MDC
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You never came out of Catholicism. Simply because their core belief of justification is works based and centered around the free will autonomy of man. They believe exactly what you believe on this doctrine of justification. They despise the gospel of grace and is why they teach what they teach. You speak of predestination and that you don’t deny Gods Sovereignty in salvation but yet the doctrine of losing eternal life in Christ is upheld by you. What a contradiction! Of course you deny Gods Sovereignty in salvation. Why else would you hold to what you do. You then say that the Spirit seals us and keeps us but yet you hold to the contradiction that the elect can fall away. So how exactly does Gods Spirit keep us if we can fall away to perdition? It’s very evident that those who teach such arrogant self righteous doctrines such as losing eternal life in Christ, have not been granted repentance and have not truly agonized over their wretched self so they may flee to Christ for redemption. Seek Gods mercy and to be found in ChristHello brother
Thank you very much for these kind and encouraging words. I need to hear some sometimes
My brother, I couldn't have summarized better what you just said here. The whole issue of OSAS not only is unbiblical but also goes against common sense. As soon as I heard about the doctrine, I was shocked to see how many believe in it. I came out of false doctrinal beliefs in the Catholic church. So I knew already that the answer should be in the Bible and it is. It is simply not there.
There is comfort and assurance, we are supposed to have assurance when walking in Christ. Also there is the concept of predestination and it is right there in the Bible. God's will is sovereign and we don't deny it. But the beauty of the whole thing is that He will have His way even though we can say no to Him. That is how Mighty our God is . Sure also the Spirit seals us and keeps us. But from there to say that we are saved even if we continue sinning is just pushing TOO MUCH unto these verses. The word "sin" is not even in these verses showing how much biblical support this doctrine is lacking.
It is true also what you said, it goes against the love of God. The issue is this, when I get to the end of the issue with OSAS brothers, I always ask them: "if God desires that no one perish and that all come to repentance, why doesn't He do it?"
Here many OSAS brothers start talking in weird ways like: "We cannot understand everything" or "it is the inscrutable wisdom of God", etc..
This to me is rational proof that it doesn't hold. I believe that there is much more behind the scenes that is happening. We don't battle against flesh and blood, the doctrine OSAS to me is a new modernized version of the same lie of the dragon in the garden: "Did He really say you will not die?"
I never look down on my OSAS brothers, I love them but when it comes to the truth, of course, OSAS is not true. When we go into the deep things, when we look honestly at the context and the words being used in the Bible, when we dig deep, we will see the truth if we are honest.
The parable of the 10 virgins and John 15 alone are a big sign it doesn't hold. I have never met someone from OSAS who have a good answer to these. They have to ignore them or twist them in a weird way.
God bless you brother. Hopefully we talk more!
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