ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

[Not David]

This verse also supports pretrib rapture. Notice the bold speaks of escaping.

Luke 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

It is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord, Ralph Woodrow eventually learned that his book Babylon Mystery Religion was historically inaccurate. He had both the humility and honor to remove it from publication and repudiate it. I suggest you visit his site and find out why he did so.

Thanks brother Monk Brendan. Yes I am aware that Ralph Woodrow withdrew his book now thanks for sharing. Most of his work from Babylon Mystery Religion was a continued work from the much larger historical works of The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop. You may wish to have a read of a review of the reasons of Ralph Woodrow withdrawal of his publication and his comments on Hislops works here click me linked for your own interest. You might find it interesting. These by the way are only a few references that are easily downloadable as PDF's through Google. There are many more.

God bless

 

[1stcenturylady]

It is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

Not necessarily. The chapter goes back and forth between the destruction of the temple and the second coming. The destruction of the temple Luke 21:5-6, then the second coming and end times Luke 21:7-19, then back to the destruction of the temple, Luke 21:20-24, then back to the end times Luke 21:25-28. The verse in question is this further down the chapter:

Luke 21:
34 “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Granted, the destruction of the temple of 70 AD is mentioned, but that is not all that is in that chapter, nor Matthew 24, nor Mark 13.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Thanks brother Monk Brendan. Yes I am aware that Ralph Woodrow withdrew his book now thanks for sharing. Most of his work from Babylon Mystery Religion was a continued work from the much larger historical works of The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop. You may wish to have a read of a review of the reasons of Ralph Woodrow withdrawal of his publication and his comments on Hislops works here click me linked for your own interest. You might find it interesting. These by the way are only a few references that are easily downloadable as PDF's through Google. There are many more.

God bless

Yikes, it's long. In a nutshell, was he for or against The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop? I have it, but have never read it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yikes, it's long. In a nutshell, was he for or against The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop? I have it, but have never read it.

The Two Babylons is really interesting showing the origins of many customs holidays and practices from the Mother Church that we have today. It is quite large and is a resource more than anything also comparing many images in the church to their origin in paganism. Take a look at it if you can. Woordrow was for it but then latter turned against it. Some of the reasons and arguments for and against are outlined here click me.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Not true.


The Church is resurrected and raptured at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

At His coming -

• the dead in Christ will rise first.

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

The other thing that occurs at the coming of the Lord along with the resurrection and rapture is the destruction of the wicked, including the antichrist.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8




JLB

Don't you realize that the Great Tribulation is before the return of Christ? Maybe that is your problem in understanding that the two passages that we both are looking at are the actual second coming of Christ, the only time the Church will be raptured.

I do realize that the Second Coming of Christ is at the end of the 7 year tribulation the last 3 and a half years of the 7 known as The Great Tribulation where Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives.
Not to be confused when the Church meets Him in the air/clouds which happens before. Which is the removal of the Bride (the Church).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am not at all presumptuous to say that.

I've seen it for myself in SDA literature.

Always assume that any thread an SDA starts will eventually lead to a sabbath debate or Rome and the Papacy in Revelation.
Sorry.......this is just another rabbit trail.....

Btw, did anyone notice my post on the rapture of the 2 witnesses

ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

These have been sealed, but yet kill during the great tribulation during the 1st century, because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus

Acts 12:
1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church.
2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread.

The impending deaths of Peter and Paul:

2 peter 1:14 Having known that speedily is the putting off/apoqesiV <595> off the booth/skhnw-matoV <4638> of me,
according as also the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, makes evident to me.
2 Timothy 4:6
6 for I am already being poured out, and the time of my release hath arrived; 7 the good strife I have striven, the course I have finished, the faith I have kept, 8 henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of the righteousness that the Lord — the Righteous Judge — shall give to me in that day, and not only to me, but also to all those loving his manifestation.

Revelation 14:14
And I saw and behold! a white cloud,
and upon the cloud One sitting like to a son of man, having upon His head a golden crown,
and in His hand a sharp sickle;

Revelation 11:12
and they heard a great Voice out of the heaven saying to them, 'ascend ye here!'
and they ascended to the heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them;

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[fn] thousand years.

 

[Not David]

I do realize that the Second Coming of Christ is at the end of the 7 year tribulation the last 3 and a half years of the 7 known as The Great Tribulation where Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives.
Not to be confused when the Church meets Him in the air/clouds which happens before. Which is the removal of the Bride (the Church).

The Bride has been persecuted for 2 thousand years and you don't believe she will still be persecuted?

 

[klutedavid]

The Two Babylons is really interesting showing the origins of many customs holidays and practices from the Mother Church that we have today. It is quite large and is a resource more than anything also comparing many images in the church to their origin in paganism. Take a look at it if you can. Woordrow was for it but then latter turned against it. Some of the reasons and arguments for and against are outlined here click me.

I read the link, what a scrambled mess that article was.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Btw, did anyone notice my post on the rapture of the 2 witnessesARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?These have been sealed, but yet kill during the great tribulation during the 1st century, because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus

Acts 12:
1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church.
2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread.

The impending deaths of Peter and Paul:

2 peter 1:14 Having known that speedily is the putting off/apoqesiV <595> off the booth/skhnw-matoV <4638> of me,
according as also the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, makes evident to me.
2 Timothy 4:6
6 for I am already being poured out, and the time of my release hath arrived; 7 the good strife I have striven, the course I have finished, the faith I have kept, 8 henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of the righteousness that the Lord — the Righteous Judge — shall give to me in that day, and not only to me, but also to all those loving his manifestation.

Revelation 14:14
And I saw and behold! a white cloud,
and upon the cloud One sitting like to a son of man, having upon His head a golden crown,
and in His hand a sharp sickle;

Revelation 11:12
and they heard a great Voice out of the heaven saying to them, 'ascend ye here!'
and they ascended to the heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them;

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[fn] thousand years.

Hello LLOJ I did but trying to keep the thread on topic to the OP. Did you have anything to share in relation to the OP and the questions provided?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I read the link, what a scrambled mess that article was.

Really David? Maybe you would like to show how so?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Bride has been persecuted for 2 thousand years and you don't believe she will still be persecuted?

Indeed, God will always have his people. These are the ones that the Devil is trying to devour like a roaring lion and persecution will follow.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

The Bride has been persecuted for 2 thousand years and you don't believe she will still be persecuted?

Absolutely not.
What is to come isn't the persecution of the Church, but rather a world at its peak of decadence and depravity.
The devine judgment that will come is not for the Church.
The loving Groom Jesus the Christ removes His Bride before He executes His judgment.
Friend , rejoice . You and I and all present believers will not be here.
Other believers who receive Christ during that time will.
All glory be to God , now and forever!
Amen!
⚘

 

[Monk Brendan]

Thanks brother Monk Brendan. Yes I am aware that Ralph Woodrow withdrew his book now thanks for sharing. Most of his work from Babylon Mystery Religion was a continued work from the much larger historical works of The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop. You may wish to have a read of a review of the reasons of Ralph Woodrow withdrawal of his publication and his comments on Hislops works here click me linked for your own interest. You might find it interesting. These by the way are only a few references that are easily downloadable as PDF's through Google. There are many more.

God bless

Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association

I've already read them.

I know the SDA make the false assertion that the Pope is the beast because he (which pope? it's never specified in your literature) changed Saturday to Sunday.

There are ancient pre-Reformation Eastern Churches, such as the Syriani of India and Pakistan, that had NO connection with the pope or Rome, but have Sunday as their main worship day.

How do you explain that?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I know the SDA make the false assertion that the Pope is the beast because he (which pope? it's never specified in your literature) changed Saturday to Sunday.

There are ancient pre-Reformation Eastern Churches, such as the Syriani of India and Pakistan, that had NO connection with the pope or Rome, but have Sunday as their main worship day.

How do you explain that?

I think from the link you have provided you have only read one side that is why I provided you with the other link which has two sides here click me. That being said brother I do not know anyone that thinks that the Pope is the BEAST. That is why I said earlier you have some misinformation going on there. I hope to touch on some of this a little latter though as we work through the questions in relation to Revelations 14 of the OP here.

God bless.

 

[Monk Brendan]

I think from the link you have provided you have only read one side that is why I provided you with the other link which has two sides here click me. That being said brother I do not know anyone that thinks that the Pope is the BEAST. That is why I said earlier you have some misinformation going on there. I hope to touch on some of this a little latter though as we work through the questions in relation to Revelations 14 of the OP here.

God bless.

I notice that you did not actually answer my question about just why ancient Eastern churches that had nothing to do with the Pope have Sunday as their main worship day.

Can you answer that, please?

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[JLB777]

Not to be confused when the Church meets Him in the air/clouds which happens before. Which is the removal of the Bride (the Church).

Please read the scripture I quoted from
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.


The Church is resurrected and raptured at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

At His coming -

• the dead in Christ will rise first.

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I notice that you did not actually answer my question about just why ancient Eastern churches that had nothing to do with the Pope have Sunday as their main worship day.

Can you answer that, please?

There was no reason. There has been people that have kept Sunday through the ages. So what? Does that mean it is right? This is the same as me saying God's 4th Commandment Sabbath has been kept unbroken from creation to Jesus to after the death of Jesus to this present day. I can show this by scripture and Historical references. Who is right? To me it is only those who have God's WORD as their support.

I've read ALL of what Ralph Woodrow said. You might what to look up critiques of Hislops's book. Did you kno he was a mason?

You may have read all of what Ralph Woodrow said I am not disagreeing that you haven't I was asking if you have seen his claims and what he has said cirtiqued? Once again just because someone says something does not make it true. I believe God's WORD alone is the standard of all truth and we should believe and follow it.

God bless.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Please read the scripture I quoted from
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.


The Church is resurrected and raptured at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

At His coming -

• the dead in Christ will rise first.

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

JLB

So you agree with me.
Christ comes in the clouds , we (The Church) meet Him in the air (not on earth).

The Second Coming is Zechariah 14:3-4.
Where Christ comes BACK to the Earth and sets foot on the Mount of Olives.

 

[Sam81]

Are you ready for the harvest?