ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

[LoveGodsWord]

There will be a rapture, but not before the Great Tribulation as some have said the word of God implies. Or do you believe we go nowhere? That earth will become heaven?

No, it is clear the Antichrist will be seen by the Church and that is in the GT, not apart from it.

2 Thessalonians 2: Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Hi 1stcenturylady, I also believe that the Church will be present and see the Antichrist. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.

 

[HTacianas]

ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST CLICK ME?

I have made a simple study from God's WORD * DANIEL AND REVELATION and history here beastsmark.com for those who may be interested in the scriptures.

God's WORD teaches that GOD'S People are in EVERY Church. These are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD as much as God has revealed to them. *JOHN 10:16; ACT 17:30-31.

REVELATION 14:6-12
[6], And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,
[7], Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment has come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
[8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11], And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
[12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION

Q1. WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL? v6
Q2. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO FEAR GOD? v7
Q3. HOW DO WE GIVE GLORY TO GOD?
Q4. WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT ABOUT?
Q5. HOW DO WE WORSHIP GOD AND WHY THE EMPHASIS ON CREATION? v7
Q6. WHO DOES BABYLON THE HARLOT WOMAN REPRESENT IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS?
Q7. WHO IS GOD’S TRUE CHURCH IN GOD’S WORD AND THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS?

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FRIENDLY DISCUSSION AND SCRIPTURE ONLY PLEASE.

God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

At this point I wish someone from the Mark of the Beast Welcome Wagon would knock on my door and get it over with.

 

[ewq1938]

Can you see how the scripture is true that the prophetic scriptures are not of any private interpretation and scripture defines scripture?

2 PETER 1:20 has nothing at all to do with how people read and understand/interpret the meaning of prophecies.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Does the rapture happen before the dead saints resurrect bodily or does it happen after the resurrection?

The dead who return with Jesus will be resurrected and then those who are alive and remain with be caught up with those dead saints and all will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

This all happens when Jesus returns, not 7 years prior to miss the Great Tribulation. No, those who are alive at that time will see the Antichrist which will be during the GT.

 

[ewq1938]

The dead who return with Jesus will be resurrected and then those who are alive and remain with be caught up with those dead saints and all will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

This all happens when Jesus returns, not 7 years prior to miss the Great Tribulation. No, those who are alive at that time will see the Antichrist which will be during the GT.

Ok so you believe the rapture happens before the resurrection of the dead in Christ?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

2 PETER 1:20 has nothing at all to do with how people read and understand/interpret the meaning of prophecies.

We will have to agree to disagree brother. I believe a good case has been provided with God's WORD in post # 14 linked click me which has also provided some good examples where scripture defines scripture in prophecy.

I respect and thankyou however for sharing your thoughts.

God bless.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I agree. Btw, who were the Roman rulers between 30ad and 70ad?

WHAT "MANNER OF BUILDINGS AND STONES" 1ST CENTURY TEMPLE

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 harmonized

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
7 'For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places;
Luke 21:11
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
11 great earthquakes also in places, and famines, and pestilences, there shall be; fearful things also, and great signs from heaven there shall be;
Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
8 for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be earthquakes in divers places,
and there shall be famines and troubles; beginnings of sorrows are these.

Luke 13: [Matthew 23:37]
34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!

Revelation 18:8
“Therefore Her stripes/blows will come in one day—death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.


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Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 have two questions, not just one. The first question had to do with the temple in 70 A.D., but there is a second question.

Matthew 24:
Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Revelation is written after the destruction of the temple, not before as Preterists lie. John wrote Revelation on the Isle of Patmos, and historians back then claim it was during the reign of Domitian whose reign was 81 AD to 96 AD.

 

[ewq1938]

We will have to agree to disagree brother. I believe a good case has been provided with God's WORD in post # 14 linked click me which has also provided some good examples where scripture defines scripture in prophecy.

I respect and thankyou however for sharing your thoughts brother.

God bless.

Clarke:


2 Peter 1:20

Knowing this first - Considering this as a first principle, that no prophecy of the Scripture, whether that referred to above, or any other, is of any private interpretation - proceeds from the prophet’s own knowledge or invention, or was the offspring of calculation or conjecture. The word ep???s?? signifies also impetus, impulse; and probably this is the best sense here; not by the mere private impulse of his own mind.


Gill:


is of any private interpretation: not that this is levelled against the right of private judgment of Scripture; or to be understood as if a private believer had not a right of reading, searching, examining, and judging, and interpreting the Scriptures himself, by virtue of the unction which teacheth all things; and who, as a spiritual man, judgeth all things; otherwise, why are such commended as doing well, by taking heed to prophecy, in the preceding verse, and this given as a reason to encourage them to it? the words may be rendered, "of one's own interpretation"; that is, such as a natural man forms of himself, by the mere force of natural parts and wisdom, without the assistance of the Spirit of God; and which is done without comparing spiritual things with spiritual; and which is not agreeably to the Scripture, to the analogy of faith, and mind of Christ; though rather this phrase should be rendered, "no prophecy of the Scripture is of a man's own impulse", invention, or composition; is not human, but purely divine:


"no prophecy in Scripture will be found to have come from the prophet's own prompting" which obviously means true prophecy is not invented by the prophet but comes from God. This has nothing to do with how people interpret what scripture or scriptural prophecy means to them.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Does the rapture happen before the dead saints resurrect bodily or does it happen after the resurrection?

During the removal of the Church (rapture) the dead in Christ will resurrect first. The dead in Christ are all believers who died since Pentacost. Then those of us (believers)who are alive at the time will meet The Lord in the clouds. Also the Jerusalem Saints resurrect during this time.
We will receive glorified bodies and remain with the Lord forever (Amen!)
The particular location of where we will "be" would have to be Paradise because the New Heaven doesn't exist yet.
This marvelous event happens before the 7 year tribulation and before The Second Coming of Christ.
At the rapture Christ does not come to earth , we meet Him in the air/clouds.
At The Second Coming of Christ at the end of the 7 year tribulation, we come back with Christ to reign with Him literally on earth for 1,000 years.
Before the 1,000 literal reign of Christ the remaining OT saints and the tribulation saints resurrect.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Clarke:


2 Peter 1:20

Knowing this first - Considering this as a first principle, that no prophecy of the Scripture, whether that referred to above, or any other, is of any private interpretation - proceeds from the prophet’s own knowledge or invention, or was the offspring of calculation or conjecture. The word ep???s?? signifies also impetus, impulse; and probably this is the best sense here; not by the mere private impulse of his own mind.


Gill:


is of any private interpretation: not that this is levelled against the right of private judgment of Scripture; or to be understood as if a private believer had not a right of reading, searching, examining, and judging, and interpreting the Scriptures himself, by virtue of the unction which teacheth all things; and who, as a spiritual man, judgeth all things; otherwise, why are such commended as doing well, by taking heed to prophecy, in the preceding verse, and this given as a reason to encourage them to it? the words may be rendered, "of one's own interpretation"; that is, such as a natural man forms of himself, by the mere force of natural parts and wisdom, without the assistance of the Spirit of God; and which is done without comparing spiritual things with spiritual; and which is not agreeably to the Scripture, to the analogy of faith, and mind of Christ; though rather this phrase should be rendered, "no prophecy of the Scripture is of a man's own impulse", invention, or composition; is not human, but purely divine:


"no prophecy in Scripture will be found to have come from the prophet's own prompting" which obviously means true prophecy is not invented by the prophet but comes from God. This has nothing to do with how people interpret what scripture or scriptural prophecy means to them.

Of course no prophecy is made up by man no one has said otherwise. Although the scriptures main application here is that in prophecy scripture interprets scripture. We will have to agree to disagree on this one brother.

It is interesting when studing the book of REVELATIONS and amazing as you look at the scriptures. For prophetic scriptures we read..

2 PETER 1:20
[19], We have also a more sure word of prophecy; to which you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20], Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation. [21], For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

It is interesting as you study the prophetic scriptures you will find that the scriptures interpret themselves and tell you what their meaning is. We do not have to have a private interpretation of their meanings. For example what does a BEAST and it's HORNS represent in the prophetic scriptures?

DANIEL 7:23-24
[23], Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. [24], And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

According to God's WORD a BEAST represents a KINGDOM, GOVERNMENT and POLITICAL POWER. While the HORNS of the BEAST can represent the KING of that KINGDOM.

Can you see how the scripture is true that the prophetic scriptures are not of any private interpretation and scripture defines scripture?

God bless.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Ok so you believe the rapture happens before the resurrection of the dead in Christ?

It is all at the same time, not years apart. At the second coming of Christ.

When we die, our spirit goes to the Father. Jesus brings back those spirits with Him to be reunited with their bodies at the first resurreciton. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them, and there we will always be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

What is NOT said here is that those who were raptured 7 years prior will return with Christ. No, just the DEAD (are asleep) in Christ. A secret rapture is just not supported anywhere in scripture.

 

[ewq1938]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one brother. Who should we believe the opinions of men or the Word of God?
2 PETER 1:20
[19], We have also a more sure word of prophecy; to which you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20], Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation. [21], For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

This is the part that needs to be highlighted.

 

[1stcenturylady]

This marvelous event happens before the 7 year tribulation and before The Second Coming of Christ.

Again, where is your scripture to back up this very nice fairy tale. We will be here until the second coming, not some secret rapture before the Tribulation

 

[ewq1938]

It is all at the same time, not years apart. At the second coming of Christ.

And you believe the rapture and resurrection happen before the trib?

 

[1stcenturylady]

And you believe the rapture and resurrection happen before the trib?

NO - AFTER.

1. Dead spirits go to heaven.
2. Great Tribulation happens when national Israel will join the Church.
3. Christ returns with the dead saints (no living saints who were raptured in some secret rapture).
4. The spirits of the dead reunite with their bodies and the resurrection of the dead happens and they rise to meed Jesus in the air.
5. Those who are alive and remain with be caught up with them in the air.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

One of many blessings being a child of God from Pentacost till present is that we will not be here during the tribulation.
The lost world will have the two witnesses, the 144,000 male evangelicals from the 12 tribes of Israel with amazing power from God to proclaim the gospel .
The Church will be removed.

 

[ewq1938]

One of many blessings being a child of God from Pentacost till present is that we will not be here during the tribulation.
The lost world will have the two witnesses, the 144,000 male evangelicals from the 12 tribes of Israel with amazing power from God to proclaim the gospel .
The Church will be removed.

Does the rapture happen before the dead saints resurrect bodily or does it happen after the resurrection?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is the part that needs to be highlighted.

For me brother it all needs to be highligted

2 PETER 1:20
[19], We have also a more sure word of prophecy; to which you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20], Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation. [21], For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Did you not like how the scriptures interpret the prophetic symbols as shown in post # 30 linked?

 

[1stcenturylady]

One of many blessings being a child of God from Pentacost till present is that we will not be here during the tribulation.
The lost world will have the two witnesses, the 144,000 male evangelicals from the 12 tribes of Israel with amazing power from God to proclaim the gospel .
The Church will be removed.

Do you have ANY scriptures, or are you making stuff up as you go along...

2 Timothy 4: 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Again, where is your scripture to back up this very nice fairy tale. We will be here until the second coming, not some secret rapture before the Tribulation

You can disagree but being rude is not Christ like at all.
The rapture isn't a secret (even you believe it) it is a mystery that wasnt taught in the OT. that Paul spoke of.
First Thessalonians 4:13-18 and First Corinthians 15:50-54 Paul explains this mystery .
What Paul is speaking here happens BEFORE The Second Coming of Christ.
During the removal of the Church we meet Christ in the air/clouds .

The Second Coming of Christ Zechariah 14:3-4 Christ literally sets foot on the Mount of Olives before Jerusalem at the end of the 7 year tribulation and before the 1,000 literal reign of Christ.

You should rejoice because if you are a child of God you will not be here during that terrible awful time of devine judgment of a lost and dying world.