. Other researchers estimate that there are only about 290 species of land mammals larger than sheep and about 1,360 smaller than rats. (The Deluge Story in Stone, by B. C. Nelson, p. 156; The Flood in the Light of the Bible, Geology, and Archaeology, by A. M. Rehwinkel, p. 69) So, even if estimates are based on these expanded figures, the ark could easily have accommodated a pair of all these animals.

Now I again assert,

Given the above dimensions and capacity of the ark, and the fact of over 1,300,000 species of animals that exist today, that number of species could NOT conceivably fit into such a vessel, therefore only the fact that animals do indeed evolve could explain any truth to the biblical story of the ark.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by LadyShea
I have collected rocks since I was 3, I'll dig you up some obsidian as a gift

Wow, where do you keep them all, you must have lots of rocks!

I remember reading about a guy who moved out of an apartment. When they went to check it was filled with rocks. Wall to wall, floor to ceiling, it was nothing but rocks.&nbsp;Other than a few paths going to the toilet or something.

When they asked the neighbors about him. They said that they did not notice anything unusual about him at all. They did mention that he carried a suitcase in and out with him sometimes.

 

[LadyShea]

LOL John...I am very picky in choosing my specimins. I have little baskets filled with rocks from places that have special meaning to me (a black rock from the black sand beach on Maui, rocks from the riverbed in Sedona). Many of the ones from my childhood are packed in storage boxes in the garage.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
LOL John...I am very picky in choosing my specimins. I have little baskets filled with rocks from places that have special meaning to me (a black rock from the black sand beach on Maui, rocks from the riverbed in Sedona). Many of the ones from my childhood are packed in storage boxes in the garage.

geeze, I bet you'd REALLY hate moving then huh?&nbsp; Nice idea, collecting rocks, (I prefer local fossil and arrowhead specimens)

my son would LOVE to prowl in your garage..

Now, is anyone going to challenge me on my assertions towards a limited number of species contained within Noah's ark... or any further comments on my hypothesis behind racial diversities?

I'm bitin at the chomps here, it's a beautiful day, I'm stuck at work (yep I'm working), and I have a sudden urge to go rock hunting. &nbsp;