Australians could require four or five jabs to be considered ‘up to date’

[JustSomeBloke]

Australians could require four or five jabs to be considered ‘up to date’ with COVID-19 vaccines

Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) chair Nigel Crawford made the admission while appearing before a Senate estimates committee on Wednesday.

Asked by Liberal senator Alex Antic if he could assure Australians they would not be required to get four or even five doses to be considered up to date, Professor Crawford could offer no such guarantee.

National Cabinet last week agreed last week that three doses are now required to be considered “up to date,” a term that replaces “fully vaccinated”.

Has the penny dropped yet? You will never be 'fully vaccinated'. Having coerced most of the population to take two jabs, they're now moving the goal posts so that people have to be 'up to date'.

No one has ever complied their way out of tyranny. If you allow the school bully to steal your lunch money on Monday, they'll come back again and again everyday, until you stand up to them and say no.

And is anyone really surprised that someone who created a computer OS that continually requires updates, is one of the architects of a tyrannical system that requires continual vaccination in order to remain 'up to date'?

 

[Bradskii]

And is anyone really surprised that someone who created a computer OS that continually requires updates, is one of the architects of a tyrannical system that requires continual vaccination in order to remain 'up to date'?

What..?

 

[A_Thinker]

Australians could require four or five jabs to be considered ‘up to date’ with COVID-19 vaccines

Oh, ... the horror ...

 

[Aryeh Jay]

What..?

It's true, I've had 32 "flu" shots and still need to have a "booster"

 

[KCfromNC]

Oh, ... the horror ...

Next thing you know medical professionals will be recommending annual flu shots or something.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

The vast majority of people don't even need a covid vaccine.

But a very large majority of people are unable to understand basic numbers and statistics.

The UK government has just decided to offer covid vaccines to all 5-11 year olds. This demographic has a six-nines probability of surviving a covid infection. As health policies go, it doesn't get much more unscientific, unethical, and unhinged than that.

 

[Larniavc]

Australians could require four or five jabs to be considered ‘up to date’ with COVID-19 vaccines

Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) chair Nigel Crawford made the admission while appearing before a Senate estimates committee on Wednesday.

Asked by Liberal senator Alex Antic if he could assure Australians they would not be required to get four or even five doses to be considered up to date, Professor Crawford could offer no such guarantee.

National Cabinet last week agreed last week that three doses are now required to be considered “up to date,” a term that replaces “fully vaccinated”.

Has the penny dropped yet? You will never be 'fully vaccinated'. Having coerced most of the population to take two jabs, they're now moving the goal posts so that people have to be 'up to date'.

No one has ever complied their way out of tyranny. If you allow the school bully to steal your lunch money on Monday, they'll come back again and again everyday, until you stand up to them and say no.

And is anyone really surprised that someone who created a computer OS that continually requires updates, is one of the architects of a tyrannical system that requires continual vaccination in order to remain 'up to date'?

Oh dear what a pity; never mind.

 

[KCfromNC]

The vast majority of people don't even need a covid vaccine.

But a very large majority of people are unable to understand basic numbers and statistics.

The UK government has just decided to offer covid vaccines to all 5-11 year olds. This demographic has a six-nines probability of surviving a covid infection.

Oh well, if kids aren't literally dying in the street there's no point in doing anything at all. Might as well just give up. No point in trying to reduce case loads, keep it from being spread to teachers and student's families, no point at all. None of those experts (the ones who collect the mortality data) have even remotely thought this through, obviously.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Oh well, if kids aren't literally dying in the street there's no point in doing anything at all. Might as well just give up. No point in trying to reduce case loads, keep it from being spread to teachers and student's families, no point at all. None of those experts (the ones who collect the mortality data) have even remotely thought this through, obviously.

It's long-established medical ethics that treatment has to be for the benefit of the person receiving the treatment. It is absolutely not the role of small children to protect others from a virus that small children are 99.9999 likely to survive. And the covid vaccines don't even produce sterilising immunity, so your argument is baseless in any case. It is also long-established medical ethics that people have to consent to medical treatment, and any kind of coercion is wrong and invalidates the process of obtaining consent.

The video below illustrates what the vaccinate-everyone advocates are pushing for. And it shows that they have the blood of small children on their hands:

Video description: A young mother tearfully describes the death of her three year old daughter the day after taking her for covid vaccination. She had been coerced into getting her daughter vaccinated so that her daughter could go to school/kindergarten.

If you can't understand Spanish, switch on subtitles and select auto-translate to English in the settings.

And before anyone starts with Genetic Logical Fallacies, please note that Telefe Tucumán is a national TV broadcaster in Argentina.

 

[wing2000]

Asked by Liberal senator Alex Antic if he could assure Australians they would not be required to get four or even five doses to be considered up to date, Professor Crawford could offer no such guarantee.

...well of course no one can offer such a guarantee. What a stupid question.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Australians could require four or five jabs to be considered ‘up to date’ with COVID-19 vaccines

Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) chair Nigel Crawford made the admission while appearing before a Senate estimates committee on Wednesday.

Asked by Liberal senator Alex Antic if he could assure Australians they would not be required to get four or even five doses to be considered up to date, Professor Crawford could offer no such guarantee.

National Cabinet last week agreed last week that three doses are now required to be considered “up to date,” a term that replaces “fully vaccinated”.

Has the penny dropped yet? You will never be 'fully vaccinated'. Having coerced most of the population to take two jabs, they're now moving the goal posts so that people have to be 'up to date'.

No one has ever complied their way out of tyranny. If you allow the school bully to steal your lunch money on Monday, they'll come back again and again everyday, until you stand up to them and say no.

And is anyone really surprised that someone who created a computer OS that continually requires updates, is one of the architects of a tyrannical system that requires continual vaccination in order to remain 'up to date'?

It is turning into dictatorial insanity. How many are required before they just admit that it only "works" for 3-6 months or so?

Not to mention that millions, probably billions have been exposed and/or recovered from active infection by now and have natural immunity. Oh, and that one other little inconvenient fact that the jab prevents neither transmission or contraction regardless.

Time to move on.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Children have a higher chance of dying from the vaccine than from covid.

How is it not obvious to everyone, these mandates are about money and control?

 

[wing2000]

It is turning into dictatorial insanity.

If Australia is "dictatorial insanity", how would you describe China's policy?

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

If Australia is "dictatorial insanity", how would you describe China's policy?

Dictatorial insanity on steroids. I saw the hordes dressed in hazmat suits (!!) as the Olympians entered the airport (with a news camera following them).

 

[JustSomeBloke]

...well of course no one can offer such a guarantee. What a stupid question.

How is that a 'stupid question'? This whole thing started with 'two weeks to slow the spread'. Two years later, and you're saying people are 'stupid' for asking when it will end?

In Canada their progression was:
1. Two weeks to slow the spread
2. No jab no job
3. Bank account frozen if you protest

Many things that started off being labelled as a 'conspiracy theory' are now reality. From that point of view, it looks very much like we are in the 'totalitarian tiptoe', a million tiny steps to remove all rights and freedoms.

 

[KCfromNC]

It's long-established medical ethics that treatment has to be for the benefit of the person receiving the treatment. It is absolutely not the role of small children to protect others from a virus that small children are 99.9999 likely to survive.

Is the argument that the only role of medicine is to address ailments which are guaranteed to be 100% fatal? Because as it stands, there are either some really weird unstated assumptions or it is nonsensical.

And the covid vaccines don't even produce sterilising immunity, so your argument is baseless in any case.

It does reduce the chances of getting covid. And of being hospitalized. And dying. Not sure why it being less than 100% perfect is an argument for much of anything.

The video below illustrates what the vaccinate-everyone advocates are pushing for.

Vaccine advocates are pushing for unverified anecdotes to be used instead of actual medical research to determine the safety of preventative measures? Citation needed.

 

[KCfromNC]

Children have a higher chance of dying from the vaccine than from covid.

If only there was actual evidence for this claim.

 

[KCfromNC]

How is that a 'stupid question'? This whole thing started with 'two weeks to slow the spread'. Two years later, and you're saying people are 'stupid' for asking when it will end?

In Canada their progression was:
1. Two weeks to slow the spread
2. No jab no job
3. Bank account frozen if you protest

Many things that started off being labelled as a 'conspiracy theory' are now reality. From that point of view, it looks very much like we are in the 'totalitarian tiptoe', a million tiny steps to remove all rights and freedoms.

I'm curious how accurate this chart actually is. Can you provide a quote of medical professionals from Feb 2021 saying that it was 100% guaranteed that vaccinated individuals could never possibly spread covid?

I know the second claim is a falsehood, per this bit of reporting from "A year ago" : The good and the (potentially) bad: What scientists know about variants and Covid-19 vaccines

But not even being able to get past the second line without a falsehood doesn't really inspire much confidence that this table is in any way related to reality. Credibility is hard to gain, and easy to lose.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

I'm not sure I understand. Is the argument that the only role of medicine is to address ailments which are 100% fatal?



It does reduce the chances of getting covid. And of being hospitalized. And dying. Not sure why it being less than 100% perfect is an argument for much of anything.



Vaccine advocates are pushing for unverified anecdotes to be used instead of actual medical research to determine the safety of preventative measures? Citation needed.

It looks like you just want to ignore the most basic medical ethics and human rights. That is, voluntary and informed consent without coercion, and bodily autonomy.

I'm curious how accurate this chary actually is. Can you provide a quote of medical professionals from Feb 2021 saying that it was 100% guaranteed that vaccinated individuals could never possibly spread covid?

Joe Biden said that vaccinated people will not get infected with covid, and that implies that they will not spread covid (unless you believe that someone can spread a disease that they don't have):

"you’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations"

So I guess that means that the President of the US was taking advice from people who weren't medical professionals. But how would he do that? The pro-vaxxers keep telling us that CDC and FDA employees are the only experts, and that everyone with alternative views is a conspiracy theorist. Or was Joe Biden just making stuff up?

from Feb 2021

Don't wear out your keyboard pointing out that it wasn't exactly one year. I'm not interested in pointless pedantry. Joe Biden has been pushing vaccine misinformation, and he most likely got that misinformation from the CDC and FDA employees that pro-vaxxers claim are experts.

 

[A_Thinker]

"you’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations"

President Biden didn't say this. He said ...

"There’s a simple, basic proposition: If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."