Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Bobber]

The only reason I post on the subject is to dissuade the doubters from going down the FE rabbit hole.

Strange that something as huge as the Earth anyone can have any doubts as to it being spherical. Maybe like the saying there's an elephant in the room but they still can't see it.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

You’re not this stupid, you’re just pretending to be which is actually worse because you have no excuse.

I am pretty stupid, I accepted and offer from the Navy to receive a commission as a Supply Corps Officer after I had retired because the younger generation doesn't want to serve and I had basic math skills, all my fingers and toes, and passed the Navy PT test. There scraping the bottom of the barrel and I was there to answer the call.

 

[d taylor]

Is there anything wrong with the additions that I made to the flat earth map?

To make any meaningful progress in understanding how the physical world behaves, you have to make use of other people's observations. There is a limit to what one person can do. Even flat earth proponents make use of observations by other flat earth people.

It is difficult for one person to see the sun and moon from different places at the same time.

I checked with someone who lives in Sao Paulo (I edited my post for clarity).

However, I have seen sunrise and sunset numerous times and in many different places. And in every place, the sun rises from below the horizon climbing up in the sky, to its highest point about the middle of the day, then lower, and setting below the horizon. I have personally observed this in several different continents.

But how is it possible for the sun to appear to be near the horizon (i.e. close to the surface) while for someone else, it is directly overhead? it is possible on a globe, but not a flat earth.

There are some things that you can do on your own the demonstrate that the earth is a globe, not flat. These have been listed numerous times. The most common is that you can see further from a higher point than a lower point (provided your view is not obstructed). Ships go out of sight, with their lower decks going out of sight first and the mast last. An island out at sea or further along the cost, that is not visible at sea level but can be seen from a higher point (this has the advantage over a ship: it is not moving, so is not getting smaller. So, not being able to see the island is not because it has become too small). Sunrise, sunset.

So what is the difference on a globe, if west is the direction you illustrated in your post

The photo i took of the moon is impossible to take on a globe

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[BNR32FAN]

So what is the difference on a globe, if west is the direction you illustrated in your post

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The photo i took of the moon is impossible to take on a globe

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This is the position of the moon on Dec 30 9:15am according to timeanddate.com.

The moon was at 14.45 degrees North latitude which means it wasn’t North of Mississippi. Biloxi Mississippi which is at the southern tip of Mississippi is 30 degrees N latitude. So apparently you weren’t facing northwest you were facing southwest.

 

[prodromos]

So what is the difference on a globe, if west is the direction you illustrated in your post

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The photo i took of the moon is impossible to take on a globe

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If the moon was sitting on or near the surface of the globe, then sure, however the distance to the moon is roughly sixty times the radius of the earth which changes your viewing angle significantly.

 

[d taylor]

This is the position of the moon on Dec 30 9:15am according to timeanddate.com.

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The moon was at 14.45 degrees North latitude which means it wasn’t North of Mississippi. Biloxi Mississippi which is at the southern tip of Mississippi is 30 degrees N latitude. So apparently you weren’t facing northwest you were facing southwest.

I never said the moon was north of Mississippi. I stated when i took my photo, to take the photo i had to point my camera toward Pine Bluff Ark, which is north/west in direction. That follows the straight path to the upward north west corner of The country.

 

[HantsUK]

So what is the difference on a globe, if west is the direction you illustrated in your post

The assumption I made was that a flat earth compass is the same as a compass I have. The 'north' pointer points north. Let's call this 12 o'clock. East will then be at 3 o'clock. South at 6 o'clock. West at 9 o'clock. (Or stand facing North. Your right arm will point East and your left arm will point West).

Is this correct?

I did define my understanding of North, South, East and West, and no one has yet disagreed.

Assuming that I am correct in what East and West mean, then drawing lines due East and West will cover different ground on a flat earth than on a globe. The line that I added to show West from Madacsare on the flat earth and which you copied onto the globe does not point West on a globe. This shows yet another difference between a flat earth and a globe earth.

I han't noticed this before. Thanks for pointing it out.

There are many differences between a flat eart and a globe earth, besides one being flat and the other being a sphere.

It is these differences that show that we (OK, some of us) I live on a (large) globe, not a flat earth.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

The assumption I made was that a flat earth compass is the same as a compass I have. The 'north' pointer points north. Let's call this 12 o'clock. East will then be at 3 o'clock. South at 6 o'clock. West at 9 o'clock. (Or stand facing North. Your right arm will point East and your left arm will point West).

Is this correct?

I did define my understanding of North, South, East and West, and no one has yet disagreed.

Assuming that I am correct in what East and West mean, then drawing lines due East and West will cover different ground on a flat earth than on a globe. The line that I added to show West from Madacsare on the flat earth and which you copied onto the globe does not point West on a globe. This shows yet another difference between a flat earth and a globe earth.

I han't noticed this before. Thanks for pointing it out.

There are many differences between a flat eart and a globe earth, besides one being flat and the other being a sphere.

It is these differences that show that we (OK, some of us) I live on a (large) globe, not a flat earth.

Does not prove a flat earth.

 

[d taylor]

If the moon was sitting on or near the surface of the globe, then sure, however the distance to the moon is roughly sixty times the radius of the earth which changes your viewing angle significantly.

To determine what you believe will happen with a moon 200,000+ miles away. Can only be determined by making a scale model and then positioning the moon in its sublunar point at that location 200,000 miles away from the earth model. Then with a straight line stretched from the photos location and direction it was taken, see if the moon would fall into the photos view.

 

[Bradskii]

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I've flow to L.A. directly from Sydney. And I've also flown directly to Santiago. The Santiago trip took about 12h 30m. The L.A. one took a little longer at around 13h even though it's about half the distance on your map. Let me know what your explanation for that is.

And I've driven to the northern parts of the Australia. And to Perth. The distance from Sydney to Cairns is about the same as the distance to Perth. I think your map is wrong. Unless you have another explanation?

There is nothing to be frightened about in accepting that the world is round. The only thing to fear is sphere itself...

 

[prodromos]

To determine what you believe will happen with a moon 200,000+ miles away. Can only be determined by making a scale model and then positioning the moon in its sublunar point at that location 200,000 miles away from the earth model. Then with a straight line stretched from the photos location and direction it was taken, see if the moon would fall into the photos view.

I've already shown that your model doesn't work for the location I am currently at in New Zealand. As for the above, I'm pretty certain there are a number of computer models accessible on the internet that basically do what you have stated.

 

[Jipsah]

To determine what you believe will happen with a moon 200,000+ miles away. Can only be determined by making a scale model and then positioning the moon in its sublunar point at that location 200,000 miles away from the earth model.

Or better yet, just observing the moon.

 

[Jipsah]

The only thing to fear is sphere itself...

That did it. You're sacked.

 

[d taylor]

Or better yet, just observing the moon.

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Actually my photo of the moon, proves two points. The flat earth map is correct (or close enough) and that the moon is located miles above the earth and not in a made up outer space 200,000+ miles away from earth.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Strange that something as huge as the Earth anyone can have any doubts as to it being spherical. Maybe like the saying there's an elephant in the room but they still can't see it.

That's the problem. They can only see what they are standing on. Sure, it's flat for all intents and purposes. Except when you are forecasting weather, traveling internationally, going into space or mapping the earth's surface. Perhaps MH370 was taken over by an FE pilot. That would explain why he went nowhere near the aircraft's intended destination.

 

[prodromos]

Actually my photo of the moon, proves two points.

Ok?

The flat earth map is correct (or close enough)

It doesn't. It simply shows that the flat earth model and the globe earth model can have some overlap. When I tried to repeat your observation from the Southern Hemisphere, there was no correlation at all, so that proves the flat earth map is not correct. You don't seem willing to acknowledge that.

and that the moon is located miles above the earth and not in a made up outer space 200,000+ miles away from earth.

Again, it doesn't show that at all. You haven't given anything that can indicate the distance to the moon. I've suggested that you and @JacksBratt could organise to each measure the angle to the moon relative the the line between each of your locations at the same time and use simple trigonometry to measure the distance. It isn't difficult and you could shut us all up, but I suspect you already know that you won't get the result you expect, which is why no flat earther has ever attempted it.

 

[d taylor]

Ok?

It doesn't. It simply shows that the flat earth model and the globe earth model can have some overlap. When I tried to repeat your observation from the Southern Hemisphere, there was no correlation at all, so that proves the flat earth map is not correct. You don't seem willing to acknowledge that.

Again, it doesn't show that at all. You haven't given anything that can indicate the distance to the moon. I've suggested that you and @JacksBratt could organise to each measure the angle to the moon relative the the line between each of your locations at the same time and use simple trigonometry to measure the distance. It isn't difficult and you could shut us all up, but I suspect you already know that you won't get the result you expect, which is why no flat earther has ever attempted it.

I do not need too, the moon being in the raqia (dome), as placed by God. Has been obvious and not 200,000+ miles away in a made up outer space. Since i became aware of God's creation description in Genesis.

It is people like you who have your nose stuck in the science books who can not see the obvious.

 

[Bradskii]

I do not need too, the moon being in the raqia (dome), as placed by God. Has been obvious and not 200,000+ miles away in a made up outer space, since i became aware of God's creation description in Genesis.

It is people like you who have your nose stuck in the science books who can not see the obvious.

Any thoughts on why it takes longer to fly to LA than Santiago from Sydney?

 

[d taylor]

Any thoughts on why it takes longer to fly to LA than Santiago from Sydney?

Any thoughts on why it takes longer to fly to LA than Santiago from Sydney?

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No

 

[BNR32FAN]

I never said the moon was north of Mississippi. I stated when i took my photo, to take the photo i had to point my camera toward Pine Bluff Ark, which is north/west in direction. That follows the straight path to the upward north west corner of The country.

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If you were looking northwest from Mississippi then you’re saying that the moon was at a more northern latitude than Mississippi. It was actually at a more southern latitude than Mississippi.