Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[d taylor]

That's Interesting.

Here's the one that you and all other Flerfies pointedly ignore. Long Path RF Propagation. Here's a concise explanation of what that means. What is "Long Path" in Ham Radio?

The long and short (see what I did there?) is talking via voice, Morse code, data, of whatever on the HF (High Frequency) bands, frequencies from 3.5 mHz (80 meters) to 29.7 mHz (10 meters).

Normally, if you're using a directional "beam" antenna, you point it directly toward that station you want to, which is "short path". So let's say I want to talk to someone in England from here, I'll rotate the antenna to face roughly east-northeast, just like I'd go if I were flying an airplane. Then I can "chew the rag" with a mate in the UK.

But sometimes that doesn't work, due to natural or man-made interference, or poor propagation, as during a sunspot minimum, or just whatever. So then, a possible option is "long path". That means turning the antenna 180 degrees, so that it's pointing away from my pal in Blighty. Going all the way around the world "the wrong way". And it often works. You're still at the mercy of the state of the "solar weather" and the myriad other factors that effect long distance HF communications, but it when it works it works quite nicely.

First time I ever used it I was talking to, or trying to talk to, an Old Man (all male hams are addressed as "old man") in Queensland. It wasn't working out well; we were being beaten up by bleedover from adjacent frequencies and sundry other sources of RFI. My Aussie pal went to CW (continous wave via using Morse Code, far more efficient than voice) and suggested that we go long path. We both turned our antennas (antennae?) "backwards", and lo and behold, clear air and good propagation, and continued our conversation via voice.

The point here is this - there isn't any long path on a flat earth. If your beam is pointed at Oz, turning it away from there can't possibly do you any good. Your signal is just going to rebound off your dome or something, and if it bounces back again, it'll get strangled by the same QRM that forced you to go long path in the first place, plus additional losses based on vastly increased distances.

The bottom line is that it can't work on your flat earth.

But in the Real World that God created, it does.

I don't really expect a response to this, as I've never gotten one before from any flat earther. They'd rather talk pseudo-technical argle-bargle that can be redefined to mean whatever they need. Radio doesn't really lend itself to that kind of rubber "science". We radio geeks know the ionosphere is there, because we depend on it for HF communications. We know the sun keeps that ionosphere charged up in a regular 11 year cycle based on the number of sunspots occuring on the sun. We know that there are solar storms ssometimes strong enough to silence RF communications, or even burn out electronic equipment.

Y'all know this stuff as well, but you can't admit it. You just chant "the Bible sez..." even though it doesn't, and then deny stuff that the average person actually knows is true about God's Design because it's easily observable, and they don't have a nonsensical doctrine to defend.

Like i state in my post, my photo of the moon from the location to took my photo, proves the map i posted is correct.

As for your radio example, i do not use radios, so i will not address your statements. So whatever your assuming is happening, you can go and discuss this with a person who shares your hobby and who may also be a flat earther.

 

[prodromos]

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When i took my photo of the moon, from the position i did, It proved the map i posted is correct.

Can you repeat the results at different times of the day? Can you coordinate with people in other locations (preferably other continents) at the same time you take your observations. If you can do that then you might have something.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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When i took my photo of the moon, from the position i did, It proved the map i posted is correct.

Except 12 hours later the sun wasn’t at that same position that the moon was at, was it? The sun had already set on the horizon at 7:06pm in Jackson Mississippi on Dec 30 2023. Or was it still daytime at 9:15pm where you were at?

 

[d taylor]

Can you repeat the results at different times of the day? Can you coordinate with people in other locations (preferably other continents) at the same time you take your observations. If you can do that then you might have something.

That may be something to look into, would just have to compile a list of participants, but that would be the difficult part for me. Also the weather would play a factor, in that the moon would need to be free from cloud cover, from several locations.

 

[Aussie Pete]

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When i took my photo of the moon, from the position i did, It proved the map i posted is correct.

It proves nothing. I live in the Southern Hemisphere, which according to the FE map does not exist. Show me again when FE people have traveled the world accurately outlining the coastlines of countries. The FE map is ludicrous. It's just a flattened out globe. How do you think the globe was mapped? It was by people who knew that the earth was a globe.

 

[HantsUK]

Like i state in my post, my photo of the moon from the location to took my photo, proves the map i posted is correct.

Thanks for this map.

This just demonstrates that the 'flat earth' map works for one specific case. This is analogous to filling in one word in a crossword and saying 'finished!'.

So I have added to the map the sun, which for this time and date (30/12/2023, 13:14GMT/UTC), is approximately directly above Sao Paulo. I have been able to confirm ** that it is indeed directly overhead this time of year (slightly north of Sao Paulo city). It rises from due East and sets due West (inland beyond the hills).

Thus, this map also agrees with the position of the sun.

So far, 2 out of 2.

Before continuing, I want to confirm that my understanding of North, South, East and West on a flat earth is correct.

Facing North means facing the North Pole, which is in the middle.
When facing North, sticking your right arm out (at 90 degress to the north), your arm will be point due east. Likewise, your left arm when held out, will be pointing due west. Like on a globe, east and west are directions.

Now lets show sunset on this map. Following the same latitude eastwards 90 degrees gets to Madagascar. So, when the sun is directly overhead above Sao Paulo, it will be setting, as seen from Madagascar. And it will be setting below the horizon due west. (At this time of year, daylight is longer than 12 hours, so sunset will be further east than 90 degrees).

I've added a red line with an arrow showing the direction of due west from Madagascar. As you would expect, this red arrow is pointing directly towards the sun. (It's not? Look more closely.) But there is also another difficulty. From Madagascar the sun is setting below the horizon, but it is also vertically above Sao Paulo.

Neither direction nor altitude on the flat earth agree with what is actually seen at sunset.

(edit) ** checked with someone from Sao Paulo

(If anyone wants to add more accurate figures, feel free).

 

[d taylor]

Thanks for this map.

This just demonstrates that the 'flat earth' map works for one specific case. This is analogous to filling in one word in a crossword and saying 'finished!'.

So I have added to the map the sun, which for this time and date (30/12/2023, 13:14GMT/UTC), is approximately directly above Sao Paulo. I have been able to confirm that it is indeed directly overhead this time of year (slightly north of Sao Paulo city). It rises from due East and sets due West (inland beyond the hills).

Thus, this map also agrees with the position of the sun.

So far, 2 out of 2.

Before continuing, I want to confirm that my understanding of North, South, East and West on a flat earth is correct.

Facing North means facing the North Pole, which is in the middle.
When facing North, sticking your right arm out (at 90 degress to the north), your arm will be point due east. Likewise, your left arm when held out, will be pointing due west. Like on a globe, east and west are directions.

Now lets show sunset on this map. Following the same latitude eastwards 90 degrees gets to Madagascar. So, when the sun is directly overhead above Sao Paulo, it will be setting, as seen from Madagascar. And it will be setting below the horizon due west. (At this time of year, daylight is longer than 12 hours, so sunset will be further east than 90 degrees).

I've added a red line with an arrow showing the direction of due west from Madagascar. As you would expect, this red arrow is pointing directly towards the sun. (It's not? Look more closely.) But there is also another difficulty. From Madagascar the sun is setting below the horizon, but it is also vertically above Sao Paulo.

Neither direction nor altitude on the flat earth agree with what is actually seen at sunset.

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(If anyone wants to add more accurate figures, feel free).

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So this is something you personally observed on December 30th 2023. at 9:15 (central time zone in America)

 

[prodromos]

I'm currently in Queenstown, New Zealand watching the moon rise, just East of South-East. According to what @d taylor posted earlier, the moon should be just off the West coast of South America, so I should be looking a little East of North on the flat pancake map. There is no correlation whatsoever, so sorry @d taylor.
Also, why is Antarctica in 24hr sunlight on the Day and Night world map? Why would you use a resource which discredits your world view?

Sorry about the quality of the moon photo. Best I can do with my phone. It is a thin crescent moon in reality.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

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I'm currently in Queenstown, New Zealand watching the moon rise, just East of South-East. According to what @d taylor posted earlier, the moon should be just off the West coast of South America, so I should be looking a little East of North on the flat pancake map. There is no correlation whatsoever, so sorry @d taylor.
Also, why is Antarctica in 24hr sunlight on the Day and Night world map? Why would you use a resource which discredits your world view?
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Sorry about the quality of the moon photo. Best I can do with my phone. It is a thin crescent moon in reality.

HA! clearly a fake picture. it says it was created on the 8th of January and it is still the 7th! Flat Earth Forever!

 

[Jipsah]

Like i state in my post, my photo of the moon from the location to took my photo, proves the map i posted is correct.

<rofl> Not even close.

As for your radio example, i do not use radios

Except the kind that provide video, I suppose.

, so i will not address your statements.

Now there's a surprise!

So whatever your assuming is happening, you can go and discuss this with a person who shares your hobby and who may also be a flat earther.

AFAIK there isn't any such creature. A hobby that depends on the understanding and use of things that Flerfies maintain don't exist is pretty unlikely, don't you think? We regularly do what y'all consider impossible.

Flat Earth is a religous doctrine, an extermely silly one. It's not supported by logic, empirical evidence, or holy writ.

 

[HantsUK]

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So this is something you personally observed on December 30th 2023. at 9:15 (central time zone in America)

Is there anything wrong with the additions that I made to the flat earth map?

To make any meaningful progress in understanding how the physical world behaves, you have to make use of other people's observations. There is a limit to what one person can do. Even flat earth proponents make use of observations by other flat earth people.

It is difficult for one person to see the sun and moon from different places at the same time.

I checked with someone who lives in Sao Paulo (I edited my post for clarity).

However, I have seen sunrise and sunset numerous times and in many different places. And in every place, the sun rises from below the horizon climbing up in the sky, to its highest point about the middle of the day, then lower, and setting below the horizon. I have personally observed this in several different continents.

But how is it possible for the sun to appear to be near the horizon (i.e. close to the surface) while for someone else, it is directly overhead? it is possible on a globe, but not a flat earth.

There are some things that you can do on your own the demonstrate that the earth is a globe, not flat. These have been listed numerous times. The most common is that you can see further from a higher point than a lower point (provided your view is not obstructed). Ships go out of sight, with their lower decks going out of sight first and the mast last. An island out at sea or further along the cost, that is not visible at sea level but can be seen from a higher point (this has the advantage over a ship: it is not moving, so is not getting smaller. So, not being able to see the island is not because it has become too small). Sunrise, sunset.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thanks for this map.

This just demonstrates that the 'flat earth' map works for one specific case. This is analogous to filling in one word in a crossword and saying 'finished!'.

So I have added to the map the sun, which for this time and date (30/12/2023, 13:14GMT/UTC), is approximately directly above Sao Paulo. I have been able to confirm ** that it is indeed directly overhead this time of year (slightly north of Sao Paulo city). It rises from due East and sets due West (inland beyond the hills).

Thus, this map also agrees with the position of the sun.

So far, 2 out of 2.

Before continuing, I want to confirm that my understanding of North, South, East and West on a flat earth is correct.

Facing North means facing the North Pole, which is in the middle.
When facing North, sticking your right arm out (at 90 degress to the north), your arm will be point due east. Likewise, your left arm when held out, will be pointing due west. Like on a globe, east and west are directions.

Now lets show sunset on this map. Following the same latitude eastwards 90 degrees gets to Madagascar. So, when the sun is directly overhead above Sao Paulo, it will be setting, as seen from Madagascar. And it will be setting below the horizon due west. (At this time of year, daylight is longer than 12 hours, so sunset will be further east than 90 degrees).

I've added a red line with an arrow showing the direction of due west from Madagascar. As you would expect, this red arrow is pointing directly towards the sun. (It's not? Look more closely.) But there is also another difficulty. From Madagascar the sun is setting below the horizon, but it is also vertically above Sao Paulo.

Neither direction nor altitude on the flat earth agree with what is actually seen at sunset.

(edit) ** checked with someone from Sao Paulo

View attachment 341083

(If anyone wants to add more accurate figures, feel free).

Yes your absolutely correct sunrises, sunsets, and both solar and lunar eclipses would be impossible according to the flat earth model. Even just night time alone would be impossible according to their model.

 

[BNR32FAN]

HA! clearly a fake picture. it says it was created on the 8th of January and it is still the 7th! Flat Earth Forever!

Yeah that’s because New Zealand is 19 hours ahead of us.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Yeah that’s because New Zealand is 19 hours ahead of us.

More Globe earth lies! What's next? Are you going to tell me it's summer over there too?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Yeah that’s because New Zealand is 19 hours ahead of us.

And another thing, if you are in Texas, I am 10 hours ahead of you but still in TODAY. See? Clearly the globe model is false. There can not be two different days at the same time, it goes against all logic and reason. It is either daylight or night, but it is all the same day until the next day, the Bible clearly states that. Morning and evening equals ONE DAY not two.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

No stars in that picture, just like the fake Apollo landing. I'm surprise that Kubrick didn't catch that one, he was pretty good at attention to detail.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Is there anything wrong with the additions that I made to the flat earth map?

To make any meaningful progress in understanding how the physical world behaves, you have to make use of other people's observations. There is a limit to what one person can do. Even flat earth proponents make use of observations by other flat earth people.

It is difficult for one person to see the sun and moon from different places at the same time.

I checked with someone who lives in Sao Paulo (I edited my post for clarity).

However, I have seen sunrise and sunset numerous times and in many different places. And in every place, the sun rises from below the horizon climbing up in the sky, to its highest point about the middle of the day, then lower, and setting below the horizon. I have personally observed this in several different continents.

But how is it possible for the sun to appear to be near the horizon (i.e. close to the surface) while for someone else, it is directly overhead? it is possible on a globe, but not a flat earth.

There are some things that you can do on your own the demonstrate that the earth is a globe, not flat. These have been listed numerous times. The most common is that you can see further from a higher point than a lower point (provided your view is not obstructed). Ships go out of sight, with their lower decks going out of sight first and the mast last. An island out at sea or further along the cost, that is not visible at sea level but can be seen from a higher point (this has the advantage over a ship: it is not moving, so is not getting smaller. So, not being able to see the island is not because it has become too small). Sunrise, sunset.

Logic and reason simply do not work on Flerfers. Neither does empirical evidence. They call the born again Christians who have been to the moon liars. They call millions of people in the space industries liars also. One poor soul told me that I was going to hell because I rejected the FE myth. I don't know why these people are so obsessed, or why they are immune to the truth. The only reason I post on the subject is to dissuade the doubters from going down the FE rabbit hole.

 

[prodromos]

Yeah that’s because New Zealand is 19 hours ahead of us.

I hope you realise that our friend isn't being remotely serious.

 

[BNR32FAN]

More Globe earth lies! What's next? Are you going to tell me it's summer over there too?

You’re not this stupid, you’re just pretending to be which is actually worse because you have no excuse.

 

[Jipsah]

Yeah that’s because New Zealand is 19 hours ahead of us.

Which is why e-mails sent to New Zealand don't arrive until the next day.