Biblical Stories that Support Evolutionary Science

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by seesaw
Ahh... I see.

It would probably make a good horror B-movie, though.

"Attack of the Evo People!"

"Invasion of the Evo People!"

"Night of the Living Evo People!"

I see endless possibilities.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
Is it just me, or does EPHRIAM777 sound exactly like a Hovind video?

Is that what one of his videos sound like?  Thanks Pete, I know not to waste my money now.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Originally posted by seesaw [/i]

Clonaid...champions the "new religion" of the Evo people...and their former leaders...

Like I always say about them...They'll believe anything...but the honest truth..!

Stay on topic please.  You keep making statements without offering evidence.  Either provide proof how the Clonaid Cult is tied to Evolutionary Science...or stop referring to them.

Respectfully,

Smilin

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by Smilin
Is that what one of his videos sound like?  Thanks Pete, I know not to waste my money now.

Yeah, pretty much. Basically, Hovind's typical performance is to deliver a scientific "fact" or several in a row rapid-fire, go into some long-winded anecdotal story (either from the Bible or something else), all the while cracking jokes. To the uninformed layman he sounds very convincing, but if you actually take the time to go over his "facts"... well, I'm sure you know by now.

And you can actually download RealVideo versions of his videos off his web site. That's what I did.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
On all 3 statements you are wrong...and because all 3 are based on "lack of soild study"...!

State your references please EPH.  You claim mainline scienctific studies to be wrong...proving that statement is your responsibility now.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
Yeah, pretty much. Basically, Hovind's typical performance is to deliver a scientific "fact" or several in a row rapid-fire, go into some long-winded anecdotal story (either from the Bible or something else), all the while cracking jokes. To the uninformed layman he sounds very convincing, but if you actually take the time to go over his "facts"... well, I'm sure you know by now.

And you can actually download RealVideo versions of his videos off his web site. That's what I did.

There has been enough evidence presented within this forum in the past year since I've arrived to convince me this guy is not a reliable source.  I question his agenda, and his motives behind leading uninformed Christians astray by presenting his 'facts' without hard data.

I wasted enough time on the YEC 'movement' (15 minutes), before I discarded they're arguments.

You don't know how frustrating it is Pete, to have such people misleading Christians (or anyone else for that matter) on the proven facts and accepted theories of mainline science.

Don't get me wrong, I'm always intrigued with new ideas.  But back to the 'clonaid' group.  Anyone can visit their website, review their claims (the funniest one I found was they had contacted Count Dracula's descendent and enlisted him in their 'cloning efforts') and use proven science to discredit the whole thing as a hoax/cult.  Sadly, though, many will follow for this hogwash.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by sulphur
From another rock lover.I have so many some are in storage. The diversity and organisation of minerals are such that I could never believe that the earth is only 6000 years old

agreed sulphur.

Along with the beautiful cave formations in our mountains here... (some as old as 60 million years old) is undeniable proof the Earth is much older than this new 'YEC movement' would claim.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Originally posted by Smilin [/i]
Eph, I'm a Christian, and I don't know whether to laugh, bang my head into my keyboard now, or scream.


Eph writes...

Well I see you as a Christian...
also haven't tied the subject together yet..( thats because it was packaged that way for you )

 

What do you mean exactly by that statement?

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777

...See the basic formula behind EVO...is "slow...gradual....change...over LONGGGG periods of time...known as...UNIFORMITARIANISM...!

EVO's "believe" or place their FAITH in that the Evo process has taken many "millions" of yrs to happen..Yes or No..?

And these changes occur over vast amounts of time..? Correct...?

Or did EVO change..???

Do things now change "overnight"..or in a few days..?

SO...for Evo to claim that "slow gradual change over vast amounts of time"...has occured is wrong...!


Micro Evo IS possible...But should better be described as "variation"..Dogs produce big dogs..little dogs...fish produce big fish..little fish..

Fish don't produce dogs..nor do Birds produce flowers...!

Macro Evo...using INDEX Fossils...and Geology dating at their base..Is not...Evo is using GEOLOGY to document Evo...and Geology uses Evo to document Geology...thats "circular reasoning"...thinking in a circle...!

Evo says that ALL things came from a common ancestor...WHICH if you trace back the OTHER theories it's all tied into..means We all came from "rocks"....!

Thus the subjects ARE intermixed...since ALL have thier common "Genesis"...in and based ON...the Big Bang" theory..!

"" Earth cooled down..developed a hard ROCKY crust...then it rained for a few million years...the rain washed and wore down the rocks for a few million yrs...and turned the rocks and the chemicals from the rocks and rain into a premoridal soup...!

Millions of millions years later...Somehow the soup came alive...got married...had kids...ate dinner...paid rent..and here WE all are...LOL

Now you guys can FAITH that....if you want...Just don't call IT science...!

Natural selection BTW isn't part of EVO...it's part of creation..it keeps things good..it doesn't make anything NEW..it just improves on whats ALREADY there..."survival of the fittest"...doesn't explain how things got there or how it was created...!

DNA...gives the info that is ALREADY present...it doesn't add something new...a frog is a frog...you can make it have an extra leg if you mess with the dna..but that is MUTATION...

You can't take a frog with frog dna....and get a wing..or a tree branch to grow from it...!

Those "flat earthers" are still out there but not too many of em really...and I see the Evo folks are too...It takes time for them all to go the way of the Dino's..!

Eph,

You accept Natural Selection, Mutation, yet deny Evolutioniary Science.     These occurences are part of what Evolution teaches.  You're in denial and haven't studied the Sciences as you've claimed.  If you have, would you tell us where you were educated and what exactly you studied?  You obviously haven't studied Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Physics etc as you've claimed.

Also, organisms CAN evolve in short periods of times.  A perfect example is the emergence of new bacterial strains within the time frame of just a few generations.

 

 

[LadyShea]

Eph...now you just have your fingers in your ears chanting "la la la I can't hear you cuz I have the truth". If you want to debate, post your sources and evidence to back up your claims. If you want to spew nonsense, go do it to someone gullible.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by LadyShea
Eph...now you just have your fingers in your ears chanting "la la la I can't hear you cuz I have the truth". If you want to debate, post your sources and evidence to back up your claims. If you want to spew nonsense, go do it to someone gullible.

Exactly why I keep responding to him LadyShea,  for those who aren't informed and would buy into someone making statements with no supporting facts.

(Ironically, though... he agrees with evolution and denies it at the same time... huh? )

 

[Jahservant]

The potential for variety within a species could have been hardwired into creation from the start.

 

[RufusAtticus]

Originally posted by Jahservant
The potential for variety within a species could have been hardwired into creation from the start.

Yeap it's called mutation. Once you have an imperfect replicator, evolution will happen. This includes selection, drift, migration, divergence, and other evolutionary forces. Couple this with the ability to exchange information and speciation via reproductive isolation comes into the picture. Yeap, evolution was hardwired from the start of life. In fact, it is probably impossible any form of life to have existed as long as it has on earth without evolution being a fundamental ability.

Oh wait. That wasn't what you were thinking was it?

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
It would probably make a good horror B-movie, though.

"Attack of the Evo People!"

"Invasion of the Evo People!"

"Night of the Living Evo People!"

I see endless possibilities.

LOL

 

[Risen Tree]

Smilin, I assume this is the thread you were talking about...what's the topic of discussion?

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Jahservant
The potential for variety within a species could have been hardwired into creation from the start.

Greetings Jahservant, Welcome to the forum and thanks for participitating in my thread.  (Eph seems to have abandoned the discussion.)

You're hypothesis is part of my personal viewpoint as well.  So you agree that species do evolve?

Also, what are your viewpoints on my two hypothesis posed thus far.  That is, the ethnic diversity of the human race, and the biblical story of two-of-every kind of species contained within a limited volume ark can only be explained if evolutionary science is involved.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
Couple this with the ability to exchange information and speciation via reproductive isolation comes into the picture. Yeap, evolution was hardwired from the start of life.

Thus my assertion:  If we are to accept the biblical account that all humans are descendents of Adam and Eve, or either Noah and his family; the only way to explain the racial diversity among the human race is Evolution due to continental isolation.

Nice comments RA

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Rising Tree
Smilin, I assume this is the thread you were talking about...what's the topic of discussion?

you'll have to scroll and do your homework.  I've made two hypothesis so far that only Evolutionary Science can explain the diversity of the human race, or the current number of species today versus the actual number of species which would have fit into a space restricted ark.

Regards,

Smilin

 

[Risen Tree]

I'm assuming you're referring to macroevolution here.

I once heard a discussion on that topic from an expert in evolution. He said that it is genetically possible to take just about any random man and woman and, via the process of breeding, eventually produce the diversity of the human races that we have today. IIRC the human genes for race and skin color are rather complex.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Rising Tree
I'm assuming you're referring to macroevolution here.

I once heard a discussion on that topic from an expert in evolution. He said that it is genetically possible to take just about any random man and woman and, via the process of breeding, eventually produce the diversity of the human races that we have today. IIRC the human genes for race and skin color are rather complex.

Actually,

I believe the racial diversifications among humans would be microevolution.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  Unless you'd consider the Africans, Asians, etc to be new species.

 

[Risen Tree]

I definitely do not consider the individual races of man to be different species.

And yes, microevolution gives the explanation for the phenomenon.