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ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Asaph George, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Bible Highlighter

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    I updated post #238.
    Hit the refresh button on page 12, my friends.

    Thank you;
    And may God bless you all today.
     
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    Tulip was a response and reproving of the papist Arminian 5 articles of remonstrance. Calvin had nothing to do with it. Although he would agree with it. To disagree with tulip gives evidence and bears the corrupt fruit of false professors who deny the gospel of grace in Christ
     
  3. Bible Highlighter

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    I do not believe History is inspired like God's Word. Hence, I prefer to stick with the Word of God than history made up by men.

    "Let God be found true [as He will be], though every person be found a liar,"
    (Romans 3:4) (AMP).

    "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Matthew 24:35).
     
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    Eternal Security or Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) can easily be disproved by pointing out the surrounding context of a verse that supposedly proves it. For there hasn't been a verse (that supposedly proves Eternal Security) that I was not able to refute using Scripture.

    In fact, I am not sure how a person can read the Bible and ignore all the verses that refute the unbiblical teaching of Eternal Security. For when a person reads their Bible they will see a refutation of Eternal Security in the majority of the New Testament (and in some cases, depending on the book, they will see a refutation of Eternal Security on almost every page). Therefore, I beg everyone here (who believes in Eternal Security and who has an open heart to receive the seed of God's Word into their heart) to re-examine what they believe and look at the following verses by way of prayer. For if I am wrong, I have nothing to lose (because I do not believe in "Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism"; I believe in "Relationship-ism with God That Produces the Fruits of the Lord Within A Person's Life"). But if the Eternal Security Proponent is wrong, they have everything to lose. Anyways, here is a...


    Long List of Verses Refuting Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

    • Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.
    • Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.
    • Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.
    • Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.
    • Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.
    • Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.
    • Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.
    • Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?
    • Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.
    • John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).
    • John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.
    • John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.
    • John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?
    • Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

    • Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.
    • Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.
    • Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.
    • Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.
    • Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.
    • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    • 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

    • 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.
    • 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

    • Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.
    • Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    • Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
    • Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

    • Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.
    • Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.
    • Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
    • … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

    • Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.
    • Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

    • Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.
    • 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.
    • 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

    • 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.
    • 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).
    • 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.
    • Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.
    • Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?
    • Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

    • Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.
    • Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

    • Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).
    • Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.
    • Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

    • Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

    • Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.
    • Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.
    • Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (without which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.
    • Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.
    • James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.
    • 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

    • 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.
    • 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.
    • 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.
    • 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    • 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.
    • 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.
    • 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

    • Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

    • Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.
    • Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).
    • Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.
    • Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.
    • Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.
    • Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.
    • Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.
    • Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.
    • Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.


    Source:
    Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS
     
  5. Asaph George

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    Hello Jason,

    It is true all men think is futile. Jesus said that it is they (the scriptures) which testify of Him. God has revealed the Truth to us through His Word, the Holy Bible. Some read it without the Holy Spirit so they can't comprehend it. So since they can't comprehend it by the Spirit, they have to make it about something else and they get stuck in either legalism or license or some other thing.

    May God bless you dear brother.
     
  6. JLB777

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    No your not missing anything.


    Jesus plainly taught us if one of His sheep, who wanders away from the Shepherd and "those who need no repentance" and becomes lost, have returned to being a sinner in need of repentance.

    4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7

    • there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.


    Likewise the prodigal son who leaves his father, and becomes lost; dead to the father.


    It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’” Luke 15:32

    • for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.

    Lost = A sinner in need of repentance; spiritually dead to God

    Found = Reconciled to God; Spiritually alive


    Jesus' little brother says it this way -


    Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20


    Same language as Jesus -

    The brother who wanders from the truth, has returned to being a sinner, in need of repentance.

    Someone must go and turn this wayward brother back, so he will not be lost in eternal death.

    • he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death




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    Amen!


    There is no such heresy as OSAS found in the bible.



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    Yeah, my heart grieves for those who are on each of the opposite extreme sides of the spectrum.

    The Legalism crowd I see today is not as great in numbers as the License crowd. I define the Legalism crowd as those who make laws for God that are no longer binding and or laws of God that do not exist. I do believe that disobeying God's laws (within the New Testament) can lead to spiritual death. But it is not about just keeping a set of rules alone (of course). We are ultimately saved by God's grace and mercy with His death and resurrection when we asked Jesus to forgive us of our sin. But obedience to God's laws in the New Testament should naturally follow after a person receives Christ (because the Lord lives inside a person).

    Forms of Legalism today can be seen in those who say you need to be baptized in order to be saved, or you need to observe the Saturday Sabbath to be saved, and or you need to go back and obey all of the ceremonial rules within the Old Testament Law to be saved, etc.

    May God bless you even more, my brother.

    Thank you.
    It is an encouragement to see a fellow brother believe in a similar way as me.

    Note: I just need to confirm. Do you believe in the Trinity? I believe in the Trinity. I believe the Lord our God is one God and yet He also exists as three distinct persons (Such as the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost).

    I believe the Word (Jesus) was made flesh.
    I believe the Living Word (Who has always existed as God) took on a flesh and blood human body through the virgin Mary.
     
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    In Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved), the talk of holiness and conforming to Christ is an illusion because they also say you can sin on occasion and yet you are still saved. This is what the two fold message of Eternal Security is all about.

    However, we know that the general message of OSAS in many cases tends to lead people into being enslaved to their sin and not being set free from it. How so? Just check out these testimonies below.

    Ex OSAS Audio Testimonies:
    Testimonies of former eternal security believers
    Testimonies of former eternal security believers

    Suicide & OSAS:
    A tragic story of an OSAS believer.

    A Pastor's Testimony on OSAS:
    A testimony about OSAS by a Pastor's wife.

    Hooked on Sin & OSAS:
    Out Of Darkness NO Eternal Security Christian Testimony

    Suicide, Mass Murder, and OSAS:
    George Sodini
     
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    That’s factual history. I’m sure that statement sounds good to the pretentious hypocrites who would have done what Rome was doing during that time of great inquisition and suppression of the truth. Or at least would have approved of it
     
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    What I said from Romans 3:4 stands, my friend.

    May the Lord's love and peace be upon you today.
     
  12. MDC

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    If there’s no belief in the security or perseverance of the elect by faith, then there is NO BELIEF IN THE GOSPEL. There is no belief that eternal life rest in Christ alone.. works based salvation is promoted by those who are arrogant enough to believe that their works play any part in their salvation. They lack repentance and humility. God gets all the glory in the elects salvation in Christ. From start to finish. All you can do is elevate man and his so called good works in his salvation. Rather than giving Christ all the glory and His merits as the only basis for justification. Judaizers is what these folk are!
     
  13. Bible Highlighter

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    The Gospel:

    1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
    (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

    Fully preaching the gospel of Christ:

    18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
    19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

    1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).

    After We are Saved by God's Grace,
    God’s Works (Done Through Us) Are Also Required As a Part of the Salvation Process:


    (Here are a List of Verses):


    “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).
    "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).
    "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
    "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).
    "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).
    "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).
    "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).
    “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).
    "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).
    "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
    "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).
    “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
    "...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).
    “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).
    “...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).
    “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

    Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

    (a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
    (b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).

    "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4).

    "...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).

    Yes, God does get all the glory when He saves us both in Justification and in Sanctification when we surrender to God and allow His good works to flow through our life. For it is God who ultimately does the good work within us (See Philippians 2:13).

    I don't believe in Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism. I believe in obeying God's commands within the New Testament. How can it be wrong to (in part) promote obedience to God's commands as a part of being right with God? Did not Jesus say if you will enter into life, keep the commandments? (Matthew 19:17).

    Yes, we are saved by God's grace, but grace is not a license for immorality (See Jude 1:4) (NIV).

    How does God get the glory if man sins or becomes unfruitful in this life with the thinking he is saved? How does God get the glory if He saves some and not others (even when He had the power to save those others the same way)?

    How would you feel if you were lost at sea with 4 other people and the coast guard saved the other 4 people but not you? I imagine you would be pretty upset and you would think the coast guard was wrong for not saving you (when he had the power to clearly do so).

    I believe Jesus does the good work through me and I praise my Lord Jesus Christ alone for any good done in my life and not my self. So you are merely seeing something in what I believe the Scriptures say that is not there, my friend.

    Thank you for the insult.
    I will rejoice in God my Savior.

    May God bless you today.
     
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  14. MDC

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    No different than your mother Rome, compounding justification and sanctification. It is why you see your works in the process of salvation. If election is denied, then grace is denied in salvation. If one can lose eternal life in Christ, then the gospel has no effect. Therefore the gospel is denied by these “Judaizers”. If one doesn’t believe God is Sovereign over all creation, including the salvation and damnation of sinners, then this person HAS NOT been taught by the Spirit of God. Instead of leading others to fully surrender in faith to Christ and His merits alone for salvation, you teach eternal life and the assurance of it, isn’t in Christ. But those who seek to be delivered from sin and agonize over their wretched sinful self while pleading to be found in Christ’s righteousness, these are the ones who have been GRANTED repentance and are among the elect of God
     
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    But I am not Roman Catholic.
    I just believe what the Bible says.

    Anyways, please feel free to explain those verses I posted that show that God works done through the believer is a part of the salvation process (After being saved by God's grace).
     
  16. MDC

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    Sure you are you just don’t know it. And Rome says the same thing “I just believe what the Bible says”. The elect were saved and chosen by God in Christ UNTO GOOD WORKS.. created in Christ and ordained for such. It is the result of being saved. The fruit that it bears.
     
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    If you think you are so right, then explain these verses, my friend.

    “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).
    "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).
    "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
    "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4).
    "...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).
    "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).
    "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).
    "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).
    "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).
    "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).
    “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).
    "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).
    "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
    "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).
    “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
    "...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).
    “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).
    “...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).
    “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).
     
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    Thanks for posting these testimonies and this site.

    If you know of other sites like this please share.


    Thanks JLB
     
  19. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    This audio recorded sermon by Pastor Joe schimmel at YouTube called "The Great Deception: Once Saved Always Saved" is still one my all time favorites on the refutation of Eternal Security.

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    If you don't have it, the Believer's Conditional Security is a great book to own.

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    https://www.amazon.com/Believers-Conditional-Security-Eternal-Refuted/dp/0963907689/

    Safe Guard Your Soul has some good Eternal Security articles you might like.

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    Safe Guard Your Soul - Don't You Dare Disturb My Little Eternal Security Party.

    Alan Ballou preaches mostly on repentance and overcoming sin now, but he has one really good video on refuting Eternal Security.

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    His full set of YouTube videos can be found here:

    Alan Ballou's YouTube Page.

    May God bless you, brother.
     
  20. JLB777

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    It’s amazing how the Holy Spirit leads us into the truth.

    I have been fighting this deception doctrine for years, and using all the same scriptures and arguments as these folks, and have never even heard of these people.

    Awesome.

    It’s so true what the Bible teaches us about all saying and teaching the same thing, so we will not be divided.


    Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:10


    Heresy is any teaching that divides the body of Christ into sections or sects, as the are called.

    Today they are called denominations, which are based on chosen beliefs, and is another meaning of heresy.

    A belief that a person chooses.

    We are to learn and grow and be taught from the scriptures, so as to renew our mind to the truth of what the inspired word of God teaches.

    We don’t get to choose the parts we like, and disregard the other parts.


    Those who promote these heresies will not inherit the kingdom of God.



    JLB
     
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