Americans say country is on wrong track, but votes to stay on it

[KCfromNC]

Strawman​

You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

In what way, specifically? Your post did list a number of GOP culture war items and the implication that voters who don't find those the "the greatest priorities" when deciding who to vote for.

 

[ozso]

In what way, specifically? Your post did list a number of GOP culture war items and the implication that voters who don't find those the "the greatest priorities" when deciding who to vote for.

Usually when someone understands what I'm saying and comments on it, my thought is something like "bingo, you got it". In this case I barely understand what you're saying.

 

[ozso]

Usually when someone understands what I'm saying and comments on it, my thought is something like "bingo, you got it". In this case I don't really know what you're talking about.

 

[NxNW]

I go by what I hear the democrat left lib woke segment saying. And what I've heard them say quite a lot about is keeping their precious abortions legal, making their precious narcotic drugs legal, and supporting LGBTQ2+ being pushed on young children in public schools. Basically the top priorities seem to be sex and drugs. And then of course there's all the freebies they want. Like having the government via tax payers, cover their tuition for their arts degree that won't get them a job that pays enough to pay off their own tuition.

Of course, nobody is actually saying all those things, but it's a nice straw man you can argue against.

 

[ozso]

Of course, nobody is actually saying all those things, but it's a nice straw man you can argue against.

Nobody is saying they want abortion to be as legal and accessible as possible? Nobody is saying they want drugs to be legalized? Nobody is saying it's okay to have LGBTQ material in school libraries? That it's okay for drag queens and transgenders teaching young kids all about it? Nobody is saying they want the government to pay for either their tuition or pay off their student loans? People aren't saying they're more likely to get any or all of that from the democrat party, rather than from the republican party? I'm sure most anyone reading this, knows they do. Even those who deny they do.

 

[variant]

Nobody is saying they want abortion to be as legal and accessible as possible? Nobody is saying they want drugs to be legalized?

Certainly there are some people. The larger electorate has a broad swath of ideas on these issues. The Republican party has done poorly surly because they have pressed for the most restrictive abortion access laws even when the public doesn't want such policies. They also made the miscalculation of saying they would pass a national abortion ban if in power after decades of saying they wanted to leave the issue to the states. They have also been against the legalization of even drugs that most consider harmless like pot.

Nobody is saying it's okay to have LGBTQ material in school libraries? That it's okay for drag queens and transgenders teaching young kids all about it? Nobody is saying they want the government to pay for either their tuition or pay off their student loans? People aren't saying they're more likely to get any or all of that from the democrat party, rather than from the republican party? I'm sure most anyone reading this, knows they do. Even those who deny they do.

These issues are such big winners for the democrats that it's Republicans that tend to bring them up. Which would be odd if you think that is why the Democrats did better than expected.

Your characterization of the electorate at large is in fact a strawman that you've summoned to beat on rather than to have a serious discussion. Good luck with that.

 

[SimplyMe]

You and the other should just stick to adressing what I said and stay on topic, rather than getting into elaborate derailing critiques.

I go by what I hear the democrat left lib woke segment saying. And what I've heard them say quite a lot about is keeping their precious abortions legal, making their precious narcotic drugs legal, and supporting LGBTQ2+ being pushed on young children in public schools. Basically the top priorities seem to be sex and drugs. And then of course there's all the freebies they want. Like having the government via tax payers, cover their tuition for their arts degree that won't get them a job that pays enough to pay off their own tuition.

The bottom line, in your complaints about my post, is you don't like my candidness.

So, in other words, you aren't listening to Democrats, you are listening to Republican candidates straw man what "Democrats want." As pointed out above, your list is incorrect. Which, again, points out that your claim was a straw man, even if you weren't the originator, and you did it to bypass debate and make your position seem more reasonable.

 

[Aldebaran]

Questioning someone's mental state is fair game. Confusing someone's mental state with the after effects of a stroke exhibits an ignorance of the problem from which they suffer.

Is that to imply that if someone has a stroke, the effects from it can't impact the person's ability to do an important job, and that anyone who believes otherwise is "ignorant"?

 

[Aldebaran]

Fetterman doesn't have dementia. Stroke and dementia are two different things.

Albeism is prejudice and arbitrary discrimination against the disabled, merely because they are disabled. Having a stroke doesn't preclude a person from doing productive activities.

Did you mean "ableism"? Well, I believe someone should be "able" to do the job, and do it effectively. If you believe that's discriminatory, then you should have no problem with paraplegics being hired as firefighters, or blind people being hired as airline pilots.

 

[Yttrium]

Is that to imply that if someone has a stroke, the effects from it can't impact the person's ability to do an important job, and that anyone who believes otherwise is "ignorant"?

I don't see how that would be implied by what Bradskii said.

 

[Bradskii]

Is that to imply that if someone has a stroke, the effects from it can't impact the person's ability to do an important job, and that anyone who believes otherwise is "ignorant"?

If someone thinks that a stroke automatically implies a reduction in mental abilities then they are ignorant of the condition.

 

[Aldebaran]

If someone thinks that a stroke automatically implies a reduction in mental abilities then they are ignorant of the condition.

Tell that to the experts:
"A stroke, or brain attack, happens when blood flow to your brain is stopped. It is an emergency situation. The brain needs a constant supply of oxygen and nutrients in order to work well. If blood supply is stopped even for a short time, this can cause problems. Brain cells begin to die after just a few minutes without blood or oxygen.

When brain cells die, brain function is lost. You may not be able to do things that are controlled by that part of the brain. For example, a stroke may affect your ability to move, speak, eat, think and remember, control your bowel and bladder, control your emotions and control other vital body functions."

A stroke can happen to anyone at any time. Know the signs.

Morristown-Hamblen Healthcare System is invested in the health of Tennesseans like you. Learn the risks and symptoms of stroke, and how strokes are treated.

www.morristownhamblen.com

 

[Bradskii]

Nobody is saying they want abortion to be as legal and accessible as possible? Nobody is saying they want drugs to be legalized? Nobody is saying it's okay to have LGBTQ material in school libraries? That it's okay for drag queens and transgenders teaching young kids all about it? Nobody is saying they want the government to pay for either their tuition or pay off their student loans? People aren't saying they're more likely to get any or all of that from the democrat party, rather than from the republican party? I'm sure most anyone reading this, knows they do. Even those who deny they do.

Apart from abortion, I'm not aware of any of those matters that were proposed by Democrats in the midterms. It's not like they were pushing for the legalisation of marijuana. I'm not aware of anyone stating that we need LGBTQ materials in classrooms. I can't recall a prospective senator demanding that drag queens tell stories to kids. These are all talking points by Republicans. They bring all this up in a negative way saying that the sky is falling and we must stop it!

And the vociferous pushback you get (because it rankles with people who want to make these decisions themselves - you know, the American Way with no government interference) leads you to believe that these matters are exceptionally important. They are, individually to a relatively small group of people. But in the grand scheme of things, as matters to determine who will govern us, it's white noise.

Your position is all negative. You can't have this. You shouldn't do that. People can't have access to that. We will ban it. We will prevent it. It's all 'thou shall not...' and there's hardly anything positive at all. The Republicans at the moment are appealing to only their hard core, rusted on supporters. And you are about to lose a lot of those now that the guy from Mar a Lago has thrown his MAGA hat into the ring. He'll split your vote between the far right and the moderates, so heaven knows who you need to appeal to now.

 

[Bradskii]

Tell that to the experts:
"A stroke, or brain attack, happens when blood flow to your brain is stopped. It is an emergency situation. The brain needs a constant supply of oxygen and nutrients in order to work well. If blood supply is stopped even for a short time, this can cause problems. Brain cells begin to die after just a few minutes without blood or oxygen.

When brain cells die, brain function is lost. You may not be able to do things that are controlled by that part of the brain. For example, a stroke may affect your ability to move, speak, eat, think and remember, control your bowel and bladder, control your emotions and control other vital body functions."

A stroke can happen to anyone at any time. Know the signs.

Morristown-Hamblen Healthcare System is invested in the health of Tennesseans like you. Learn the risks and symptoms of stroke, and how strokes are treated.

www.morristownhamblen.com

I'm glad you now know that a stroke may do some of those things. And not will do them.

 

[Aldebaran]

Apart from abortion, I'm not aware of any of those matters that were proposed by Democrats in the midterms. It's not like they were pushing for the legalisation of marijuana.....

Actually, there was a local referendum for my town to legalize Marijuana. Of course, it passed. So now people can smoke dope wherever and whenever they want, and wish for Heroin and Cocaine to be legalized. Oregon Decriminalizes Small Amounts of Heroin and Cocaine; Four States Legalize Marijuana (Published 2020)

 

[Aldebaran]

I'm glad you now know that a stroke may do some of those things. And not will do them.

Since Fetterman refused to release his medical records, the public is left in the dark as to what was done, versus what may have been done.
So much for transparency. Fetterman declines to commit to releasing more medical records and points to improvements in speech | CNN Politics

 

[Bradskii]

Actually, there was a local referendum for my town to legalize Marijuana. Of course, it passed. So now people can smoke dope wherever and whenever they want, and wish for Heroin and Cocaine to be legalized. Oregon Decriminalizes Small Amounts of Heroin and Cocaine; Four States Legalize Marijuana (Published 2020)

We were talking the midterms and the policies that each candidate stood for. Neither Joe Rae Perkins or Ron Wyden mentioned it as far as I can see. Although I did note that Perkins said, regarding climate change, that if CO2 was reduced to zero then the trees would die. No, seriously, she actually said that.

Thankfully, Wyden won easily.

 

[Bradskii]

Since Fetterman refused to release his medical records, the public is left in the dark as to what was done, versus what may have been done.
So much for transparency. Fetterman declines to commit to releasing more medical records and points to improvements in speech | CNN Politics

If I were him, I'd release them to prevent people making unwarrented assumptions.

 

[Hans Blaster]

legalized narcotics,

Legalization of narcotics is a very fringe position. Not sure why it is in your list.

 

[variant]

Since Fetterman refused to release his medical records, the public is left in the dark as to what was done, versus what may have been done.
So much for transparency. Fetterman declines to commit to releasing more medical records and points to improvements in speech | CNN Politics

Dr. Oz was such a terrible candidate that people were more comfortable with the guy who just had a stroke. Instead of being mad you should be focused on why exactly that was.

The candidate for governor candidate lost by 14 points because he was also a terrible candidate and was running against someone who had no such medical issues.