Another Argument Against Flat Earth

[Bungle_Bear]

1. Yes, that is what I mean by "how they work".

OK, we'll leave that and move on.

2. Literally what the Bible describes the Earth to be.

So you believe that the Earth is a circle (Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:10) with 4 corners (Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1))? How does that work?

3. I don't know if those lights in the sky we can see are satellites.

You could try looking at one with a telescope or binoculars. But I suspect even that wouldn't convince you, would it?

 

[Zetetica]

So you believe that the Earth is a circle (Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:10) with 4 corners (Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1))? How does that work?

I believe exactly what is written.

The Earth was inscribed into the deep (likely ice but could have been unfrozen water). As for the four corners, they can be taken literally (square of ice) or they can be taken as directions. I'm still studying it here and there.

You could try looking at one with a telescope or binoculars. But I suspect even that wouldn't convince you, would it?

It hasn't yet done so.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I believe exactly what is written.

The Earth was inscribed into the deep (likely ice but could have been unfrozen water). As for the four corners, they can be taken literally (square of ice) or they can be taken as directions. I'm still studying it here and there.

Hang on. You're now saying it might not be literal? How do you determine what is literal and what is not literal? You're cherry picking, aren't you (and I'm sure you have a way to determine whether I'm speaking literally or not)?

It hasn't yet done so.

And never will....

 

[Zetetica]

Hang on. You're now saying it might not be literal? How do you determine what is literal and what is not literal? You're cherry picking, aren't you (and I'm sure you have a way to determine whether I'm speaking literally or not)?

As I said, I don't know. It's hard for me. However, I have faith and know that God will guide me in understanding if He wills it to be so.

The way I see this is rather simple. I can take on faith that Jesus Christ is Lord. I take on faith all of the wonders He performed. I take on faith that He died for our sins, and that He rose from the dead. There is no scientific evidence for the wonders done by Christ or for people being raised up from the dead. Just as there exists no scientific evidence for a man parting an ocean with a rod; I take all this on faith.

How much more faith does it take to accept that creation is exactly as is written? That the Sun goes round the Earth? That the Moon is a light? That the sky is solid? I used to think it would take more faith than I could ever muster, and yet I was wrong.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

As I said, I don't know. It's hard for me. However, I have faith and know that God will guide me in understanding if He wills it to be so.

The way I see this is rather simple. I can take on faith that Jesus Christ is Lord. I take on faith all of the wonders He performed. I take on faith that He died for our sins, and that He rose from the dead. There is no scientific evidence for the wonders done by Christ or for people being raised up from the dead. Just as there exists no scientific evidence for a man parting an ocean with a rod; I take all this on faith.

There's no way to investigate these claims as they are in the past and left no evidence of any sort (claims in a book are not evidence). So all you have is faith.

How much more faith does it take to accept that creation is exactly as is written? That the Sun goes round the Earth? That the Moon is a light? That the sky is solid? I used to think it would take more faith than I could ever muster, and yet I was wrong.

These claims can be investigated, and there are mountains of evidence against them with little evidence in support. So it takes a whole lot more faith to believe them when the available evidence contradicts them. Cue the denialism and conspiracy theories required to sustain that faith. Kudos to you for such strong faith.

 

[Zetetica]

There's no way to investigate these claims as they are in the past and left no evidence of any sort (claims in a book are not evidence). So all you have is faith.

These claims can be investigated, and there are mountains of evidence against them with little evidence in support. So it takes a whole lot more faith to believe them when the available evidence contradicts them. Cue the denialism and conspiracy theories required to sustain that faith. Kudos to you for such strong faith.

Mountains of evidence? No, there aren't mountains of evidence for a spinning globe and 93 million mile away Sun. Is there some? Perhaps. I've not yet found it though. Will I? Perhaps.

 

[Strathos]

Some do. What can I do about it?

Recognize that it's hypocritical to make such accusations of the other side when your side engages in the same kind of name calling.

 

[Lazarus Short]

 

[MyOwnSockPuppet]

Flat Earth Southern Stars - Solved - Part 1 & 2
About 3 minutes each and I'm sorry if you can't comprehend these videos - It's Reality

Refraction? Got it.

So the (flat) Earth isn't being carried on the back of a giant turtle. It is in fact under the shell of the aforementioned GST and that shell is made of really thick glass?

 

[Zetetica]

Recognize that it's hypocritical to make such accusations of the other side when your side engages in the same kind of name calling.

The thing is, I don't have authority over what others who share a belief or even certainty in enclosed cosmology do. Why would I be judged by what they do when I am not doing the this?

Example:
Should all Christians be judged by the actions of some who claim to be Christians, yet are violent? Impatient? Rude? Cruel? Should an unbeliever judge us by such? Can we help what others do if we don't know them? Even if we do? Don't they like us have choices to make?

 

[Strathos]

The thing is, I don't have authority over what others who share a belief or even certainty in enclosed cosmology do. Why would I be judged by what they do when I am not doing the this?

Example:
Should all Christians be judged by the actions of some who claim to be Christians, yet are violent? Impatient? Rude? Cruel? Should an unbeliever judge us by such? Can we help what others do if we don't know them? Even if we do? Don't they like us have choices to make?

Well you're the one judging people on the round earth side of the argument.

 

[Zetetica]

Well you're the one judging people on the round earth side of the argument.

Judging, yes. I am rather sure that's unavoidable. I think we judge the moment we hear or see, even feel something. Having an opinion on someone or what they believe, having assumptions, that's all judging; perhaps it's not Biblical judging though.

However, I have not belittled anyone here for their conviction in Heliocentricism, have I? Have i called any "crazy"? "Satanic"? "Brainwashed"? No. I've certainly expressed my opinion about indoctrination, through a quote by my friend but I've not once attacked anyone here over any belief. Have I?

 

[Strathos]

Judging, yes. I am rather sure that's unavoidable. I think we judge the moment we hear or see, even feel something. Having an opinion on someone or what they believe, having assumptions, that's all judging; perhaps it's not Biblical judging though.

However, I have not belittled anyone here for their conviction in Heliocentricism, have I? Have i called any "crazy"? "Satanic"? "Brainwashed"? No. I've certainly expressed my opinion about indoctrination, through a quote by my friend but I've not once attacked anyone here over any belief. Have I?

My point was that others have, and you were claiming your side was being persecuted.

 

[Zetetica]

My point was that others have, and you were claiming your side was being persecuted.

I don't like any believer being persecuted, let alone anyone at all. Gently corrected? Yes. Sharply rebuked even? In love, yes. Shown knowledge which contrasts their knowledge? Yes. Persecuted? Mocked? No.

Due to my background, I am highly offended by persecution and mockery of others. I came from Satanism and I not only believed in Heliocentricism, I adored everything to do with outer space, including the exploration of it by men. I certainly didn't question any of it back then and I especially never questioned whether the Earth was a globe or not; I thought that ridiculous. In fact, I believed "Flat Earth" was some sort of big troll; "surely they couldn't be serious".

See, I once mocked and persecuted those who questioned space and the shape of the world, including those who questioned the Lunar missions. Now? I Iefuse to mock those who believe in what I once did; I don't wish to be a hypocrite in this.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Mountains of evidence? No, there aren't mountains of evidence for a spinning globe and 93 million mile away Sun. Is there some? Perhaps. I've not yet found it though. Will I? Perhaps.

And there's the denialism I spoke of.

 

[Zetetica]

And there's the denialism I spoke of.

You had to scroll all the way back through my posts to point that out, eh? Please, show me the literal mountains of evidence for a super-sonic sphere Earth, orbiting a Sun, 93 million miles distant from it.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You had to scroll all the way back through my posts to point that out, eh?

What an odd thing to ask. It's only 9 posts back, so not a whole lot of scrolling required. I simply replied to your reply to me. If you're wondering about the time it took to respond, well some of us have just experienced night so I went to sleep.

Please, show me the literal mountains of evidence for a super-sonic sphere Earth, orbiting a Sun, 93 million miles distant from it.

You want me to provide all of that in a single forum post?

There's not much point even pointing you to Google or science journals since you'll just deny it.

 

[JackRT]

In US Land surveys, townships are about 36 square miles. Each square mile is called a section. If you look at section boundary plats, you will find that the southern boundary is wider than the northern boundary. This is because corrections have to be made for the convergence of the meridians.

If the earth were flat, why aren't these sections perfectly square?

US Public Lands System

Section (United States land surveying) - Wikipedia

The same in western Canada. In Saskatchewan there is a NS road every mile and an EW road every two miles. On the NS roads there is a jog in the road every few miles called a correction for the reason you mentioned.

 

[Zetetica]

What an odd thing to ask. It's only 9 posts back, so not a whole lot of scrolling required. I simply replied to your reply to me. If you're wondering about the time it took to respond, well some of us have just experienced night so I went to sleep.

You want me to provide all of that in a single forum post?

There's not much point even pointing you to Google or science journals since you'll just deny it.

I desire your literal mountains of evidence for sphericity, orbit, and rotation, yes.
Topic by topic is fine.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I desire your literal mountains of evidence for sphericity, orbit, and rotation, yes.
Topic by topic is fine.

Lol. If I give you something, you'll deny it. If I don't you'll claim it doesn't exist. So which stance would you prefer?