Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[LoveGodsWord]

There you go again, answering a reasonable question with a question.

The questions are relevant because they give the answer to the question asked and the questions are based around scripture and the poster did not pick up on what I was posting about the first time round or did not want to. Eating pork has nothing to do with the laws for remission of sins and the Levitical Priesthood or Gods' 10 commandments which was what we were discussing so had nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[Jipsah]

And why would that be Brian. We are in the new covenant not not the old covenant. Do you seek out a Levite Priest who owns an earthly Sanctuary every time you sin?

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

 

[tall73]

If someone who professes to be a Christian is living in a life of known unrepentant sin (for example living in adultery) are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God?

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

If one continues in adultery and does not repent and be cleansed, then they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now I want you to be equally clear. Will someone who rejects the Sabbath inherit the kingdom of God?

That is what MMX asked you, and you won't tell him.

 

[tall73]

Yes, only to their own demise, but they can’t see it and we can only pray they will before its too late. God bless!

Note @LoveGodsWord that is how you speak plainly.

Now you may follow suit. Do you think that MMX is lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Note @LoveGodsWord that is how you speak plainly.

Now you may follow suit. Do you think that MMX is lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

The 4th commandment is just that, a commandment from God. Sin is defined as lawlessness. 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7. So breaking the Sabbath commandment is considered sin. Just like it is to worship other gods, vain His name, steal, commit adultery etc.

If we do not repent from our sin and turn from sin the scripture tells us:

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

The good news is we all still have time to worship God in spirit and truth by obeying God’s commandments. We are told the second coming will be like the days of Noah and not very many people believed Noah. I think we need to believe God when He told us to REMEMBER which is the opposite of forget

 

[tall73]

The 4th commandment is just that, a commandment from God. Sin is defined as lawlessness. 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7. So breaking the Sabbath commandment is considered sin. Just like it is to worship other gods, vain His name, steal, commit adultery etc.

If we do not repent from our sin and turn from sin the scripture tells us:

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

The good news is we all still have time to worship God in spirit and truth by obeying God’s commandments. We are told the second coming will be like the days of Noah and not very many people believed Noah. I think we need to believe God when He told us to REMEMBER which is the opposite of forget

This is a straight-forward answer. Thank you. Now I am waiting on @LoveGodsWord to give a straight answer, since that was my reason for coming to this thread.

MMX was asking him, and he would not answer.

LGW, will MMX be lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a straight-forward answer. Thank you. Now I am waiting on @LoveGodsWord to give a straight answer, since that was my reason for coming to this thread.

MMX was asking him, and he would not answer.

MMX did not consider this straightforward in his other thread and I am pretty sure @LoveGodsWord has addressed this multiple times on multiple threads. The bible is a big book and y/n answers do not always apply without context.

God bless!

 

[Servus]

Brian far from it. I am only sharing Gods' Word with you only because I care enough for you yo say something because God cares enough to say something. God is not willing that anyone of us should be lost, he wants us all to be ready for when he returns because he loves us. This is my prayer for everyone of us here. I am sad if you do not see it this way to be honest.

You're very transparent. A couple of other people have picked up on what I have and said something about it. I think it would help your credibility of you would just converse with me in a straightforward peer to peer manner.

Now back to the unanswered question:

And why would that be Brian. We are in the new covenant not not the old covenant. Do you seek out a Levite Priest who owns an earthly Sanctuary every time you sin?

Ah so the Levitical law doesn't apply to gentile Christians. Then why does the SDA church say it's a sin for gentile Christians to eat pork and shellfish?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You're very transparent. A couple of other people have picked up on what I have and said something about it. I think it would help your credibility of you would just converse with me in a straightforward peer to peer manner.

Now back to the unanswered question:



Ah so the Levitical law doesn't apply to gentile Christians. Then why does the SDA church say it's a sin for gentile Christians to eat pork and shellfish?

Why would you want to do or eat anything that the Lord considers an abomination?

Isaiah 66:17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the LORD.

 

[tall73]

The questions are relevant because they give the answer to the question asked and the questions are based around scripture and the poster did not pick up on what I was posting about the first time round or did not want to. Eating pork has nothing to do with the laws for remission of sins and the Levitical Priesthood or Gods' 10 commandments which was what we were discussing so had nothing to do with the conversation.

Of course it has to do with the conversation, as your question in answer to a question demonstrated.

Do you know the difference between God's 10 commandments Brian that give us the knowledge of what sin is under the new covenant

You indicated the ten show us what is sin in the new covenant. But it is not just the ten. You keep saying no one is making the argument that the ten are the only commands that talk about love to your neighbor. But then you turn right around and say it is the ten that show what sin is under the new covenant.

So is the command against relations with your close relative not in place in the NT? Paul calls out a man in I Corinthians 5 regarding this sin. Clearly it still tells us what is sin, even under the new covenant.

So why do you keep going back to the ten as the guide, and then when anyone calls you out you say you agree, then go right back to the ten again?

You say it is not part of the conversation. It is, and we have mentioned it again and again. You may not want it to be part of the conversation, but that is so that you can just talk about the ten all day and not look at the larger issues of how you know a law is still binding if some are fulfilled, and some are not.

This is the baseline issue.

 

[Servus]

Why would you want to do or eat anything that the Lord considers an abomination?

Isaiah 66:17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the LORD.

You and LGW have quite a knack for not giving straightforward answers. What sort of credibility do you think that lends you?

 

[tall73]

MMX did not consider this straightforward in his other thread and I am pretty sure @LoveGodsWord has addressed this multiple times on multiple threads. The bible is a big book and y/n answers do not always apply without context.

God bless!

The context is that MMX several times asked if he will be lost if he rejects the Sabbath. Do you know the answer to that?

It sounds like you stated it clearly.

 

[parousia70]

As communion is verity of God's word your erroneous insinuation that it has displaced the sabbath day of the Lord that God sanctified [not man] is not verity.

Please quote where I have said the Sunday celebration of the the Lord's resurrection has "displaced" the Sabbath.

I have always been clear in this thread that it is a separate and distinct celebration.

You have no percipience of what your saying.

And You are arguing against something I am NOT saying.

 

[ChetSinger]

Why would you want to do or eat anything that the Lord considers an abomination?

Isaiah 66:17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the LORD.

I suppose this is getting off-topic now since the thread is about the sabbath. So I understand if you don't want to continue with it.

But I find your church's appeal to Isaiah fascinating because in the New Testament Jesus declared all foods clean. For example:

And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”​

And passages such as this are largely why Christianity has had no unclean foods since the beginning.

So I question why the SDA denomination observes this one particular facet of the Mosaic Law, since:

1. Jesus specifically changed it.
2. It doesn't keep most of the other 600 facets of the Mosaic Law.

And it's observed so stringently it's even included in SDA baptismal vows.

I guess my question is, why is this requirement of the Law (no pork) observed while most of the other 600 are not? And if this is off-topic and for another time, that's fine.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I suppose this is getting off-topic now since the thread is about the sabbath. So I understand if you don't want to continue with it.

But I find your church's appeal to Isaiah fascinating because in the New Testament Jesus declared all foods clean. For example:

And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”​

And passages such as this are largely why Christianity has had no unclean foods since the beginning.

So I question why the SDA denomination observes this one particular facet of the Mosaic Law, since:

1. Jesus specifically changed it.
2. It don't keep most of the other 600 facets of the Mosaic Law.

And it's observed so stringently it's even included in SDA baptismal vows.

I guess my question is, why is this requirement of the Law (no pork) observed while most of the others are not? And if this is off-topic and for another time, that's fine.

I would recommend reading the whole passage. You might also want to note this is a parable and parables are not meant for literal interpretation but to teach greater meaning. Jesus tells us clearly the meaning of the parable...

Mark 7:20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

Jesus is not referring to food here.

Hope this helps.

 

[HIM]

Every one of the ten commandments are reiterated to be kept in the New Testament - Except the the forth.

Not true. Jesus spoke of the fourth being kept up to his second coming in Mathew 24. And Hebrews says there remains a sabbath keeping that those whom have entered into the rest of the gospel also cease from their own works as God did from His. And that rest is and was on the Seventh Day as the fourth Commandment says.
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

[ChetSinger]

I would recommend reading the whole passage. You might also want to note this is a parable and parables are not meant for literal interpretation but to teach greater meaning. Jesus tells us clearly the meaning of the parable...

Mark 7:20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

Jesus is not referring to food here.

Hope this helps.

I disagree with your church's interpretation of that passage, but thanks for it.

So does your church keep all of the dietary rules in the Mosaic Law?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

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So I question why the SDA denomination observes this one particular facet of the Mosaic Law, since:

1. Jesus specifically changed it.
2. It don't keep most of the other 600 facets of the Mosaic Law.

And it's observed so stringently it's even included in SDA baptismal vows.

I guess my question is, why is this requirement of the Law (no pork) observed while most of the other 600 are not? And if this is off-topic and for another time, that's fine.

Please show me the scripture where Jesus deleted or edited the 4th commandment and commanded us to keep Sunday as the new holy day of the Lord thy God.

We are in the New Covenant now we follow all the laws of God. The New Covenant tells us we no longer need to sacrifice animals or have annual feasts days or circumcision as Christ is our perfect Sacrifice and now our Mediator. Do you kill animals for sacrifice? What did not get deleted in God's holy laws that are now written in the heart and mind. It is still a sin even in the New Covenant to murder, lie, vain God's name, worship other gods and break God's Sabbath- the holy day of the Lord thy God.

Hope this helps.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I disagree with your church's interpretation of that passage, but thanks for it.

So does your church keep all of the dietary rules in the Mosaic Law?

Most of the SDA's are vegetarians because we feel that is what our diet was meant to be in the Garden of Eden before sin. Some, like myself will eat the meats God deemed clean. I don't eat meat very often though and less and less these days. Did you know that the SDA's are the only US people to live 10 years longer in an independent study based on their heathy lifestyle?

The Blue Zone Study and Seventh-day Adventists - Seventh-Day Adventist Diet (seventhdayadventistdiet.com)

 

[ChetSinger]

Most of the SDA's are vegetarians because we feel that is what our diet was meant to be in the Garden of Eden before sin. Some, like myself will eat the meats God deemed clean. I don't eat meat very often though and less and less these days. Did you know that the SDA's are the only US people to live 10 years longer in an independent study based on their heathy lifestyle?

The Blue Zone Study and Seventh-day Adventists - Seventh-Day Adventist Diet (seventhdayadventistdiet.com)

I was aware of that, thanks. And my personal belief is that we were originally designed to be vegetarians, perhaps even vegans.

But my question was regarding religious law, not lifestyle. There's more to the Mosaic Law than the avoidance of pork and shellfish. When a member takes the baptismal vow, does "unclean foods" refer to only pork and shellfish, or to anything that's not kosher?