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An Index of SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) Errors

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Of course, I have a blog post in the link below specifically on the Topic of Trinity in Seventh Day Adventism. I compare their fundamental belief to the Athanasian Creed.

https://actheologian.com/2016/06/27/the-lie-within-and-the-lie-without-the-holy-trinity/

Below is another post I did on the SDA Clear Word. This is more controversial, they claim it is not a "special bible" but they commissioned it, publish it, and sell it alongside other Bibles in the Adventist Book Center (ABC). It is helpful because you can see how they adjusted the verses of the Bible that teach the Trinity to match the teachings of Ellen White.

https://actheologian.com/2016/05/14/clear-word-vs-bible-doctrine-of-the-holy-trinity/


As for other details, SDA did start moving from a full blown Arian confession to one that is closer to the Trinity in 1946, that much is fair. They would only use the term "Godhead" but it was a step in the right direction. In 1980 they officially adopted the word "Trinity" but they still will not confess same substance or one being.

Below is a decent article I found for you that cites its sources:

http://www.cultorchristian.com/


What you have stated is a bunch of hooey!---This is what is believed---I really do not care what you, the Catholic church, or anyone else has to say on the subject for it is not in the bible exactly as you have worded it. WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD ALONE, ONE GOD THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. THEY ARE ONE---PERIOD. What we do not do is go into details that are not in the bible---like the word "substance"--do you know what "substance" means, where in the bible does it speak of the substance of God??---Point it out!! The closest you get is Jesus saying "GOD IS SPIRIT"
Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
You tell you me what God is made of according to the bible!! How dare anyone define the undefinable!! God, the Holy Spirit, and the Son are ONE GOD. That is what the bible says! Jesus prayed to the Father, Jesus taught the disciples to pray to the Father, Jesus had to go in order for the Holy Spirit, the Comforter to come---IT IS NOT EXPLAINED IN DETAIL HOW THIS COMES ABOUT!!! It just is and I accept it on faith--anything else is pure speculation and unacceptable to me.
I was born and raised SDA--I left it as soon as I could and hated it and angry at God and wanted nothing to do with God or any religion---until God brought me to my knees and I came back to God---I did not want to come back to SDA--I looked into everything else---I came back to SDA for one reason and one reason alone----they were the most biblically correct. You can prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that EGW is a false prophet and it would change not one single thing about my believes!! Not on the Sabbath, not on the state of the dead, not on Jesus Christ being our High Priest now, not about there not being an everlasting burning hell, not on the Trinity---Not even about the health issues as it has ben proven in study after study that we are the longest lived and healthiest---so it is a question of health --not following Levitical laws just to obey some old laws. Good grief, there are more non-SDA's that are vegetarian and follow the health principles then there are SDA's!! You can turn you back on whatever you want---I will not turn my back on the bible. And that includes the Sabbath and there have been thread after thread on that subject much more thoroughly gone into than I am going to go into AGAIN~~As far as I am concerned--the Sabbath was instituted at Creation, that is what the bible says, and anyone can say it does not apply to us or to anyone but God all they want and it will not change my mind. It was kept by Jesus, He did not denounce it, there is nothing in the bible that says, from here on out we are not to keep the Sabbath any more than it says we are NOT keep any of the other 9 commandments. Obeying them will not get you into the presence of God-----not obeying them will keep you out. There is no unrepentant murderer that will enter heaven, nor liars nor thieves.
As for any other bible--I only read the accepted versions, I know nothing about the Clear Word and would not buy it any more than I by the Jefferson Bible, or the Catholic study bible, or the new one by the Church of God, or Joyce Myer, or any other of those denominational study bibles out there, including the new bible that is published as a study on the fundmental believes of the founding fathers of this nation, (I can't remember what they call it). Everybody and their mother has a study bible out there.
And for you information, the days of the wekk were named by God--day 1 through 7-any other names were named by man and named after pagan believes but those are the names thst everyone goes by now. There are those that call Sunday the 8th day, which also is not biblical--they can call the days whatever they want-the Sabbath is still the 7th day, the day of rest from Creation---you do what you want with that.


As for EGW being a "bit of a racist"--that too is hooey---she advocated antislavery including disobeying the laws about it and supporting the underground railroad. The statements about leadership and intermarriage and all that was simply to not hinder the spreading of the word of God and to not bring unhappyness to children of those marriages, which were considered black even if they looked white, not that it was a sin by any means. It was against the law in most states to intermarry.
 
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So you think being anti-slavery = not being racist? What hooey. At any rate, St. Michael the Archangel does not = Jesus, it's nowhere in the Bible, except in your interpretation, the SDA interpretation, the SDA Bible. The days of the week were named by the pagan Romans, and were brought into the known world which Christians inhabited, the Roman Empire, which was pagan until Constantine legalized Christianity, and even after he legalized Christianity. Constantine didn't change the day of worship, and neither did any pope. The Gospel speaks of Mary Magdalene, Peter, and John worshiping Jesus on his day of resurrection-Sunday. That's when we worship God. We haven't changed the Sabbath, by the way. We believe every day is holy.
 
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At any rate, St. Michael the Archangel does not = Jesus, it's nowhere in the Bible, except in your interpretation, the SDA interpretation, the SDA Bible.


I have never read the SDA bible--nor the Joyce Myer bible, nor the Catholic bible, nor the Church of God bible, nor the founding fathers bible, nor the Jefferson bible, nor the study bibles of any of the other 100's of denominational study bibles.
If you had bothered to read the links provided you would have found that several other denominations believe Michael and Jesus are the same and not a one of them have anhything to do with SDA or EGW. They arrive at it from the bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel)
 
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So you think being anti-slavery = not being racist? What hooey. At any rate, St. Michael the Archangel does not = Jesus, it's nowhere in the Bible, except in your interpretation, the SDA interpretation, the SDA Bible. The days of the week were named by the pagan Romans, and were brought into the known world which Christians inhabited, the Roman Empire, which was pagan until Constantine legalized Christianity, and even after he legalized Christianity. Constantine didn't change the day of worship, and neither did any pope. The Gospel speaks of Mary Magdalene, Peter, and John worshiping Jesus on his day of resurrection-Sunday. That's when we worship God. We haven't changed the Sabbath, by the way. We believe every day is holy.

In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her!
—Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.

The church admits they change the day if worship.
 
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In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her!
—Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.

The church admits they change the day if worship.
But CONSTANTINE didn't do it. No Pope did it. A council did it, but never changed the Sabbath, only choosing to worship the Lord on Sunday.
 
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But CONSTANTINE didn't do it. No Pope did it. A council did it, but never changed the Sabbath, only choosing to worship the Lord on Sunday.

Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306 to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign. Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine.”i

Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321. It says this:

On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.ii

Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:

Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321 A.D.iii
 
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But CONSTANTINE didn't do it. No Pope did it. A council did it, but never changed the Sabbath, only choosing to worship the Lord on Sunday.

In the Catechism of the Council of Trent,The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!
–p 402, second revised edition (English), 1937. (First published in 1566)

In the Augsburg Confession,They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the ten commandments.
—Art. 28.
 
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Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306 to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign. Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine.”i

Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321. It says this:

On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.ii

Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:

Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321 A.D.iii
Actually, no. Sunday, Mary Magdalene, Peter and John worshiped the Lord. Constantine may have written a Sunday law, but other than legalizing the Catholic Church and becoming a Catholic himself, has nothing to do with Catholic law.
 
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In the Catechism of the Council of Trent,The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!
–p 402, second revised edition (English), 1937. (First published in 1566)

In the Augsburg Confession,They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the ten commandments.
—Art. 28.
The fact remains, we didn't change the Sabbath, we only changed the day of worship to the Eighth Day-the Lord's Day. God rested on the Sabbath-the seventh day. How could that change?
 
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In the Catechism of the Council of Trent,The Church of God has thought it well to transfer the celebration and observance of the Sabbath to Sunday!
–p 402, second revised edition (English), 1937. (First published in 1566)

In the Augsburg Confession,They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord’s day, contrary to the decalogue, as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the ten commandments.
—Art. 28.

Why bother with these 500 year old documents? St. Justin Martyr attests to Sunday worship, as do the Gospels themselves. Sunday was not on the agenda at Nicea, Nicea was anout the divinity of Jesus Christ (was Jesus Christ God incarnate? The Nicene Christians, who became the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, the Nestorians and much later the majority of mainstream Protestants, like Calvinists, Lutherans and Anglicans, said yes.

Also, because the Rabinnical Jews moved to a fixed calendar (the Karaites later attempted to restore the old Jewish calendar which is based on when the Barley crop sprouts up in Israel in the month of Habib), the Christians could no longer rely on the Jewish community's timing of Pascha, so the Nicene Council implemented a system for timing Pascha that replaced the older approaches (which were either Quartodecimian or Pascha was held on the Sunday closest to 14 Nissan according to the Jewish calendar, the Quartodecimians included St. Polycarp and probably St. Justin Martyr and were mainly in Asia Minor, and the rest of the church used the Sunday after 14 Nissan, and the Computus or Paschalion established at Nicea provided a replacement for 14 Nissan, because the Jews had changed their calendar and the Christians all wanted to celebrate the feast of the resurrection together, everywhere in the world).

By the way, your use of the Augsburg Confession is misleading, because the traditioonal Lutheran churches which still hold to that confession, like the LCMS, WELS, the Evangelical Lutheran Synod (not the ELCA) and the Mission Province of the Church of Sweden all worship on Sunday. Very few, if any, even have vespers on Saturday. @MarkRohfrietsch and @ViaCrucis , sho are top notch confessional Lutherans, should be able to fill you in on the details.

What I dont like is how SDA theology seems to be driven primarily by polemical opposition to the Roman Catholics. When I read Ellen White, I cant stand the way she demonizes the Catholics and dehumanizes the popes and bishops, many of those she criticized being in reality very humble and pious Christians, like Pope St. Gregory the Great. He evangelized the Angles, the Germanic tribe which had conquered the former Roman and Celtic land of Brittania, by sending St. Augustine of Canterbury, and as a result England and the other British Isles remained Christian through the Saxon and Norman conquests, and without that one act of Pope St. Gregory, Ellen White never would have had any cause to write her books, because all of the Anglo Saxon people from whom she descended would still be practicing some form of Germanic paganism.
 
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The fact remains, we didn't change the Sabbath, we only changed the day of worship to the Eighth Day-the Lord's Day. God rested on the Sabbath-the seventh day. How could that change?


There is no 8th day---there are 7 days in the creation week, with the 7th the day of rest. Please quote the verse that says there is an 8th day. It goes from 1 -7--did you change that too??
 
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Why bother with these 500 year old documents? St. Justin Martyr attests to Sunday worship, as do the Gospels themselves. Sunday was not on the agenda at Nicea, Nicea was anout the divinity of Jesus Christ (was Jesus Christ God incarnate? The Nicene Christians, who became the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, the Nestorians and much later the majority of mainstream Protestants, like Calvinists, Lutherans and Anglicans, said yes.

Also, because the Rabinnical Jews moved to a fixed calendar (the Karaites later attempted to restore the old Jewish calendar which is based on when the Barley crop sprouts up in Israel in the month of Habib), the Christians could no longer rely on the Jewish community's timing of Pascha, so the Nicene Council implemented a system for timing Pascha that replaced the older approaches (which were either Quartodecimian or Pascha was held on the Sunday closest to 14 Nissan according to the Jewish calendar, the Quartodecimians included St. Polycarp and probably St. Justin Martyr and were mainly in Asia Minor, and the rest of the church used the Sunday after 14 Nissan, and the Computus or Paschalion established at Nicea provided a replacement for 14 Nissan, because the Jews had changed their calendar and the Christians all wanted to celebrate the feast of the resurrection together, everywhere in the world).

By the way, your use of the Augsburg Confession is misleading, because the traditioonal Lutheran churches which still hold to that confession, like the LCMS, WELS, the Evangelical Lutheran Synod (not the ELCA) and the Mission Province of the Church of Sweden all worship on Sunday. Very few, if any, even have vespers on Saturday. @MarkRohfrietsch and @ViaCrucis , sho are top notch confessional Lutherans, should be able to fill you in on the details.

What I dont like is how SDA theology seems to be driven primarily by polemical opposition to the Roman Catholics. When I read Ellen White, I cant stand the way she demonizes the Catholics and dehumanizes the popes and bishops, many of those she criticized being in reality very humble and pious Christians, like Pope St. Gregory the Great. He evangelized the Angles, the Germanic tribe which had conquered the former Roman and Celtic land of Brittania, by sending St. Augustine of Canterbury, and as a result England and the other British Isles remained Christian through the Saxon and Norman conquests, and without that one act of Pope St. Gregory, Ellen White never would have had any cause to write her books, because all of the Anglo Saxon people from whom she descended would still be practicing some form of Germanic paganism.

Article XXVIII of the Augsburg Confession considers the abuses of Ecclesiastical power, specifically in the conflation of Ecclesiastical and secular powers. Here is the relevant portion from the Article:

"If they have any other power or jurisdiction, in hearing and judging certain cases, as of matrimony or of tithes, etc., they have it by human right, in which matters princes are bound, even against their will, when the ordinaries fail, to dispense justice to their subjects for the maintenance of peace. Moreover, it is disputed whether bishops or pastors have the right to introduce ceremonies in the Church, and to make laws concerning meats, holy-days and grades, that is, orders of ministers, etc. They that give this right to the bishops refer to this testimony John 16:12-13: I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth. They also refer to the example of the Apostles, who commanded to abstain from blood and from things strangled, Acts 15:29. They refer to the Sabbath-day as having been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalog, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath-day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!"

Herein is specifically a criticism of using the authority of the Church as a pretense to introduce innovation. In keeping with the Church's ancient and holy tradition, the Church must confess the faith once and for all delivered; and so when there are those who argue that it is within the power of the Church to introduce innovation into the life and faith of the Church it goes against the Church's own ancient and historic teaching.

It's worth noting that the Latin text agrees with the English here, using diem dominicum ("Lord's Day") rather than "Sunday"; though the German does use Sonntag. I would consider that bordering on the devious, however, as the quotemine seems to want to try to use the Confession as some sort of defense for Sabbatarianism, which of course it doesn't do because the Confession doesn't support Sabbatarianism; and by choosing "Sunday" it can avoid the awkwardness of the reality that the Latin text which would have been presented to the Emperor at the Diet says "Lord's Day" and that Lutherans understand that Christians, ordinarily, worship on the first day of the week, known as the Lord's Day. The criticism here is in extrajudicial claims made by some within the Church that it is within the Church's power to innovate--the Church has never switched the Sabbath to the Lord's Day, the biblical Sabbath was on the 7th day, the day which Christians have always come together for worship is on the first day, the Lord's Day.

But it isn't like this is particularly new for SDA apologists to do this, misquoting other Christian works in order to make false claims in defense of their innovative and unbiblical teachings has--based on my own observances just on this website over the years--been the norm. The Reformers, of course, can't be called upon to defend Adventist teachings, because the Reformers would have found Adventist teaching to be heretical and blasphemous in the same way they regarded the Radicals and Enthusiasts. The Reformers, more than likely, would be banned from Christian Forums for flaming if they were to write about Adventism and many other neo-Protestant sects that have arisen in the last two centuries.

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There is no 8th day---there are 7 days in the creation week, with the 7th the day of rest. Please quote the verse that says there is an 8th day. It goes from 1 -7--did you change that too??

Christ's resurrection made things new; in western Christianity the idea of "8th day" is a symbol of the new beginning for mankind; almost a new or recreation for mankind.

It is most common in western liturgical Churches for our baptismal fonts to express this symbolism by having 8 sides; a few examples:
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A lot of ancient churches were designed octagonally as well. The number eight has traditionally symbolized new life, resurrection, regeneration in a Christian context; going back to the idea that the resurrection of Christ signifies the renewal of creation, and it is therefore the day of new creation when He rose from the dead. Six days God worked, the seventh He rested, and on the 8th day He makes all things new.

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On Monday-----Yah---OK. That's biblical--those are very pretty. Though, the Mormons have much more magnificent ones.


Without the Trinity as expressed in Scripture, their beauty does not make up for efficacy.
 
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On Monday-----Yah---OK. That's biblical

I don't think anyone is attempting to suggest that the 8th day language is "biblical". The point of it is to illustrate the connection between creation and new creation, it points to the reality that in Christ God has made, is making, and will make all things new. The resurrection of Jesus isn't just so you and I can "go to heaven", it's for the redemption of all creation.

And so, symbolically, the day of Christ's resurrection has been called the 8th day, that language goes all the way back to the earliest years of Christianity.

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I don't think anyone is attempting to suggest that the 8th day language is "biblical". The point of it is to illustrate the connection between creation and new creation, it points to the reality that in Christ God has made, is making, and will make all things new. The resurrection of Jesus isn't just so you and I can "go to heaven", it's for the redemption of all creation.

And so, symbolically, the day of Christ's resurrection has been called the 8th day, that language goes all the way back to the earliest years of Christianity.

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Well stated as usual; you must get more sleep than I do.;)
 
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The criticism here is in extrajudicial claims made by some within the Church that it is within the Church's power to innovate--the Church has never switched the Sabbath to the Lord's Day, the biblical Sabbath was on the 7th day, the day which Christians have always come together for worship is on the first day, the Lord's Day.

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Ok so the"Church has never switched the Sabbath to the Lord's Day" then you are saying that the Sabbath still stands as it was written by GOD

Deuteronomy 9King James Version (KJV)
9 When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant which the Lord made with you, then I abode in the mount forty days and forty nights, I neither did eat bread nor drink water:

10 And the Lord delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the Lord spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Exodus 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So you are telling (rightly) the readers of this blog that by not keeping the Sabbath as God instructed are sinners.
 
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Ok so the"Church has never switched the Sabbath to the Lord's Day" then you are saying that the Sabbath still stands as it was written by GOD

Correct. The Sabbath was and always has been the seventh day as instituted by God in the Torah for the Jewish people as part of the covenant He made with them at Sinai.

Christians are under no obligation to observe the Sabbath because we aren't under the covenant God made with the Jewish people at Sinai, that covenant pointed us to the full reality which is in Christ.

Just curious, does the roof of your house have a parapet?
Also, you don't wear mixed fabric clothing do you?
How're the edges of your beard by the way?

Of course, what you'll want to do here is to claim that those commandments don't count because they weren't "written by God's finger" on the tablets of stone, but are merely the "laws of Moses" ignoring, of course, that each and every one of the commandments was given by God to and for Israel.

I mean you might as well check the boxes in order, it's part of the playbook.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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