baptism necessary to be saved???

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Brethren,

What is this baptism of man that you do not believe in?

.............water baptism does not save you.................

We have previously discussed calling God "daddy" and the "trash collector." Now, you refer to the "filthy rags" of Isa. 64:6 as "tampons." I am going to comment on this from several different angles:

1.) The Hebrew word for filthy in Isa. 64:6 is iddim - with a meaning of things passing away. Isa. 64:6 is the only time this Hebrew word is used in the Old Testament. The Hebrew word for rags in Isa. 64:6 is beged - with a meaning of rotten cloak, garment, or covering. This word appears several other times in the Old Testament: 4 times it is translated as apparel, 13 times as cloth, 69 times as clothes, 1 time as clothing, 107 times as garment, 1 time as lap, 1 time as rag, 12 times as raiment, 4 times as robe, 1 time as vesture, & 2 times as wardrobe. (Hebrew references taken from Young's Analytical Concordance) Therefore, there is nothing in the Hebrew words to suggest that the prophet was referring to "tampons" in Isa.64:6.

2.) I am aware of no credible translation that reads "tampons" in Isa.64:6. Are you?

3.) Who told you that "filty rags" meant "tampons?"
Let me guess? You thought of it all by yourself.
(Other readers, bear with me for just a moment of folly.) Perhaps, you envision a tampon falling from the back of God's trash truck.

4.) How well are you familiar with the Old Testament history? Specifically, how familiar are you with feminine hygiene products among Israelite women about 700 B.C.? Were tampons even around back then? Site your reference source with your answer.

Idea came out of my bible when I was younger I will check it out with my strong's and other greek tools...God is a trash collector though if you do not see it that your problem....Romans 3:10-11,23

Recommendation:
Brethren, you entered a discussion of whether or not baptism is necessary for salvation. You write to discourage or draw attention away from the baptism that is necessary - - a baptism in water for the remission of sins. You have yet to comment on any of the points made from Philip's teaching and the eunuch's conversion in Acts 8:35-39. Instead, you throw in rambling points that never seem to connect to anything and never make any real sense. If you are a student of the scriptures, you need to be focusing on the scriptures - - not on the crude terminology that comes from a liberal and carnal mindset.

that's quite a statement florida college judging my motives.
................ARE YOU GOD

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess[agree] with thy mouth the Lord[deity] Jesus[man] and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 for with the heart[personel] man believeth because of righteousness[romans 4:5]; and with the mouth confession is made unto salavation.

1 cor 15:2-4 "good news"

ONCE BELIEF HAPPENS BECAUSE WE ARE SONS [GAL 4:6-7]THE HOLY SPIRIT PUT ME INTO CHRIST [1 COR 12:13]

IF YOUR GETTING CARNAL BECAUSE DISCUSSING SCRIPTURE PLEASE CONFESS YOUR SIN BECAUSE i AM NOT ........TAKES ALOT MORE THAN THIS DISSCUSSION TO GET MY GOAT..

i THINK DISCUSSING SCRIPTURE IS FUN EVEN IF WE DISAGREE

ENJOY THE JOURNEY MY FRIEND

hEBREWS 12:11 nOW NO CHASTENING FOR THE PRESENT SEEMETH TO BE JOYOUS, BUT GRIEVOUS: NEVERLESS AFTERWARD IT YIELDETH THE PEACEABLE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO THEM WHICH ARE EXERCISED THEREBY.

I'll repeat the same verse that I did in the last response: Jn.14:15 - "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Your response was: WHAT COMMANDMENTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. i ONLY KNOW OF ONE COMMANDMENT FOR THE CHURCH.
JOHN 13:34 a NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE UNTO YOU, THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER; AS I HAVE LOVED YOU[ROMANS 5:8] THAT YE ALSO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.[AS CHRIST LOVES ME] Here is what you have done. Jesus plainly said that we must keep his commandments (as in the plural, or more than one). You respond that you only know of one. Someone is wrong here. Either you are right in that there is only one commandment, or the Lord is right - - there are commandments. If you are right, the Lord is wrong. If the Lord is right, you are wrong. Which is it? I put my faith in what the Lord says! You attempt to come across as a student of the word, so why not spend some time and study it?

JUST ASKED FOR VERSES TO THOSE COMMANDMENTS SINCE YOU KNOW OF THEM PLEASE DO NOT GET YOUR PANTIES IN A KNOT

And while you prepare to study the word, review the memos that aggie03 has sent you. These scriptures are frequently listed in those memos: Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Rom 10:9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
Rom 10:17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
You have not addressed these scriptures, nor have you addressed Acts 8:35-39 or Acts 2:38. Why not?
Could it be because you have no answer?

FC

wHAT PROBLEM DO i HAVE THE VERSES GIVE ME YOUR INTERPTATION aND i WILL TELL YOU WHY i DISAGREE ... YOU CAN START FIRST...

WHEN i DISAGREE i GIVE VERSE AND WHY .......YOU JUST GO OFF

 

[aggie03]

I believe the point that Florida College was trying to make is that he wants the discussion to stay on topic. It hasn't been lately, and I will take some of the blame for that. I'm normally very good about trying to make sure that everyone stays on topic with their posts.

The point that Florida College makes is correct, and he was not questioning anyone's motives. Rather, when we post we need to stay on the topic at hand, water baptism and its necessity in our salvation.

if we ever hope to get anywhere in our discussions, we must try earnestly and with all sincerity to discuss this topic and avoid side roads that lead to all manner of diverse topics but the one at hand.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

1 cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea.[on dry ground] 2 And were all bapized unto moses in the cloud and in the sea;

once again a baptizm that no water involved but they believed that God would save them and hold up the water by walking the path between both sides of the river .




and to say that we have to be baptised by water to show that we have given our live to christ though he would like us to it is not a requirement of salvation


job 15:15 Behold, he putteth no trust in His saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in His sight. 16 How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water?


just another reason why God did all the work for are salavation
..............John 6:29................



Once again I believe that Baptism by the Spirit happens at the same time as belief and since we are sons we are given privelges and inheritance even though we did nothing to earn it. We are his sons to love..........

 

[aggie03]

1 cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea.[on dry ground] 2 And were all bapized unto moses in the cloud and in the sea;

once again a baptizm that no water involved but they believed that God would save them and hold up the water by walking the path between both sides of the river .

This is a completely different covenant, they were never commanded to be baptized with water for the remission of their sins. We have been. There is not water baptism for the remission of sins in the Old Testament because it was never commanded of them.

and to say that we have to be baptised by water to show that we have given our live to christ though he would like us to it is not a requirement of salvation

We are not baptized to show anyone anything. We are to be baptized in order that we might receive the remission of our sins (Acts 2:38).

quote]job 15:15 Behold, he putteth no trust in His saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in His sight. 16 How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water? [/quote]

Again, we have discussed this before, you are quoting Eliphaz the Temanite. Just because someone says something in the Bible does not mean that they are correct.

In 1 Samuel 15 king Saul claimed that he utterly destroyed the Amalekites when he really had not. Just because he spoke it didn't make it truth. God has said that Eliphaz the Temanite did not speak correctly concerning him, so his testimony is not correct. This verse that you have quoted does not support what you are trying to say.

just another reason why God did all the work for are salavation
..............John 6:29................

We are told to work the works of God. Our believing is working the work of God. It is something that WE have to do.

Baptism in water for the remission of sins is also something that we are commanded to do. If we are to be obedient to Him, then this is something that we must do. We cannot be obedient, and we cannot have the remission of sins if we are not baptized in water.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Baptism in water for the remission of sins is also something that we are commanded to do. If we are to be obedient to Him, then this is something that we must do. We cannot be obedient, and we cannot have the remission of sins if we are not baptized in water.

romans 10:9 that if thou shalt confess[agree] with thy mouththe Lord[diety] Jesus[man] and shalt believe in thine heart[personel] that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved 10 For with the heart man believeth because of righteousness[romans4:5]; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


what water for remission of sins its by the mouth!!!!!!!

 

[aggie03]

So are you saying that I don't have to believe? Are you saying that I don't have to repent? Of course not, I know that you aren't. You can't take this verse out of the context of the rest of the Bible a brethren. The Bible has outlined confessing Christ as one of the requirements for our salvation. It is only 1 of the requirements!

The Bible has also outlined baptism as one. Water baptism for the remission of sins is necessary for our salvation (1 Peter 3:21, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16)

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

a lot of people are trying to say that we need to water baptism for remission of sins but according to Romans 10:9-10 say it is by the mouth not water

 

[aggie03]

a lot of people are trying to say that we need to water baptism for remission of sins but according to Romans 10:9-10 say it is by the mouth not water

Let's take a look at the text that you are quoting:

Romans 10:9-10 ASV

because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: (10) for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

As far as this verse is concerned there is nothing necessary besides confessing with our mouths and believing in our hearts. Is this what you believe, that this is all we have to do for our salvation?

I should hope not, because this isn't all that the Bible says is necessary for our salvation.

Luke 13:5 ASV

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

The word repent in the previous verse is highlighted in red because it isn't found in the verse that you've listed from Romans. This verse from Luke states explicitly and specifically that unless we repent we will perish. So how do you harmonize Luke 13:5 and Romans 10:9-10? Simple...you consider their sum.

Psalms 119:160a ASV

The sum of thy word is truth

We have to consider the whole counsel of the word of God before we judge what it says. When you only consider one or two verses out of context and apart from the rest of the Bible, you wind up with an incomplete view of salvation. This is what you are doing with that verse from Romans 10.

Based on the sum of God's word, water baptism for the remission of sins is necessary for our salvation.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Let's take a look at the text that you are quoting:

Romans 10:9-10 ASV

because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: (10) for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

As far as this verse is concerned there is nothing necessary besides confessing with our mouths and believing in our hearts. Is this what you believe, that this is all we have to do for our salvation?

I should hope not, because this isn't all that the Bible says is necessary for our salvation.

Luke 13:5 ASV

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

The word repent in the previous verse is highlighted in red because it isn't found in the verse that you've listed from Romans. This verse from Luke states explicitly and specifically that unless we repent we will perish. So how do you harmonize Luke 13:5 and Romans 10:9-10? Simple...you consider their sum.

I highlighted confess because it is basical the same word as repent

Psalms 119:160a ASV

The sum of thy word is truth

We have to consider the whole counsel of the word of God before we judge what it says. When you only consider one or two verses out of context and apart from the rest of the Bible, you wind up with an incomplete view of salvation. This is what you are doing with that verse from Romans 10.

your tune every time .....................

Romans 4:5 But to him that workth not but believeth on him that justified the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

keep ignoring the verses that bother you...........

titus 3:5 Not by good works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us by the regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost

John 6:29 ......This is the work of God, that ye belief on him whom he hath sent.

Eph 2:8 For by grace[undeserved ] are ye saved [past and continuely] through faith[heb 11:1] and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God 9 Not of works lest any man should boast.

not my words But God's in many different verses need more

Based on the sum of God's word, water baptism for the remission of sins is necessary for our salvation.

nOT ACCORDING TO ROMANS 10:9-10

 

[aggie03]

I highlighted confess because it is basical the same word as repent

In Romans 10:9-10, confess does not mean the same thing as repent. This is not talking about confessing sins, but about confessing Christ as Lord. We have an example of this in Acts 8 with the Ethiopian Eunuch:

Acts 8:35-38 ASV

And Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture, preached unto him Jesus. (36) And as they went on the way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch saith, Behold, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? (37) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (38) And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Here we have the example of Philip preaching to the eunuch. What did he preach? He preached Jesus. After this preaching the eunuch understood that he needed to be baptized, which means that baptism is included in the preaching of Jesus, but there was still something keeping him from being baptized: he needed to confess. So the eunuch confesses Christ as the Son of God and is baptized for the remission of his sins, and then he is saved. He has heard the word of God, he believed, He confessed, we know he had to repent because of Luke 13, and he was baptized. Then after all these things he went on his way rejoicing because he was saved.

your tune every time .....................

Not my tune, friend, but God's. This is what the Bible teaches, so this is what I preach.

Romans 4:5 But to him that workth not but believeth on him that justified the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

There is something that I think you still don't yet understand. You cannot believe without being obedient. You cannot have the faith that God wants and not be obedient. Here is a verse that illustrates that perfectly. I've used several different version of the Bible so that you can see exactly what I'm talking about:

John 3:36

NIV: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him

NASB: He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

NLT: And all who believe in God's Son have eternal life. Those who don't obey the Son will never experience eternal life, but the wrath of God remains upon them."

KJV: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

ESV: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

ASV: He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

YLT: he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'

Obedience is inclusive in belief .

keep ignoring the verses that bother you...........

They don't bother me, and yes we have covered them time and time again, you just never seem to like to read how we harmonize them, but rather like to pull them out of context to suit what you like. I'm not being rude, just stating what appears to be obvious to me.

 

[Florida College]

Brethren,

You and aggie03 have been busy responding to each other. I'm picking up right where you and I left off.

You say water baptism does not save. Here is what I would like for you to do: type Acts 8: 35-39 for me. Yea, that's right, type the passages - - it won't take very long. So far, you haven't even acknowledged that these verses are in the bible. So if you will type them, then I will know for sure that you at least have looked at them.

Then you can help me answer the following questions from Acts 8:35-39:
* What did Philip preach in vs. 35?
* Fill in the blank in vs. 36 - "See, here is _________. What hinders me from being baptized?"
* Philip and the eunuch went down into something in vs. 38. What did they go down into?
* Philip and the eunuch came up out of something in vs. 39. What did they come up out of?

The idea of using "tampons" instead of "filthy rags" in Isa. 64:6 did not come out of your bible - - the idea came out of your head!

I am not God. Is that an issue? The issue is your carnal, flippant, and liberal use of bible terminology. I determined that by your actions, not by examining your heart.

I am not trying to get your goat. But I would make a suggestion: why not exchange your goat for a sheep - see Matt. 25:31-46?

You still did not solve the dilemma between Jesus' teaching (commandments) and your understanding (only one commandment). Someone is wrong. Does anyone need 3 guesses to figure out who it is?

I will give you a hint of one command you're overlooking. Fill in this blank: "Can anyone forbid
_______, that these should not be baptized . . ." - Acts 10:47. Also, he ______________ them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" - Acts 10:48.

FC

 

[AlexK]

Those passages in Acts result from the persecution Christians were receiving at the time, not the need for water baptism to save your soul.

Water baptism was a public display of Christianity. Of course, Peter would say, "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water?" Meaning, can anybody who is persecuting us prevent these public declarations?

To say water baptism is necessary for salvation is heresy. It would mean the criminal on the cross next to Jesus never entered paradise. For to have entered paradise, he would have had to removed himself from the cross to seek water baptism.

 

[aggie03]

To Alexk:

Hello I'm glad that you have chosen to take part in our discussion! To give you a little info about myself, I believe in the Bible and the Bible alone for determining how, what, when, where and why we ought to do things. It is the sole guide given to us by God so that we might know what is pleasing to Him.

Those passages in Acts result from the persecution Christians were receiving at the time, not the need for water baptism to save your soul.

Can you show me where the Bible states this?

Water baptism was a public display of Christianity.

Can you show me where the Bible states explicitly and specifically that baptism is nothing more than a public display?

To say water baptism is necessary for salvation is heresy.

I do hope that you realize the weight of your statement. It would mean that by preaching baptism as necessary for our salvation, and believing that, I would be condemned. There is also a flipside to that: if you are wrong, then you're the one in trouble. Because this is very serious, just as you have pointed out, I would invite you to continue studying with us so that we may learn more perfectly what the scriptures teach .

It would mean the criminal on the cross next to Jesus never entered paradise. For to have entered paradise, he would have had to removed himself from the cross to seek water baptism.

The interesting point about the theif on the cross that most people either ignore or don't know is that He was under the Old Covenant, so water baptism for the remission of sins wasn't necessary for him anyway. Alos. when Christ mentioned the word paradise He was referring to a division in a place called Sheol. You can read about this in Luke 16, I believe verses 19-31.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

How does an ungodly man be obiedient???

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Brethren,

You and aggie03 have been busy responding to each other. I'm picking up right where you and I left off.

You say water baptism does not save. Here is what I would like for you to do: type Acts 8: 35-39 for me. Yea, that's right, type the passages - - it won't take very long. So far, you haven't even acknowledged that these verses are in the bible. So if you will type them, then I will know for sure that you at least have looked at them.

Then you can help me answer the following questions from Acts 8:35-39:
* What did Philip preach in vs. 35?
* Fill in the blank in vs. 36 - "See, here is _________. What hinders me from being baptized?"
* Philip and the eunuch went down into something in vs. 38. What did they go down into?
* Philip and the eunuch came up out of something in vs. 39. What did they come up out of?

The idea of using "tampons" instead of "filthy rags" in Isa. 64:6 did not come out of your bible - - the idea came out of your head!

I am not God. Is that an issue? The issue is your carnal, flippant, and liberal use of bible terminology. I determined that by your actions, not by examining your heart.

I am not trying to get your goat. But I would make a suggestion: why not exchange your goat for a sheep - see Matt. 25:31-46?

You still did not solve the dilemma between Jesus' teaching (commandments) and your understanding (only one commandment). Someone is wrong. Does anyone need 3 guesses to figure out who it is?

I will give you a hint of one command you're overlooking. Fill in this blank: "Can anyone forbid
_______, that these should not be baptized . . ." - Acts 10:47. Also, he ______________ them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" - Acts 10:48.

FC

since you will not answer my question I will give you the verse since you are use statement without backing them up

The Law of Christ

John 13:34 A new kind of commandment I give unto you, that ye love[agape/action] one another[gal 6:10]; as I have loved you[romans 5:8], that ye love one another.

John 14:15 If ye love me [Christ], keep my commandments.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me: and he that loveth of my father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:9 as the Father glorified, that ye bear much much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples 10 If ye keep my commandments , ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friend.

1 john 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another

1 john 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth[mild] his brother, he is liar: for he that loveth[agape] not his brother whom we hath seen, how can he love[agape] God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

Gal 6:2 Bear ye onother burdens, and so fulfill the Law of Christ.


Do ya love me?

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Once again I believe that God saved me by convince me according to John 16:8-11 that when the Holy Spirit come upon me that I believe ,do to the HOLY Spirit Convincing work. AT this exact same moment The Holy Spirit puts me into Christ [1 cor 12:13, titus 3:5]

Has any one read this????


the depravity of man is the reason why God Has to help us in our salvation process Gen 6:5, Gen 8:21, Romans 3:10-11, Romans 4:5

How does the ungodly have faith[ro 4:5] which is by the Spirit [gal 5:22-23, 1 cor 2:10]

 

[Florida College]

Originally Posted By: Florida College

Brethren,

You didn't seem to respond at all to my note. So here it is again. If I didn't have a love and concern for you, I would not labor so diligently to reason with you from the scriptures.

You and aggie03 have been busy responding to each other. I'm picking up right where you and I left off.

You say water baptism does not save. Here is what I would like for you to do: type Acts 8: 35-39 for me. Yea, that's right, type the passages - - it won't take very long. So far, you haven't even acknowledged that these verses are in the bible. So if you will type them, then I will know for sure that you at least have looked at them.

Then you can help me answer the following questions from Acts 8:35-39:
* What did Philip preach in vs. 35?
* Fill in the blank in vs. 36 - "See, here is _________. What hinders me from being baptized?"
* Philip and the eunuch went down into something in vs. 38. What did they go down into?
* Philip and the eunuch came up out of something in vs. 39. What did they come up out of?

The idea of using "tampons" instead of "filthy rags" in Isa. 64:6 did not come out of your bible - - the idea came out of your head!

I am not God. Is that an issue? The issue is your carnal, flippant, and liberal use of bible terminology. I determined that by your actions, not by examining your heart.

I am not trying to get your goat. But I would make a suggestion: why not exchange your goat for a sheep - see Matt. 25:31-46?

You still did not solve the dilemma between Jesus' teaching (commandments) and your understanding (only one commandment). Someone is wrong. Does anyone need 3 guesses to figure out who it is?

I will give you a hint of one command you're overlooking. Fill in this blank: "Can anyone forbid
_______, that these should not be baptized . . ." - Acts 10:47. Also, he ______________ them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" - Acts 10:48.

FC

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Act 8:27 .......and had come to Jersalem for to worship {at the Temple, OT believer}

Jews have the problem of saying Jesus was God

Vs 30 Had read OT

Vs 32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was lead as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so open he not his mouth.

vs 37 .....I believe that Jesus[man] Christ[glorified] is the Son of God.

Baptism of the HS was not instantanous as We have right now this book is transitional

Vs 38 water
vs 39 spirit

Belief saves just like romans 4:5 but this man is Godly

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Originally Posted By: Florida College

Brethren,


I am not God. Is that an issue? The issue is your carnal, flippant, and liberal use of bible terminology. I determined that by your actions, not by examining your heart.


FC

How did you get inside of me??? this is getting weird

 

[aggie03]

Act 8:27 .......and had come to Jersalem for to worship {at the Temple, OT believer}

Jews have the problem of saying Jesus was God

There are more than Jews who have this problem, like atheists, christadelphians, Jehovah's witnesses, agnostics...the list goes on. The eunuch had to confess Christ as Lord because that is one of the conditions of salvation, just we were talking about earlier from Romans 10:9-10.

Vs 38 water
vs 39 spirit

So Philip and eunuch went down into the water and never came out. I don't think that you're being intellectually honest with you yourself, a brethren. If verse 38 is talking about water, then verse 39 is also necessarily talking about water.

Belief saves just like romans 4:5 but this man is Godly

Belief alone doesn't do anything, as Florida College has pointed out many times, the book James contradicts that idea rather pointedly. The fact is that this eunuch needed to be saved, he needed to have his sins forgiven. He heard, believed, confessed, we can assume repent because of Luke 13, and was baptized in the name of Christ (in water) for the remission of his sins.

We've talked about this once alread before here:
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=949843&postcount=230