Americans say country is on wrong track, but votes to stay on it

[Desk trauma]

t depends on how stoned someone wants to get and how prone they are to addition.

Like I said, those other, lesser, people need the law to keep them from such things.

 

[ozso]

Like I said, those other, lesser, people need the law to keep them from such things.

Where did I say that? Pot shops are just like tobacco and liquor stores. But many who want narcotics legalized aren't going to stop wanting it with just the legalization of marijuana.

As for levels of addiction, that's an issue no one has control over. Rather than it being a case of winners and losers. Haven't you ever heard of successful people having to go into rehab before?

 

[Desk trauma]

Where did I say that?

Per your posts its a gateway drug yet seeing as you avoided that clearly that's only an issue for lesser folks.

But many who want narcotics legalized aren't going to stop wanting it with just the legalization of marijuana.

I certainly want to call the whole drug war off due to it being a farcical failure, but I'm an outlier. Most of those pushing for drug law reform for cannabis are really just wanting that one, most outrageously stupid, part of our drug laws corrected and often espouse cannabis being made legal so law enforcement can concentrate on the rest of the drug war as if that will work.

 

[comana]

It depends on how stoned someone wants to get and how prone they are to addition. Also I only tried CBD for anxiety caused by palpations due to a benign cardio-electrical issue, which was solved with a beta blocker.

Anyways people who become drug addicts start off with the soft stuff like marijuana. Just like alcoholics start off with beer or wine and eventually end up guzzling Wild Turkey. People who become addicted to smoking start off puffing Marlboro lights and end up chain smoking Pall Mall unfiltereds. Legal or not, it's all bad stuff to get into for way too many people.

Just because some people move on to harder stuff doesn’t mean we should limit the freedoms of those who don’t. Cannabis is used legally by many who never entertain trying anything else, but when purchased from street dealers their is more opportunity to have harder drugs offered.

 

[Aldebaran]

What? That makes no sense...

The supply chain for alcohol and tobacco is under the control of the government. They determine who makes alcohol. It's very strictly licensed. They control, by various taxes, how strong it is. They control who can sell it. They control where it is sold. When it is sold. Who can drink it. Good grief, in some cases how much of it you can actually drink. That's what strictly controlled means, for heaven's sake. The supply chain is completely under the control of the government.

So did somebody say that we should remove or collapse the supply chain or take control of it? Gosh, I think it was the latter. Let me check...

Yeah, he said 'control the manufacture and distribution yourself.' Just as you do with booze.

Can you please try to read what I am saying and address that rather than making random non sequiturs?

You said in post #242:

But what you can do is make it redundant. Make the supply of narcotics exactly as was done with alcohol and tobacco. Control the manufacture and distribution yourself. That supply chain then collapses. They'd have nothing to sell that anyone would want to buy.

Therefore, it was you who indeed said "collapse" it. As you have now learned, you were wrong.

 

[DaisyDay]

You said in post #242:


Therefore, it was you who indeed said "collapse" it. As you have now learned, you were wrong.

The black-market for alcohol did largely collapse after the repeal of prohibition.

 

[Aldebaran]

The black-market for alcohol did largely collapse after the repeal of prohibition.

The supply chain.
The supply chain is what was being addressed.

 

[Bradskii]

Only if they're heading down to Knoxville with the weekly load.

I was going to give that a star rating as well for picking up on the the song, but...where do I get the star? It doesn't appear in the row of icons.

Edit: Open your eyes, Bradskii...

 

[DaisyDay]

The supply chain.
The supply chain is what was being addressed.

The black-market supply chain largely collapsed after Prohibition was rescinded.

 

[Aldebaran]

The black-market supply chain largely collapsed after Prohibition was rescinded.

Go back to post #209. Read the quote and the reply. Then you'll understand what is being discussed.

 

[Bradskii]

I wrote that the desire for narcotics to be legalized (euphemistically called decriminalized) is one of the issues that motivated people to vote democrat. To which I was told nobody says that and those are GOP talking points...

I've never seen a thread where that was put forward as a great idea. The only reason it's being discussed in this thread is that a (presumed) Republican supporter (that would be you) said it was something that Democrat leaning types are always talking about. We're not, but that showed exactly what's being explained to you. You think it is simply because you get some push back when you bring the topic up.

You prompt the discussion yourself by claiming that narcotics is a hot button topic for Dems (it most definitely isn't) and then have the temerity to claim that you were right because we're arguing against your position.

 

[Bradskii]

Therefore, it was you who indeed said "collapse" it. As you have now learned, you were wrong.

Obviously the illegal supply chain. That's a pretty desperate attempt to not have to say 'ah yes, I see what you meant'.

 

[ozso]

Just because some people move on to harder stuff doesn’t mean we should limit the freedoms of those who don’t. Cannabis is used legally by many who never entertain trying anything else, but when purchased from street dealers their is more opportunity to have harder drugs offered.

Society is becoming more hedonistic on a daily basis.

 

[ozso]

Per your posts its a gateway drug yet seeing as you avoided that clearly that's only an issue for lesser folks.

I certainly want to call the whole drug war off due to it being a farcical failure, but I'm an outlier. Most of those pushing for drug law reform for cannabis are really just wanting that one, most outrageously stupid, part of our drug laws corrected and often espouse cannabis being made legal so law enforcement can concentrate on the rest of the drug war as if that will work.

I get it. Eliminate narcotics laws.

 

[ozso]

Like I said, those other, lesser, people need the law to keep them from such things.

Like you said.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Society is becoming more hedonistic on a daily basis.

So?

 

[comana]

Society is becoming more hedonistic on a daily basis.

More likely humans have always been this way.

 

[Bradskii]

I get it. Eliminate narcotics laws.

That would be the sound bite. The one where you pause for a moment and wait for the cheers/jeers and applause. Best to use the Rule Of Three. As in: 'They want to murder our children (slight pause for reaction); they want to groom our kids (longer pause for applause). And they want to eliminate narcotics laws!' (raise both hands to acknowledge thunderous ovation).

That passes for incisive political debate these days. After umpteen posts of people explaining what could and perhaps should be done to solve an extremely complex and expensive problem (expensive in lives as well as money), that is how you describe any opposition to your position?

Really?

 

[Desk trauma]

I get it. Eliminate narcotics laws.

Replace prohibition with regulation and end the drug war farce.

 

[ozso]

Replace prohibition with regulation and end the drug war farce

Describe what you mean by regulation.