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Imposing taxes is not akin to slavery. Every citizen who was taxed had the freedom to leave the country. Slaves do not have that option.

I have to call bull on that. Even if you leave the country and work in another country, the US still requires you to pay taxes on your income. Even if you have to pay income taxes to the country in which you work. The only way you can leave the US and not pay taxes is if you leave the US and renounce your citizenship. Even then, you are required by law to submit a final tax return and prove you do not owe back taxes from previous years and pay an exit fee of $2000+. Theyre going to bleed the slaves anyway they can.

As for it not be akin to slavery, again I call bull.

Under slavery, slaves worked and the "massa" then collected the money first, then gave you what he/she thought you needed.

Under taxation, you work and the "massa" (aka the Federal government) takes its cut first, then allows you to have what they think you need. (Or are you still under the delusion that you somehow have a say in the tax rate charged by the Feds?) In other words, who gets the first cut of your wages? You or the Feds/state? Or did you just somehow forget that that money magically disappeared from your paycheck? Even the very bank notes in your wallet are not owned by you. The actual physical bank notes are legally owned by the Federal Reserve, which isn't the Federal Govt., but a collective of banks and financial institutions. You don't even own the money in your pocket.
 
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Imposing taxes is not akin to slavery.
No - but the sub-minimum wage of workers who are at risk of being jailed or deported is very akin to slavery; but actually cheaper for the employer since they do not have to provide food, shelter, etc.

I am reminded of a job I had back in the early 1980s. I was a detail draftsman at Clark Equipment company and they decided to start pulling their manufacturing out of the US. The work at the Jackson MI plant was being re-located to Sao Paulo Brazil. Some of our managers went down and came back with disturbing stories of this huge tent city on their front lawn. THey were paying wages so low that entire families had to work to make ends meet (including children down to 10 years old) and living in a tent on company property was the only housing they could afford.
 
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No - but the sub-minimum wage of workers who are at risk of being jailed or deported is very akin to slavery; but actually cheaper for the employer since they do not have to provide food, shelter, etc
This is true, but then again it is a self-imposed condition brought on by illegal activity. This is another issue fixed by simply leaving the country.

What you describe is blackmail.

Besides, the tax issue does not apply to workers in Brazil.
 
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There it is. The freedom to leave. Slaves cannot leave.

You disproved your very own slavery comment.

Good job.

No, I just proved it. How many people do you know that have up to $10,000 to throw away by giving it to the Feds, then have enough surplus to move to another country and support themselves long enough to arrange work documents, housing, food, etc.? Only the wealthy. So, it is legally and financially prohibitive for 99% of the population to leave. And even for the wealthy, there are legal hoops you must jump through if you want to continue to do business in the US, which is why most of the wealthy do not leave. In some countries, you must exit every few months to retain your residency, which requires a passport. If you renounce your citizenship before meeting and obtaining the citizenship requirements of your "host country", once you leave, you will not be allowed to return without an active passport. The shortest time I know of to obtain citizenship in a foreign nation is 3-5 years and only if you are married to a citizen of that nation. Again, prohibitive for virtually everyone, including the wealthy.

It was the US which pushed for those laws both here and internationally. Again, slavery. Which is why the Federal Government acts as if they own you. Slavery.

Actually, I just proved extortion and slavery on the part of the Federal Government.
 
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I just got my copy of Oxford Today, and for better or for worse, they've decided to let Cecil stay where he is.
I reckon that was the right call. He wasn't a pleasant man, especially when viewed through a modern prism, but history is history.
 
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No, I just proved it. How many people do you know that have up to $10,000 to throw away by giving it to the Feds, then have enough surplus to move to another country and support themselves long enough to arrange work documents, housing, food, etc.? Only the wealthy. So, it is legally and financially prohibitive for 99% of the population to leave. And even for the wealthy, there are legal hoops you must jump through if you want to continue to do business in the US, which is why most of the wealthy do not leave. In some countries, you must exit every few months to retain your residency, which requires a passport. If you renounce your citizenship before meeting and obtaining the citizenship requirements of your "host country", once you leave, you will not be allowed to return without an active passport. The shortest time I know of to obtain citizenship in a foreign nation is 3-5 years and only if you are married to a citizen of that nation. Again, prohibitive for virtually everyone, including the wealthy.

It was the US which pushed for those laws both here and internationally. Again, slavery. Which is why the Federal Government acts as if they own you. Slavery.

Your argument is without merit because one who does not work is not required to pay payroll tax.

It sounds to me you simply don't agree with paying for infrastructure, government salaries or military. Somehow you think people do work for free? Now it seems we are moving into freeloader area....
 
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Freedom comes at a cost.

Besides your argument is without merit because one who does not work is not required to pay income tax.

It sounds to me you simply don't agree with paying for infrastructure, government salaries or military. Somehow you think people do work for free? Now it seems we are moving into freeloader area....

Taxes are taxes. If you work you pay income taxes. If you don't work, you pay taxes in other forms, such as sales tax, luxury tax, fees, etc. All are taxes, brah.

Its funny that the Federal Govt functioned for more than 100 years without a permanent Federal income tax, and we were still able to afford infrastructure, govt. salaries, and military. What couldn't be afforded was a welfare state, which is just another level of slavery because you are indentured to the state.
 
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Taxes are taxes. If you work you pay income taxes. If you don't work, you pay taxes in other forms, such as sales tax, luxury tax, fees, etc. All are taxes, brah.

Its funny that the Federal Govt functioned for more than 100 years without a permanent Federal income tax, and we were still able to afford infrastructure, govt. salaries, and military. What couldn't be afforded was a welfare state, which is just another level of slavery because you are indentured to the state.


Your point is moot considering America has levied taxes from the start. Collecting taxes did not start in 1916.
 
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Your point is moot considering America has levied taxes from the start. Collecting taxes did not start in 1916.

Except in times of war (such as the Civil War), the US did not have an income tax. The bulk of revenue collected by the Federal Government came from tariffs, duties, and property taxes. Those are called "indirect taxes". They had to ratify the 16th Amendment in order to permanently collect taxes on income. Those are called "direct" or "head" taxes. The Founders didn't want to institute a "head" tax because they understood it was highly susceptible to abuse by the govt.

Just like the Social Security tax, income taxes were meant to be temporary. (Thus the 1913 Revenue Act). But, taxes are like drugs and the Federal Government is a stone cold tax addict. They just cant get the same "high", which is why our national debt is nearing $20 trillion. Every few years, Congress must pass an extension of Social Security or it will expire and all those seniors and disabled people will be left high and dry...and broke.

All this was part of my studies when I received my business and accounting degree.
 
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Except in times of war (such as the Civil War), the US did not have an income tax. The bulk of revenue collected by the Federal Government came from tariffs, duties, and property taxes. Those are called "indirect taxes". They had to ratify the 16th Amendment in order to permanently collect taxes on income. Those are called "direct" or "head" taxes. The Founders didn't want to institute a "head" tax because they understood it was highly susceptible to abuse by the govt.

Just like the Social Security tax, income taxes were meant to be temporary. (Thus the 1913 Revenue Act). But, taxes are like drugs and the Federal Government is a stone cold tax addict. They just cant get the same "high", which is why our national debt is nearing $20 trillion. Every few years, Congress must pass an extension of Social Security or it will expire and all those seniors and disabled people will be left high and dry...and broke.

All this was part of my studies when I received my business and accounting degree.
Thanks for demonstrating your true intention to call the US government bad for collecting taxes to pay for things. The slavery comment was just a ruse.

If you are in such disgust with paying taxes, you are welcome to leave, or quit your job and become a beggar. You have choices. Good luck.
 
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I reckon that was the right call. He wasn't a pleasant man, especially when viewed through a modern prism, but history is history.
That's basically what the article said.
 
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Yes, but chickens/eggs. How did restaurants come to the conclusion that they could get away it? I mean, restaurants in other countries haven't reached that conclusion, so what's the crucial difference there?

In America, it is cultural. Being a waitress was the only job women could get back in the old days. It was realized that single mothers could not support their kids with their salary alone and thus, as a culture it became the norm to tip waitresses. This then evolved to tipping all waiters and waitresses and it became a cultural institution.

What is interesting is that this holdover only applies to "restaurants" and not "fast food" places.
 
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Thanks for demonstrating your true intention to call the US government bad for collecting taxes to pay for things. The slavery comment was just a ruse.

If you are in such disgust with paying taxes, you are welcome to leave, or quit your job and become a beggar. You have choices. Good luck.

He is right to be disgusted with paying taxes. If you look at history and the ever increasing national debt, the government has become "addicted" to our taxes. In fact, the primary focus of law enforcement activities is not protecting and serving the public, no, the primary focus is on REVENUE GENERATION FOR THE STATE.

Paying taxes to the government means less money for ourselves and for our families. I would guesstimate that government inefficiencies burn at least 30% of the money they receive. And why not? They have no incentive to be efficient. As far as government is concerned, they have a limitless credit card so why should they care about being efficient and responsible with the money they receive?

There is a direct correlation between government inefficiency and government revenue. Once you essentially hand the government a blank check, they have no incentive to be efficient. The inefficiency can be measured as a direct decrease in our freedoms, liberties, and quality of life.
 
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He is right to be disgusted with paying taxes. If you look at history and the ever increasing national debt, the government has become "addicted" to our taxes. In fact, the primary focus of law enforcement activities is not protecting and serving the public, no, the primary focus is on REVENUE GENERATION FOR THE STATE.

Paying taxes to the government means less money for ourselves and for our families. I would guesstimate that government inefficiencies burn at least 30% of the money they receive. And why not? They have no incentive to be efficient. As far as government is concerned, they have a limitless credit card so why should they care about being efficient and responsible with the money they receive?

There is a direct correlation between government inefficiency and government revenue. Once you essentially hand the government a blank check, they have no incentive to be efficient. The inefficiency can be measured as a direct decrease in our freedoms, liberties, and quality of life.
Sure, you can argue all those things....but his argument was that Americans are literally slaves because of taxes. That is what I disagreed with.
 
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In America, it is cultural. Being a waitress was the only job women could get back in the old days. It was realized that single mothers could not support their kids with their salary alone and thus, as a culture it became the norm to tip waitresses. This then evolved to tipping all waiters and waitresses and it became a cultural institution.

What is interesting is that this holdover only applies to "restaurants" and not "fast food" places.

Google "adam ruins everything, tipping" I would have linked the video here but it contains course language briefly.
 
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Google "adam ruins everything, tipping" I would have linked the video here but it contains course language briefly.
I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's messed up. That ain't my fault. It would appear to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government hurts on a regular basis. If you show me a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And this non-college attitude you're giving me, I got two words for that: learn to type, because if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big surprise.
 
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I don't want to make excuses for this guy, who acted like a jerk. But it's worth remembering the recent history of where he grew up.

It makes no sense to blame a waitress though.
You don't want to make excuses for the guy but we should remember the recent history?

Uh..huh.
 
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That is in England. Return "the land" to whom exactly? The Pre-Roman Celts?


The incident happened in South Africa. The land he was talking about is south Africa but he wrongly blames a white south African waitress for all of that.
 
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