Greece becomes first Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex marriage

[essentialsaltes]

Greece on Thursday became the first majority Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex marriage — a watershed moment for the country’s LGBTQ community, which has long fought for visibility and rights in the shadow of the highly influential Greek church.

The bill also allows same-sex couples to adopt children and confers full parental rights on married partners, though it stops short of permitting gay couples to become parents through surrogacy, a limitation that has drawn criticism from rights groups.

Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said on social media that Greece is “proud to become the 16th E.U. country to legislate marriage equality.” He called the step “a milestone for human rights, reflecting today’s Greece — a progressive, and democratic country, passionately committed to European values.”


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[Basil learns of Kurt's crush on Manuel]
Basil Fawlty : I should never have hired a Frenchman.
Polly : He's Greek, Mr. Fawlty.
Basil Fawlty : Greek?
Polly : Of course.
Basil Fawlty : Well, that's even worse. I mean, they invented it.

 

[linux.poet]

Every time same-sex marriage gets legalized, I think about the children who have to suffer from having same-sex parents. May the Lord judge and punish the leaders of Greece for their misdeeds.

 

[trophy33]

Every time same-sex marriage gets legalized, I think about the children who have to suffer from having same-sex parents. May the Lord judge and punish the leaders of Greece for their misdeeds.

They would have them anyway, as long as those parents live together. Marriage does not change that.

 

[linux.poet]

They would have them anyway, as long as those parents live together. Marriage does not change that.

Many adoption agencies will not give children to unmarried people.

 

[trophy33]

Many adoption agencies will not give children to unmarried people.

The vast majority of same-sex parents have their children from previous relationships, not from adoption, though.

 

[Lukaris]

I could care less about the secular law. What concerns me is what this means for the Church to preach according to the Bible. For ex. if a priest or pastor preaches that we are created male & female and it is those in which we believe God says that is what a human marriage is ( Mark 10:1-12). Will the secularist “rights” authority say such preaching violates their interpretation of “rights”?

 

[trophy33]

I could care less about the secular law. What concerns me is what this means for the Church to preach according to the Bible. For ex. if a priest or pastor preaches that we are created male & female and it is those in which we believe God says that is what a human marriage is ( Mark 10:1-12). Will the secularist “rights” authority say such preaching violates their interpretation of “rights”?

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[Laodicean60]

I think about the children who have to suffer from having same-sex parents.

How are they suffering if they are loved?

 

[RileyG]

How awful

 

[BCP1928]

I could care less about the secular law. What concerns me is what this means for the Church to preach according to the Bible. For ex. if a priest or pastor preaches that we are created male & female and it is those in which we believe God says that is what a human marriage is ( Mark 10:1-12). Will the secularist “rights” authority say such preaching violates their interpretation of “rights”?

No, because the secular authorities have no control over the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony or who it is administered to. And since the secular authorities are not administering that Sacrament themselves I don't see how the Church has any complaint.

 

[RileyG]

I could care less about the secular law. What concerns me is what this means for the Church to preach according to the Bible. For ex. if a priest or pastor preaches that we are created male & female and it is those in which we believe God says that is what a human marriage is ( Mark 10:1-12). Will the secularist “rights” authority say such preaching violates their interpretation of “rights”?

Exactly! We are seeing it a lot in the USA where LGBT propaganda is constantly shoved down our throats.

 

[RileyG]

Every time same-sex marriage gets legalized, I think about the children who have to suffer from having same-sex parents. May the Lord judge and punish the leaders of Greece for their misdeeds.

Amen!

 

[Laodicean60]

Exactly! We are seeing it a lot in the USA where LGBT propaganda is constantly shoved down our throats.

Didn't we shove our propaganda down their throats, turn or burn? Didn't Christians start the warfare by pointing out a group of people's sins? When we have a multitude of our own. When all we are supposed to do is share the gospel.

 

[BCP1928]

You know, if I was a Democrat I might start thinking that it was time for the LGBT folks to take a hit for the team and go back in the closet for a while. The Dems have handled this particular front of the culture war very badly and there are more important issues at hand.

 

[trophy33]

Didn't we shove our propaganda down their throats, turn or burn? Didn't Christians start the warfare by pointing out a group of people's sins? When we have a multitude of our own. When all we are supposed to do is share the gospel.

No, we did not. Its a generalization based upon a group identity and basically establishing a collective guilt.

Other people did it and we can learn from it.

 

[Laodicean60]

Other people did it and we can learn from it.

who are these other people?

 

[trophy33]

who are these other people?

Inquisitors, popes, radical reformers, various Christian kingdoms and rulers, who used violence against people who were not living according to their specific dogmatic flavors.

 

[Laodicean60]

Didn't Christians start the warfare

Inquisitors, popes, radical reformers, various Christian kingdoms and rulers, who used violence against people who were not living according to their specific dogmatic flavors.

Aren't some of these Christians? Is LGBTQ living up to your beliefs?

 

[trophy33]

Aren't some of these Christians?

I reacted to this:

Didn't we shove our propaganda down their throats, turn or burn?

No, we did not. Its a generalization based upon a group identity and basically establishing a collective guilt.

Other people did it and we can learn from it.

 

[Laodicean60]

I reacted to this:

Now take out the WE. Didn't Christians start the warfare?