Australia votes YES to same sex marriage

[durangodawood]

Well pretty much... She killed Christians...

So youre guessing.

Besides, lots of Christians killed other Christians.

 

[durangodawood]

I can. It's a standard deflection.

Its an excellent example of how morals evolve.

 

[HereIStand]

Its an excellent example of how morals evolve.

We're becoming so civilized we'll eventually evolve past all morals.

 

[durangodawood]

We're becoming so civilized we'll eventually evolve past all morals.

OK. Youre right. We should stop the moral clock at 1840. Noo, maybe 1620. How about the year 100?

 

[HereIStand]

OK. Youre right. We should stop the moral clock at 1840. Noo, maybe 1620. How about the year 100?

I'll take 1620.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Lololol.... I named my youngest after Elaine. And she's funny! Thank God!

 

[durangodawood]

I'll take 1620.

Ugh... You cant have it!

Sorry, I dont mean that. No ill will here.

 

[Zoii]

@ThatRobGuy I just love how she carries a fether duster and wears a smock, while in high heels, lipstick and has perfect hair. Whats in those vitamins shes taking

 

[mindlight]

Australia has strongly voted in favour of Same Sex Marriage in its plebesite. The next stage is legislation.
Live: Yes vote wins in SSM survey, way clear for law change by Christmas

Sad day, sign of the times

 

[Zoii]

Sad day, sign of the times

Sign of what time?
And while some Germans may not like Australias decision, the large majority of Australians do. Some simply because they support SSM, while others couldnt tolerate existing prejudicial laws.

 

[*Starlight*]

Limited though it is, my experience is that men of past generations are more authentically masculine than men today. That includes me. To note small example...my mother once told me of a time when a group of men were swearing within ear shot of she and my father. In response, he said something to the effect of "Don't you see there's a lady here?" I can't see me or most men today reacting that way.
There are certainly men who hit the gym and drink protein drinks. But their masculinity seems more forced than natural. Maybe it's the lack of the draft for men now. For a modern female perspective, these are good insights.

The thing is, it's impossible for all men to be "authentically masculine", because masculinity is a set of stereotypes that some people fit and others don't. There's nothing wrong with being masculine, just like there's nothing wrong with not being masculine, but authenticity happens only when someone is allowed to be themselves. In a society of authentic people, some men would be masculine, and other wouldn't. So if, in a society, all or almost all men appear masculine to you, then you can be sure that at least some of them aren't authentic at all, only pretending in order to avoid harm.

 

[HereIStand]

The thing is, it's impossible for all men to be "authentically masculine", because masculinity is a set of stereotypes that some people fit and others don't. There's nothing wrong with being masculine, just like there's nothing wrong with not being masculine, but authenticity happens only when someone is allowed to be themselves. In a society of authentic people, some men would be masculine, and other wouldn't. So if, in a society, all or almost all men appear masculine to you, then you can be sure that at least some of them aren't authentic at all, only pretending in order to avoid harm.

I see what you mean. It's hard to define. But the masculinity I'm referring to is unforced. My father is in is 80s. Growing up, it seemed that he and my uncles were naturally masculine, even if they weren't physically imposing. My father is 5' 9'' and on the thin side, but he had (and has) an edge to him that men seem to lack now.

 

[KCfromNC]

Okay, but this is the end, right? Nothing left to progress on, because everybody has their rights now.

No idea what this has to do with my post. I'm seeing this a lot recently.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We're becoming so civilized we'll eventually evolve past all morals.

No, we'll just evolve past the old morals and have new ones. That's how it works.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'll take 1620.

You probably wouldn't with a little study.

 

[JackRT]

You probably wouldn't with a little study.

The "good old days" usually were not.

 

[trunks2k]

The "good old days" usually were not.

Oh they were... just for a certain subset of people.

 

[Landon Caeli]

No idea what this has to do with my post. I'm seeing this a lot recently.

Sometimes I just direct questions toward people who I respect. Sorry about that. Won't happen again.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Oh they were... just for a certain subset of people.

At least there's not much farther we can go at this point, is there..? At least not for humanity.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The thing is, it's impossible for all men to be "authentically masculine", because masculinity is a set of stereotypes that some people fit and others don't. There's nothing wrong with being masculine, just like there's nothing wrong with not being masculine, but authenticity happens only when someone is allowed to be themselves. In a society of authentic people, some men would be masculine, and other wouldn't. So if, in a society, all or almost all men appear masculine to you, then you can be sure that at least some of them aren't authentic at all, only pretending in order to avoid harm.

Growing up, kids tend to idolize their uncles, or cousins or maybe their dad... it all depends on who leaves the biggest impression.

I guess I idolized my uncle, who was a very generous person but had some bad streaks in him. He wasnt "masculine" per se, he was a skinny red head who was an alcoholic gun fanatic, who offered me cigarettes and playboy magazines when I was 6 because he was a care-free kind of individual.

Ive always wanted to be a care-free individual like that. Not alpha or beta. Just care free. Like James Dean.

We only saw uncle Tim once every couple years, because grandmas house was so far away. And he's currently gone missing since gram and gramps passed away. He must be in his 60's by now, and still a rebel... What a guy! ....If he's still alive.