From another rock lover.I have so many some are in storage. The diversity and organisation of minerals are such that I could never believe that the earth is only 6000 years old
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Biblical Stories that Support Evolutionary Science
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That's where you are completely wrong. There IS loads of evidence for evolution. You may disagree with it but the evidence is still there. The Cloneaid group is different they haven't shown any evidence so far.
I guess you are also part of a group of loonies right? You believe in a god and there is no evidence supporting god. But I don't think people believe in god are loonies.
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If it proved to be the case that Europa could support life, then it would take some air out of the Anthropic Coincidence apologetics. It would also be an extremely interesting thing to get to have a look at what non-terrestrial life might look like...
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Originally posted by Smilin [/i]
Eph, I'm a Christian, and I don't know whether to laugh, bang my head into my keyboard now, or scream.
Eph writes...
Well I see you as a Christian...
also haven't tied the subject together yet..( thats because it was packaged that way for you )
...See the basic formula behind EVO...is "slow...gradual....change...over LONGGGG periods of time...known as...UNIFORMITARIANISM...!
EVO's "believe" or place their FAITH in that the Evo process has taken many "millions" of yrs to happen..Yes or No..?
And these changes occur over vast amounts of time..? Correct...?
Or did EVO change..???
Do things now change "overnight"..or in a few days..?
Smilin says..
You REALLY need some quiet time with some basic Science books before you start making such claims You're totally confusing Evolutionary Science with Geology, Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry... heck I'll stop here.
Eph writes...
Yeah right ....LOL....
No Smilin.....please continue...see it's ALL tied in together and all of it has been pulled over your eyes...THATS what I'm trying to tell you guys but sad to say.."your hard drive" has been pre programmed to THINK only in a box...I'm trying to get you to think outside the box.
Smilin says..
PLEASE review what each discipline ACTUALLY postulates, theorizes, shows..
Eph chuckles..
I have...and thats why I decided to enter this discussion...BUT just for a bit..all this review is quite boring..BUT for your sake I'll give it just a bit of my time...!
Smilin says..
NO scientist has EVER claimed ANYTHING living came from rocks..I'm afraid you have been SEVERELY misled and betrayed.
Eph says...
OH yes they have...BUT in a round about way...You just don't know it yet...!
See one guy's job is to get you to believe the Earth is VERYYYY old...Millions and Billions of yrs old..The next guys job..is to get you to believe we came from some common ancestor..(( thats yet to be found but he assures you it's out there..like a snipe hunt for example ))...
Another trusted guy claims that each layer of strata formed shows the amount of years the earth has been in this state...and yet another says the fossils found can be dated by the layers of strata their found in...Each has their own part in the play...TO play...!
NOW...when this subject is looked at one at a time...(( like you guys have done ))...It all appears to all make perfect sence...!
BUT they don't all work when looked at together...!
IF you date fossils using...oh lets say some of the common carbon dating methods..or others like Potassium Argon...U235..U238..Lead 208..206...Rabidium Stronchem...They ALL date the rock layers by the fossils found in them in every case...!
Now IF your going to date MAN by the fossil record found...and claim the bones are...oh pick a number like they do...lets say...200,000 yrs old...and back it up by using these flawed methods...go right ahead...!
But EACH method is based on ""FAITH"" and that faith being..."""everything on earth has continued from the beginning and has always remained the same....since the EARTH was formed"""..!
Yep you guessed it...thats "UNIFORITARIANISM"...The rate of decay has always been the same...the rate of any amount hitting the earth has been the same..!
Biblical scholars would say...NO...things haven't always been the same since the Earth was formed....therefore those dating systems are flawed...and or at best a "guess"...
SO...for Evo to claim that "slow gradual change over vast amounts of time"...has occured is wrong...!
People who use "layers of strata" to place dates..are also just as wrong...You'll find that LAYERS are only proof of something called " Hydrologic Sorting"...!
For example...take a jar of water and add big stones and little stones and sand and dirt to it....Now shake it up real good...then set it on the table and come back tomorrow...You'll see that the heavy particles will fall to the bottom...followed by the lighter particles...The sand and dirt will form layers between each other...!
THAT doesn't mean those layers in the jar took years to make nor does it prove those layers were formed any sooner or are any older than the rocks at the bottom....(( remember I told you to come back the next day and check it ))
Nor is there any EROSION between the layers of strata..why...? If it took a yr to make a layer..why no erosion during that yr..or "whatever" amount of time they claim each layer is nowadays..
What Evo's do is they give examples of MICRO Evo...and apply it to MACRO Evo...that is wrong...
Micro Evo IS possible...But should better be described as "variation"..Dogs produce big dogs..little dogs...fish produce big fish..little fish..
Fish don't produce dogs..nor do Birds produce flowers...!
Macro Evo...using INDEX Fossils...and Geology dating at their base..Is not...Evo is using GEOLOGY to document Evo...and Geology uses Evo to document Geology...thats "circular reasoning"...thinking in a circle...!
Evo says that ALL things came from a common ancestor...WHICH if you trace back the OTHER theories it's all tied into..means We all came from "rocks"....!
Thus the subjects ARE intermixed...since ALL have thier common "Genesis"...in and based ON...the Big Bang" theory..!
"" Earth cooled down..developed a hard ROCKY crust...then it rained for a few million years...the rain washed and wore down the rocks for a few million yrs...and turned the rocks and the chemicals from the rocks and rain into a premoridal soup...!
Millions of millions years later...Somehow the soup came alive...got married...had kids...ate dinner...paid rent..and here WE all are...LOL
Now you guys can FAITH that....if you want...Just don't call IT science...!
Natural selection BTW isn't part of EVO...it's part of creation..it keeps things good..it doesn't make anything NEW..it just improves on whats ALREADY there..."survival of the fittest"...doesn't explain how things got there or how it was created...!
DNA...gives the info that is ALREADY present...it doesn't add something new...a frog is a frog...you can make it have an extra leg if you mess with the dna..but that is MUTATION...
You can't take a frog with frog dna....and get a wing..or a tree branch to grow from it...!
Those "flat earthers" are still out there but not too many of em really...and I see the Evo folks are too...It takes time for them all to go the way of the Dino's..!
Eph, I'm a Christian, and I don't know whether to laugh, bang my head into my keyboard now, or scream.
Eph writes...
Well I see you as a Christian...
also haven't tied the subject together yet..( thats because it was packaged that way for you )
...See the basic formula behind EVO...is "slow...gradual....change...over LONGGGG periods of time...known as...UNIFORMITARIANISM...!
EVO's "believe" or place their FAITH in that the Evo process has taken many "millions" of yrs to happen..Yes or No..?
And these changes occur over vast amounts of time..? Correct...?
Or did EVO change..???
Do things now change "overnight"..or in a few days..?
Smilin says..
You REALLY need some quiet time with some basic Science books before you start making such claims You're totally confusing Evolutionary Science with Geology, Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry... heck I'll stop here.
Eph writes...
Yeah right ....LOL....
No Smilin.....please continue...see it's ALL tied in together and all of it has been pulled over your eyes...THATS what I'm trying to tell you guys but sad to say.."your hard drive" has been pre programmed to THINK only in a box...I'm trying to get you to think outside the box.
Smilin says..
PLEASE review what each discipline ACTUALLY postulates, theorizes, shows..
Eph chuckles..
I have...and thats why I decided to enter this discussion...BUT just for a bit..all this review is quite boring..BUT for your sake I'll give it just a bit of my time...!
Smilin says..
NO scientist has EVER claimed ANYTHING living came from rocks..I'm afraid you have been SEVERELY misled and betrayed.
Eph says...
OH yes they have...BUT in a round about way...You just don't know it yet...!
See one guy's job is to get you to believe the Earth is VERYYYY old...Millions and Billions of yrs old..The next guys job..is to get you to believe we came from some common ancestor..(( thats yet to be found but he assures you it's out there..like a snipe hunt for example ))...
Another trusted guy claims that each layer of strata formed shows the amount of years the earth has been in this state...and yet another says the fossils found can be dated by the layers of strata their found in...Each has their own part in the play...TO play...!
NOW...when this subject is looked at one at a time...(( like you guys have done ))...It all appears to all make perfect sence...!
BUT they don't all work when looked at together...!
IF you date fossils using...oh lets say some of the common carbon dating methods..or others like Potassium Argon...U235..U238..Lead 208..206...Rabidium Stronchem...They ALL date the rock layers by the fossils found in them in every case...!
Now IF your going to date MAN by the fossil record found...and claim the bones are...oh pick a number like they do...lets say...200,000 yrs old...and back it up by using these flawed methods...go right ahead...!
But EACH method is based on ""FAITH"" and that faith being..."""everything on earth has continued from the beginning and has always remained the same....since the EARTH was formed"""..!
Yep you guessed it...thats "UNIFORITARIANISM"...The rate of decay has always been the same...the rate of any amount hitting the earth has been the same..!
Biblical scholars would say...NO...things haven't always been the same since the Earth was formed....therefore those dating systems are flawed...and or at best a "guess"...
SO...for Evo to claim that "slow gradual change over vast amounts of time"...has occured is wrong...!
People who use "layers of strata" to place dates..are also just as wrong...You'll find that LAYERS are only proof of something called " Hydrologic Sorting"...!
For example...take a jar of water and add big stones and little stones and sand and dirt to it....Now shake it up real good...then set it on the table and come back tomorrow...You'll see that the heavy particles will fall to the bottom...followed by the lighter particles...The sand and dirt will form layers between each other...!
THAT doesn't mean those layers in the jar took years to make nor does it prove those layers were formed any sooner or are any older than the rocks at the bottom....(( remember I told you to come back the next day and check it ))
Nor is there any EROSION between the layers of strata..why...? If it took a yr to make a layer..why no erosion during that yr..or "whatever" amount of time they claim each layer is nowadays..
What Evo's do is they give examples of MICRO Evo...and apply it to MACRO Evo...that is wrong...
Micro Evo IS possible...But should better be described as "variation"..Dogs produce big dogs..little dogs...fish produce big fish..little fish..
Fish don't produce dogs..nor do Birds produce flowers...!
Macro Evo...using INDEX Fossils...and Geology dating at their base..Is not...Evo is using GEOLOGY to document Evo...and Geology uses Evo to document Geology...thats "circular reasoning"...thinking in a circle...!
Evo says that ALL things came from a common ancestor...WHICH if you trace back the OTHER theories it's all tied into..means We all came from "rocks"....!
Thus the subjects ARE intermixed...since ALL have thier common "Genesis"...in and based ON...the Big Bang" theory..!
"" Earth cooled down..developed a hard ROCKY crust...then it rained for a few million years...the rain washed and wore down the rocks for a few million yrs...and turned the rocks and the chemicals from the rocks and rain into a premoridal soup...!
Millions of millions years later...Somehow the soup came alive...got married...had kids...ate dinner...paid rent..and here WE all are...LOL
Now you guys can FAITH that....if you want...Just don't call IT science...!
Natural selection BTW isn't part of EVO...it's part of creation..it keeps things good..it doesn't make anything NEW..it just improves on whats ALREADY there..."survival of the fittest"...doesn't explain how things got there or how it was created...!
DNA...gives the info that is ALREADY present...it doesn't add something new...a frog is a frog...you can make it have an extra leg if you mess with the dna..but that is MUTATION...
You can't take a frog with frog dna....and get a wing..or a tree branch to grow from it...!
Those "flat earthers" are still out there but not too many of em really...and I see the Evo folks are too...It takes time for them all to go the way of the Dino's..!
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Eph, I see you didn't take anyone's advice on getting yourself educated on the subject. You are repeating Hovind's mistakes... The wise man learns from the mistakes of others, no?
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He is correct though, on one point. The Noah's ark story does require evolution to proceed at a much greater rate than it is observed to in nature...
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Originally posted by seesaw [/i]
That's where you are completely wrong. There IS loads of evidence for evolution. You may disagree with it but the evidence is still there. The Cloneaid group is different they haven't shown any evidence so far.
I guess you are also part of a group of loonies right? You believe in a god and there is no evidence supporting god. But I don't think people believe in god are loonies.
Eph writes...
On all 3 statements you are wrong...and because all 3 are based on "lack of soild study"...!
Oh...did you know that ol Steve at one time was married...and was a champion rower...!
Till his wife became a "believer" in Jesus Christ..??
Then he dumped her....!
Today...He defines what IS and isn't is...for many of his disciples....! I'm not one of his "followers"...!
I believe in THE God...there is only 1 correct choice to make....Jesus Christ...I KNOW that people who believe in ANY other...have been duped...!
Clonaid...champions the "new religion" of the Evo people...and their former leaders...
Like I always say about them...They'll believe anything...but the honest truth..!
That's where you are completely wrong. There IS loads of evidence for evolution. You may disagree with it but the evidence is still there. The Cloneaid group is different they haven't shown any evidence so far.
I guess you are also part of a group of loonies right? You believe in a god and there is no evidence supporting god. But I don't think people believe in god are loonies.
Eph writes...
On all 3 statements you are wrong...and because all 3 are based on "lack of soild study"...!
Oh...did you know that ol Steve at one time was married...and was a champion rower...!
Till his wife became a "believer" in Jesus Christ..??
Then he dumped her....!
Today...He defines what IS and isn't is...for many of his disciples....! I'm not one of his "followers"...!
I believe in THE God...there is only 1 correct choice to make....Jesus Christ...I KNOW that people who believe in ANY other...have been duped...!
Clonaid...champions the "new religion" of the Evo people...and their former leaders...
Like I always say about them...They'll believe anything...but the honest truth..!
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hello seesaw
somebody can't spell it is clonaid. apart from that the chances as you must know that a clone will live afull lifeare poor if it it is true. as an agnostic may I say god have mercy on her soul
somebody can't spell it is clonaid. apart from that the chances as you must know that a clone will live afull lifeare poor if it it is true. as an agnostic may I say god have mercy on her soul
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