Amos 3:7, the New Testament & the Commandments

[listed]

He is legally, and in every way, perfectly, high priest,
which
btw is perfect for our sakes, for our salvation.

Would you make the High Priest, Jesus, out to be a liar now,

for whatever reason, you claiming the law is done away with ,

when Jesus in Scripture always says otherwise ?

No just pointing out the law makes no provision for someone other than a Levite to be a priest.

i bring you back to Buggy's famous John 15:10.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But you want to know what religious group teaches what I post. Why?....

Urantia? Harishnes? no worries....

 

[listed]

All ready been over this- it's where the law is put, it says it in the context. His law on our inward parts.

Please answer my other question, what is your objective for teaching against God's law? What do you hope to gain?

I'll return your last question to you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No just pointing out the law makes no provision for someone other than a Levite to be a priest.....

Yeshua is King of the Jews, and High Priest. Perfectly.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I've seen first hand fruits of what you're asking. No thanks.

Good , I agree - but strange of you -
I agree the fruits of the group teaching what you are posting -
the teachings of the group
are not so good, eh ?
Best not to disclose the group as they are a cult known and exposed.

 

[listed]

I am not fully aware of what they believe. John says he "keeps" Torah and yet when asked if he keeps certain parts he either does not answer at all or he makes sly comments like when I asked him if he wears tassels on his garments he made a comment that proves he does not. Wearing tassels was a very important sign and God expected the Israelites to wear them.
Numbers 15:39
You will have these tassels to look at and so you will remember all the commands of the Lord, that you may obey them and not prostitute yourselves by chasing after the lusts of your own hearts and eyes.

Yeah there's not much that qualifies as conversation here.

 

[listed]

I did not ask what he or you think I believe. I asked why y'all teach against the law and the prophets. What is your objective to teach against them, what do you wish to accomplish by teaching others not to follow God's instuctions?

The same reason Paul does since you think he teaches against the law..

 

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This way of thinking has left multitudes wandering aimlessly, like sheep without a shepherd , I think.

Or children without schooling, 3 years old to 15 years old put out on the street on their own seeking things to do,
instead of being trained in the way they should live.

What is your point? Are you trying to say teaching others what money is and does means one shouldn't use it? Do you mean a persons should say 1+1= 5? I didn't learn coveting was wrong from the law. I learned it was wrong because of physical punishment.

 

[listed]

Did God say that in His word, or did you come up with that from your own understanding?

Did I post about celebration? Did you agree the sabbath was a celebration? You did ask what was wrong with celebrating, if I recall correctly.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What is your point? Are you trying to say teaching others what money is and does means one shouldn't use it? Do you mean a persons should say 1+1= 5? I didn't learn coveting was wrong from the law. I learned it was wrong because of physical punishment.

This explains a lot of where your erroneous teachings/posts came from.

YHWH gave His TORAH (Instructions; training in what is right; truth) so His People and we could know what is wrong.

Not so your parents or guardians or school teachers could punish you for not knowing.

 

[listed]

It means to me that little children are granted the experiential knowledge of everything concerning salvation in this life and in the life to come,
while scholars and the educated and religious leaders are often excluded, as this pleases the Father in heaven.

OK I think you said you're not debating. What are you doing?

Gotta go.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

OK I think you said you're not debating. What are you doing?

Gotta go.

Debating implies what ? What do you think debating is ?

Here on this forum, there is a lot of debating. It doesn't do any good.

Here on this forum, there is a little truth telling. YHWH's Testimony of Jesus.
It doesn't do any good either, for most people. (just as the GOOD NEWS did not do much good for most people in Athens)

But it is for the few who love God, who are called according to His Purpose. For them it is good, perhaps necessary, if they are here, while they are here.

 

[Bob S]

I said Tzitzit is a good idea so we remember His commandments sorry if you view that at a sly comment.

Quite right, I will lash myself with a wet noodle 10 times. That was very much the wrong adjective to use. I will go back and change it.

The fact is that you did not admit to wearing what God commanded the Israelites to wear. You come on the forum informing us that wee too should be observing Torah and you either make excuses why you can't, don't or won't.

 

[1John2:4]

What covenant did they brake? Isn't it the ten commandments Moses said was the covenant in Deuteronomy 4:13?

Why do you continue to ignore the enlarged portion of you quote?

The old Covenant was the 10 written on STONE, the new is INWARD PARTS same commandments.
They broke a marriage Covenant hence "I was a husband to them".

 

[1John2:4]

God's instruction to the Christian isn't to keep the covenant given to Israel. 1 John 3:23.

Both Covenants are given to Israel

 

[Bob S]

Debating implies what ? What do you think debating is ?

Here on this forum, there is a lot of debating. It doesn't do any good.

Here on this forum, there is a little truth telling. YHWH's Testimony of Jesus.
It doesn't do any good either, for most people. (just as the GOOD NEWS did not do much good for most people in Athens)

But it is for the few who love God, who are called according to His Purpose. For them it is good, perhaps necessary, if they are here, while they are here.

Actually, we cannot see the fruits of explaining the new covenant to Messianics or any other Torah observant group. They have an answer to all the questions. Well, at least they think they do. It all has to do with what someone has planted in our brains. SDAs planted their what they call the remnant beliefs into my mind and it took years to sort out the real truth.

 

[Bob S]

Both Covenants are given to Israel

Ah, but the covenant of eternal life, you know the "new" one, is the one Christians are to live by. The new covenant is very special, it includes all mankind not only if you are a Jew or become one. No wonder the writer of Hebrews called it a superior covenant. 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Does that explanation of the covenants tell you that the new one is just the same as the old one? Was there something wrong about God writing the commandments on stone?

 

[1John2:4]

I'll return your last question to you.

I don't do and teach against it, am I perfect at all times, no way no one is not even close. Abraham or David were not perfect either , only Yeshua our Messiah, the spotless lamb. though His grace and Spirit I do desire and try to walk as He walked.

 

[1John2:4]

Do you have "tzitzit" on your garments?

You are right, I'm a hypocrite I am not wearing them today at work. Maybe I should start wearing them to work to remind me to do and keep His commandments. it's a good idea, perhaps I will do that. Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Actually, we cannot see the fruits of explaining the new covenant to Messianics or any other Torah observant group. They have an answer to all the questions.

Maybe then, one day, you will learn why they have an answer to all the questions. YHWH grants this understanding to all His obedient children.