Anonymous Christianity

[mindlight]

Are they confessing Jesus the Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God, in their heart?

No but nor did Enoch, Abraham, Moses or Elijah - all of whom we know are saved.

I believe our Triune God who revealed Himself in Jesus who was fully God and fully man did also relate to man in the pre Christ OT.

I wonder if our personal Jesus is there with some Muslims who have never called Him by his proper name.

I fear that in most cases this is not the case. But if a billion Muslims are dammed and the Christian response is to build a wall to keep that out maybe some Christians never really understood the Great Commission.

 

[brinny]

No but nor did Enoch, Abraham, Moses or Elijah - all of whom we know are saved.

I believe our Triune God who revealed Himself in Jesus who was fully God and fully man did also relate to man in the pre Christ OT.

I wonder if our personal Jesus is there with some Muslims who have never called Him by his proper name.

I fear that in most cases this is not the case. But if a billion Muslims are dammed and the Christian response is to build a wall to keep that out maybe some Christians never really understood the Great Commission.

As is posted elsewhere on this thread, each of the above that you mentioned believed in the promise. Each had faith. Each walked with God. Each did as it is written in Micah 6:8. This includes Job, who testified that He knew His Redeemer lives.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Can a non-Christian be saved without confessing the name of Christ?

Basically the OP is inspired by meeting various Muslims who are clearly aware of their sins and repentant of them , who are trusting in Gods mercy for their deliverance.

No

 

[5thKingdom]

Can a non-Christian be saved without confessing the name of Christ?

Basically the OP is inspired by meeting various Muslims who are clearly aware of their sins and repentant of them , who are trusting in Gods mercy for their deliverance.

Yes... a non Christian can be saved after he/she pays for each and every sin.
Unfortunately... that will take an ETERNITY of torment for EACH sin.
So it is not a very practical "strategy".

Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;
and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.



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[dqhall]

Can a non-Christian be saved without confessing the name of Christ?

Basically the OP is inspired by meeting various Muslims who are clearly aware of their sins and repentant of them , who are trusting in Gods mercy for their deliverance.

For a Muslim, it is a sin to eat or drink during daylight hours during the month of Ramadan. They did not get these ideas from the Gospels, they got them from the Koran. If a Muslim converts to Christianity, he/she may not want to openly confess conversion to Christianity as this is described as apostasy by the Muslims. Islamic law calls for the execution of apostate Muslims. Saudi Arabia is living under shariah law. You do not find Saudi citizens going to church there. It is forbidden. They yet behead people for adultery in Saudi Arabia. Some citizens who converted to Christianity were deported. This article indicates 157 people were beheaded in Saudi Arabia in 2016: Saudi Arabia: beheadings reach highest level in two decades

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Yes... a non Christian can be saved after he/she pays for each and every sin.
Unfortunately... that will take an ETERNITY of torment for EACH sin.
So it is not a very practical "strategy".

Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;
and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.



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Ummmm what? That is an absolutely horrendous interpretation of that verse that completely ignores other scriptures about eternal damnation and wrath.

 

[5thKingdom]

Do you mean to say "non-Christian...without confessing the name of Christ" who, nevertheless, knows something about Christ and Christianity and the Gospel (as is the case with Moslems) OR do you mean the proverbial pagan who lives decently according to his culture's standards and has never even heard of Christ (which is why he could not be a believer)?

If it's the former group of people who have consciously rejected the Lord, I'd say the answer is "no."

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WRONG.... in the case of BOTH the answer is no.

You cannot see the "Kingdom of God" unless you are "born again"
And, when you are "indwelt" with His Holy Spirit you produce "fruit" of repentance
during a process of "sanctification" that demonstrates your conversion from spiritual death
to spiritual life. This is all very basic and essential Christian Theology 101.


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[jimmyjimmy]

Can the substitutionary atonement that Jesus provided mankind on the cross be applied to those who accept the essence of what Jesus stands for

What exactly is it that Jesus, "stands for"?

 

[5thKingdom]

A person could be saved in Muslim country by consciously trusting and Christ and rejecting Islam, but having to do so in secret out of fear of punishment or death. This is different though than Anonymous Christian belief in Vatican II Catholicism, which I would reject.

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No... that is your own "private interpretation" that ignores TONS of contradicting Scripture.
Someone who is saved produces "fruit" that is easily identified as a servant of Christ.
If that "fruit" does not exist there has been no "indwelling" of the Holy Spirit,
there have been no regeneration. You are known by your "fruit"
and that includes your doctrine.


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[5thKingdom]

Ummmm what? That is an absolutely horrendous interpretation of that verse that completely ignores other scriptures about eternal damnation and wrath.

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No... it is what the Gospel teaches.
If a person completes the penalty for sin (eternal damnation) he has PAID for that sin and needs no Savior.
The only reason we need a Savior is that we cannot PAY for our sins.

Did you even THINK about what I said... or was it completely over your head?


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[ByTheSpirit]

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No... it is what the Gospel teaches.
If a person completes the penalty for sin (eternal damnation) he has PAID for that sin and needs no Savior.
The only reason we need a Savior is that we cannot PAY for our sins.

Did you even THINK about what I said... or was it completely over your head?


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So can we pay for ours sins or not?

Your initial post said:

Yes... a non Christian can be saved after he/she pays for each and every sin.

Then your last post said we can't pay for our sins. Which is why we needed a Savior. It appears you are confused friend.

The GOSPEL teaches there is only ONE WAY into heaven. Through faith in Jesus!

End of discussion have a nice day

 

[DeerGlow]

Can a non-Christian be saved without confessing the name of Christ?

Basically the OP is inspired by meeting various Muslims who are clearly aware of their sins and repentant of them , who are trusting in Gods mercy for their deliverance.

I am not Muslim nor have I ever been but I think they call Jesus just a prophet, as in not divine just a guy with good ideas.

 

[HereIStand]

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No... that is your own "private interpretation" that ignores TONS of contradicting Scripture.
Someone who is saved produces "fruit" that is easily identified as a servant of Christ.
If that "fruit" does not exist there has been no "indwelling" of the Holy Spirit,
there have been no regeneration. You are known by your "fruit"
and that includes your doctrine.


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I agree. Sorry if we misunderstood each other.

 

[disciple1]

Can a non-Christian be saved without confessing the name of Christ?

Basically the OP is inspired by meeting various Muslims who are clearly aware of their sins and repentant of them , who are trusting in Gods mercy for their deliverance.

Your asking a question only God can answer, but here's a little something.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[5thKingdom]

So can we pay for ours sins or not?

Your initial post said:



Then your last post said we can't pay for our sins. Which is why we needed a Savior. It appears you are confused friend.

The GOSPEL teaches there is only ONE WAY into heaven. Through faith in Jesus!

End of discussion have a nice day

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My first comment was true... we can be "saved" from our sins if we pay ETERNAL torment........
I assumed any THINKING person would understand the word "eternal" means the torment never ends.
But you needed clarification - so I was glad to make the obvious more clear for you.


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[5thKingdom]

Your asking a question only God can answer, but here's a little something.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

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The Bible is clear that BOTH the "wheat and tares" are in the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".
The "wheat" are the real Christians (born again Christians) the "tares" are false Christians (not born again)

The Bible separates the world into THREE (3) GROUPS of people

(1) The saved "wheat/sheep" in the "Kingdom of Heaven" and
(2) The unsaved "tares/goats" in the "Kingdom of Heaven" and
(3) All the lost souls OUTSIDE of the Christian Kingdom including:
Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Humanists, Pagans, etc.

It's pretty simple.... either you are "indwelt" with His Holy Spirit and "born again"...
or you have no Savior and must pay for your sins yourself.

This is one of the most basic and essential elements of the Christian Gospel
for both Catholics and Protestants.

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[jacks]

Can a non-Christian be saved without confessing the name of Christ?

Basically the OP is inspired by meeting various Muslims who are clearly aware of their sins and repentant of them , who are trusting in Gods mercy for their deliverance.

God alone is our final judge. I believe we won't be judged based on what we said or did, rather we will be judged by what is truly in our hearts.

 

[5thKingdom]

God alone is our final judge. I believe we won't be judged based on what we said or did, rather we will be judged by what is truly in our hearts.

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Isn't it great that you can believe whatever "feels" right to you?

Unfortunately, your "feelings" can never establish Truth.
More than that, your "feelings" directly CONTRADICT what the Bible says.

The Bible is very clear that we ARE judged based an every idle word...
in fact we can sin just by THINKING about a sin... not even doing it.
We can commit adultery just by THINKING about it... wow!

So... you are entitled to believe whatever you "feel" is right.
But your "feelings" can never change reality.

Either your "feelings" are wrong - or the Bible is wrong....
I suspect it is NOT the Bible that is wrong. I suspect that God
does not abide by your "feelings" and will fulfill His Word.


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[jimmyjimmy]

God alone is our final judge. I believe we won't be judged based on what we said or did, rather we will be judged by what is truly in our hearts.

If you are right, and thank God you're not, no one would be saved. The heart of man is the source of his evil. Where do you imagine sin comes from?

For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. (Matt 15:19)

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? (Jer. 17:9)

This is precisely why we need a salvation that comes from outside of ourselves. Deep, deep, down inside we are more rotten than what sows on the surface.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

not sure how denying Christ's Lordship is any type of "Christianity" at all.