Activist doesn't tip white waitress, boasts of his achievement.

[Locutus]

I'd like to see the menu prices for places that pay wait staff $25.00 an hour minimum.
Tips are gratuities for good service. I always tip good service.

That's the senior rate (over 21). Junior starts at about $18, from memory. Average for a junior is $20, though. Roughly equivalent to US dollars, incidentally.

Menu prices vary from super cheap to the sky's the limit. The super cheap places have queues lined up around the block, so they make plenty of money. But for specifics, a place I go to regularly for lunch with friends charges about $8 for a big bowl of organic home made soup with organic sourdough bread, and pot of Earl Grey tea with milk. There are always queues at this place. If you don't get there by 11.30am, you have no hope of getting a table - and that's on a week day. For evening meals, a Vietnamese place we favour gives us 4 courses with (free) Chinese tea, and all five of us leave full. Usually costs $60.

I'm not sure if that's more or less than you pay at your $2 per hour joints, but it seems reasonable to me. Of course, I can also name places which will feed me well for $200 (per head), but I don't go to them often. Unless someone else is paying

 

[rambot]

Preying on the weak. Too many examples of people using tipping as a time to be sanctimonious. that's another reason to get rid of tipping. Happily it was his own community that saw the inherent racism and mistreatment and chastized him.

 

[PsychoeDial]

Preying on the weak? That's not at all relevant to the issue of tipping wait staff. It's a gratuity. Gratitude for their serving you your food, your drink, your re-fill, being at beck and call while you sit at leisure and consume good food and spend time with good friends while not having to get up and serve yourself.

Ingratitude is not a virtue.

 

[rambot]

Preying on the weak? That's not at all relevant to the issue of tipping wait staff. It's a gratuity. Gratitude for their serving you your food, your drink, your re-fill, being at beck and call while you sit at leisure and consume good food and spend time with good friends while not having to get up and serve yourself.

Ingratitude is not a virtue.

What are you going on about? I was referring to the note he left. I don't care how much he tipped her!?!

 

[PsychoeDial]

What are you going on about? I was referring to the note he left. I don't care how much he tipped her!?!

Then your remarks were poorly worded to that effect.

 

[TerranceL]

No. That was the same thing I got from your remarks. Otherwise why would you reply sarcastically about your shock over a black activist being racist unless that was an expected thing?

Because there have been plenty of stories recently about young black activist being racist? There the call for racial regrated dorms in colleges, a founder of a blm chapter tweeting that she prays to go she doesn't kill any white people today... it's a pattern of behavior.

That's why I wasn't surprised by this.

It's you who have read into it something that's not there.

 

[TerranceL]

Then your remarks were poorly worded to that effect.

Must be you, it was pretty clear to me what he was talking about.

 

[MehGuy]

Because there have been plenty of stories recently about young black activist being racist? There the call for racial regrated dorms in colleges, a founder of a blm chapter tweeting that she prays to go she doesn't kill any white people today... it's a pattern of behavior.

That's why I wasn't surprised by this.

It's you who have read into it something that's not there.

Looks like BLM and Stormfronters might agree on something. Lol. Who knew extreme liberalism would be the way.. lol.

 

[Belk]

Because there have been plenty of stories recently about young black activist being racist? There the call for racial regrated dorms in colleges, a founder of a blm chapter tweeting that she prays to go she doesn't kill any white people today... it's a pattern of behavior.

That's why I wasn't surprised by this.

It's you who have read into it something that's not there.

OK. Now I am even more confused. It is a pattern of behavior that you are not surprised to see but you were in no way implying that it is typical of black activists? I think I must be missing something. I'll sleep on it and see if I can see it in the morning.

 

[TerranceL]

OK. Now I am even more confused. It is a pattern of behavior that you are not surprised to see but you were in no way implying that it is typical of black activists? I think I must be missing something. I'll sleep on it and see if I can see it in the morning.

Perhaps you need to understand that "pattern of behavior" doesn't mean "all".

 

[Nithavela]

Wait staff makes $2.00 per hour as the federal minimum wage if they make tips. The theory is that they make tips to make up the difference. It's a terrible system in my opinion, so that's why I'm so generous with tips even if the service wasn't top notch but they were at least trying.

It's a bad gig.

I think that they have to write down the tips they get, and if they get tipped less than the real minimum wage, the restaurant owner has to make up the difference.

Of course, poor Jose can't exactly go to court over this if there is any dispute.

 

[Chris B]

What a jerk.

And him a Rhodes scholar, too.
Being a jerk while biting the (dead) hand that feeds him.

 

[dgiharris]

But why don't the business owners pay the full amount, like all other businesses? Why are restaurants exempt?

Simple, greed.

Most businesses are fundamentally greedy and will do anything to save money. Take Walmart for instance. Walmart has horrific business practices for their employees. They purposefully schedule and employ in such a way as to deny full-time status to as many of their workers as possible. Similarly, Walmart actually uses food stamps and government assistance as a business strategy. They have actual workshops and meetings for their employees on "how to apply for food stamps and government assistance"

Sure, not all businesses are cut throat like this, but a fair amount of them are. This is why minimum wage laws exist. "some" businesses abuse their employees and employ strategies that seek to skimp and save as much money as possible. If they can transfer the onus onto customers to pay their employees then they will.

 

[Belk]

Perhaps you need to understand that "pattern of behavior" doesn't mean "all".

True, but then again neither does "typical".

 

[trunks2k]

I think that they have to write down the tips they get,

They are supposed to keep a record of them for, at the very least, income tax purposes. Tips are income that needs to reported on your tax return. Easy enough to do with credit cards, which will keep an electronic record and pay out tips when a paycheck is issued. Harder to do for cash, which can be an advantage at tax time.

and if they get tipped less than the real minimum wage, the restaurant owner has to make up the difference.

Slight correction: The restaurant owner is SUPPOSED to make up the difference. A lot of servers, especially young ones, don't know this and for a lot of servers who do know this - it's not worth the effort/risk to try and get the owner to do so.

 

[Nithavela]

They are supposed to keep a record of them for, at the very least, income tax purposes. Tips are income that needs to reported on your tax return. Easy enough to do with credit cards, which will keep an electronic record and pay out tips when a paycheck is issued. Harder to do for cash, which can be an advantage at tax time.


Slight correction: The restaurant owner is SUPPOSED to make up the difference. A lot of servers, especially young ones, don't know this and for a lot of servers who do know this - it's not worth the effort/risk to try and get the owner to do so.

And they say the USA has abolished slavery.

 

[TheBear]

Not in America

That wasn't the question.

Question was - Where DO you live, where the hourly pay for a waitress is $25 an hour?

Follow-up question: What is the after tax take-home pay? (what percentage does the government take?)

 

[SnowyMacie]

I don't tip wait staff, but I live in a place where they earn $25 an hour minimum - $20 if juniors.

$2 and hour can't possibly be true, in a first world nation. Please tell me you're joking.

Not a joke, though legally if you don't make minimum wage on tips, they have to pay you at minimum wage. My hourly wage is $2.15, but after tips and that I'm usually around $18/hr. On one hand, that's more than the restaurant would probably be willing to pay me hourly, but on the other hand, the principle of it is nothing short of terrible.

I think that they have to write down the tips they get, and if they get tipped less than the real minimum wage, the restaurant owner has to make up the difference.

That is correct. We have to declare how much tips we make so they know how much taxes and stuff to take out, my "paycheck" every two weeks is basically next to nothing.

Slight correction: The restaurant owner is SUPPOSED to make up the difference. A lot of servers, especially young ones, don't know this and for a lot of servers who do know this - it's not worth the effort/risk to try and get the owner to do so.

I've only ever worked for larger companies where our declared tips went to corporate payroll where this was never an issue. Only one one paycheck, my first, did I have a little added because I didn't make minimum wage off of tips. I will say that if you aren't consistently making minimum wage as a server, you aren't very good at your job.

 

[whatbogsends]

Wait staff makes $2.00 per hour as the federal minimum wage if they make tips. The theory is that they make tips to make up the difference. It's a terrible system in my opinion, so that's why I'm so generous with tips even if the service wasn't top notch but they were at least trying.

It's a bad gig.

I thought it was like $2.13, although $2 is a close-enough approximation.

 

[MehGuy]

I feel so bad for waiters. There is no way I'd be a good one. Especially if I had to smile and pretend to be happy to them. Lol.

Regardless, I'm sure there's an app out there for restaurant staff to keep track of rude customers who refuse to tip. Spitty spitty, lol.