Anti-Potheads

[mattman59]

I haven't read through all the posts but for those claiming conspiracy, please pull the studies and point out where you're noting dishonesty. Thanks.

While I don't claim a "conspiracy", I do see ample evidence of various entities of the US government doing everything they can (including being dishonest) to maintain the status quo.

A couple of examples would be the studies done during the Reagan administration where lab animals were suffocated (only given 100% smoke to breath with zero fresh air) and then used as proof that pot kills brain cells. Another more recent event would be the ONDCP actually suppressing a study showing that DARE is ineffective. They sat on it for 4 months (if I remember correctly) and when it did come out tried to say that they had just received it, meanwhile the company that did the study actually published the real date it was turned over. I also see that the "Partnership for a drug free America" is funded by tobacco and alcohol manufacturers.

I am not saying that these people are all working together for a common goal, I am saying that many people stand to lose a whole lot if blanket legalization were passed.

 

[Braunwyn]

While I don't claim a "conspiracy", I do see ample evidence of various entities of the US government doing everything they can (including being dishonest) to maintain the status quo.

A couple of examples would be the studies done during the Reagan administration where lab animals were suffocated (only given 100% smoke to breath with zero fresh air) and then used as proof that pot kills brain cells. Another more recent event would be the ONDCP actually suppressing a study showing that DARE is ineffective. They sat on it for 4 months (if I remember correctly) and when it did come out tried to say that they had just received it, meanwhile the company that did the study actually published the real date it was turned over. I also see that the "Partnership for a drug free America" is funded by tobacco and alcohol manufacturers.

I am not saying that these people are all working together for a common goal, I am saying that many people stand to lose a whole lot if blanket legalization were passed.

Ok. The above examples don't lend to any kind of conspiracy that has its hands in tainted research. That's what I thought some were suggesting. This seems to be more of a matter of what those in gov are willing and not willing to support in the way of policy.

 

[mpok1519]

While I don't claim a "conspiracy", I do see ample evidence of various entities of the US government doing everything they can (including being dishonest) to maintain the status quo.

A couple of examples would be the studies done during the Reagan administration where lab animals were suffocated (only given 100% smoke to breath with zero fresh air) and then used as proof that pot kills brain cells. Another more recent event would be the ONDCP actually suppressing a study showing that DARE is ineffective. They sat on it for 4 months (if I remember correctly) and when it did come out tried to say that they had just received it, meanwhile the company that did the study actually published the real date it was turned over. I also see that the "Partnership for a drug free America" is funded by tobacco and alcohol manufacturers.

I am not saying that these people are all working together for a common goal, I am saying that many people stand to lose a whole lot if blanket legalization were passed.

when filling your lungs with a hundred percent smoke and zero percent air, of course brain cells are going to die; oxygen deprivation kills brain cells. It didnt matter what they were smoking, the lack of oxygen kills their brain cells. holding your breath for too long kills your brain cells too.

Theres ample evidence to prove that the status quo either actively or passively doesn't know or do whats good for society.

 

[rambot]

It didnt matter what they were smoking, the lack of oxygen kills their brain cells. holding your breath for too long kills your brain cells too

Exactly the same for alcohol on the brains as I've heard.

 

[mpok1519]

Yeah; no one has a good argument as to why alcohol and tobacco are legal but not pot.

 

[Ben-AG]

Yeah; no one has a good argument as to why alcohol and tobacco are legal but not pot.

One could make the argument of- all the more reason to outlaw tobacco and alcohol to counter your assertion.

Yes, there was prohibition and all the crimes as a result, but would prohibition been such a disaster if alcohol was not a mainstream product, as it was? In that sense, why would you want to make pot a mainstream product?

Of course, this may not necessarily be my stance.

 

[mpok1519]

One could make the argument of- all the more reason to outlaw tobacco and alcohol to counter your assertion.

Yes, there was prohibition and all the crimes as a result, but would prohibition been such a disaster if alcohol was not a mainstream product, as it was? In that sense, why would you want to make pot a mainstream product?

Of course, this may not necessarily be my stance.

In all reality, tobacco and alcohol and drugs should just ever have been initiated into society from the get-go. this would be difficult, however, as beer in ancient civilizations was more nutritious than bread! it was a matter of survival if anything.

I think if alcohol was not a mainstream product, something else probably would have been, I'm sure. Its pretty difficult to say what would or would not have happened using hypothetical hind-sight. Strangely, pot became more popular during prohibition because alcohol became so incresingly difficult to obtain.

I think pot should be a mainstream drug accept by society(because it already is a mainstream drug; estimated that 25-35% of americans have, or do smoke pot, this would give taxes a minimum estimated $15Billion in extra revenue, on a minimum! mazimum tax estimations might be somewhere in the hundred billions. Also, the purity could be regulated so no one could get 'too-stoned' from store-bought products (its illegal to manufacture 100% alcohol by content, in the same respect). also, this would save the govt billions in dollars used to combat marijuana. Not to mention the billions the consumer would save; his product will be cheaper, and he doesnt have to pay fines to the state any more.

I think its a very good idea to legalize pot and tax it.

 

[Vale Tudo]

This topic is about pot, and only pot. Not coke, caffine, heroin, cigs, or booze.

I invite anyone who is against any use of pot for any reason to join, and give their reasons why.

I conceede that too much pot use can ruin your life. Just like eating too much can litterly make it grow into the couch, like in that anti-pot add, Nip-Tuck, and a real life story in which just that actually happened.

I believe recreational and medicinal use of pot is moral, justified, and should be legal. Pot does have medicinal applications. I don't believe this can be denied, and I will happily set straight those who are mistaken in that area.

Lets try and keep anecdotal arguements to a minimum. I can't verify your stories, and you can't verify mine.

Poll is multiple choice, so choose the options you feel best represent you, and the votes are not public, so feel free to be honest.

I am against marijuana use for several reasons. One is that I believe it has a detrimental effect on society in many ways. High school students who smoke pot have lower graduations rates, most people who use pot are not responsible smoking it in their own homes like most potheads will argue, and the marijuana business, as any drug business, increases violent crime. When you give your money to a drug dealer, you may be funding the sales of harder drugs, or selling pot to kids as well. Also, pot smokers an average perform sub par in their careers, and show poor judgment in breaking the law, which sets a precedent for their judgment related abilities. You can clearly look at those who smoke vs those who do not, and see many consistently negative issues. Is this all caused only by smoking pot? No, but it is related and there is a clear connection in the lifestyle choices. Lack of judgment in one area will show in other areas of a persons life.

 

[BassmanOz]

Yeah; no one has a good argument as to why alcohol and tobacco are legal but not pot.

Probably because alcohol and tobacco taxes are keeping many a government afloat, so they would be shooting themselves in the foot by making them illegal. Not to mention the number of people who would be put out of a job. Pot is easy enough to grow for anyone (heck, it grows like the weed it is), so it's hard to keep track of who's growing it so they can tax it.

For the record, I voted "I have smoked, and it is not fine.". But since the OP didn't want anecdotal reasons, I won't go into why.

 

[Minty]

Forgive me this thread was closed in error.

Thread is re-opened. My bad