Abortion Discussion

[BiblicalAstronomy]

My belief in the virgin birth of Jesus is not based on the Old Testament, but rather in the Gospels which testify that Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit before she had any sexual relations with Joseph.

This is true, and it thus supports a VIRGIN CONCEPTION, but it does not support a virgin birth because its not reasonable that Joseph would have abstained from his Biblical duties as a husband with Mary, following her Divine Conception...

 

[Root of Jesse]

It is an explicitly religious list of laws. How is reading religious material out to a class, excluding the contexts I have mentioned, not promoting it?

Answer a question with a question. Do Hindus have similar laws? Yes, they do. The Ten Commandments are universal, regardless of what religion you call yourself.

When it's the representatives of the state promoting it, it's the state doing the telling.

Baloney.

 

[Desk trauma]

People do all sorts of unnatural things to themselves.

Anti-biotics, vaccinations, eating fortified foods, drinking purified water....

...genital mutilation

Don't see how that makes it to the bad things list given the biblical command to do it.

I understand that, for you. When I have sex with my wife, God is there with me.

Atheists do it better, after all no one is watching.

 

[Root of Jesse]

This is true, and it thus supports a VIRGIN CONCEPTION, but it does not support a virgin birth because its not reasonable that Joseph would have abstained from his Biblical duties as a husband with Mary, following her Divine Conception...

You will have to prove there were other children of Mary...but this is the wrong thread to do it in.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I doubt it. Even if you don't believe in God, he's watching.

 

[Desk trauma]

Answer a question with a question.

The ten commandments are a religious text. Reading them out, giving them pride of place, teaching them to kids as true rather then as the tenant of a religion is the state over stepping its bounds.

he Ten Commandments are universal, regardless of what religion you call yourself.

Unless you happen to live in a country such as the US that not only allows but protects people who violate 1-4 even going so far as to enshrine that kind of blasphemy into its founding document.

Baloney.

How so? Does your deity pop in the class room and read out his own laws if the teachers are handed a syllabus that violates the separation of religion and government?

 

[BiblicalAstronomy]

One difference...Adam was not born from a womb.

This difference makes no difference because the breath of life takes place when Adam or a newborn child autonomously Breathes it own breath of AIR. The fetus is not breathing on its own power in the womb, and it is certainly not breathing AIR, until it is born...when it becomes a living soul, according to GEN.2:7.

 

[Desk trauma]

I doubt it. Even if you don't believe in God, he's watching.

Even if you don't believe in elves, they are watching.

Not very convincing is it?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Even if you don't believe in elves, they are watching.

Not very convincing is it?

To you, maybe.
Did you hear about the atheist who sued the government because there was no atheist holiday? Said they have Christmas and Hannukah, Ramadan, and so on...
The Judge threw out the case. He cited April 1 as his reasoning.

 

[BiblicalAstronomy]

I believe you may have missed my point. Adam was created as an adult man. The breath of life was necessary. In procreation that breath of life comes in gestation in stages.

GEN. 2:7 tells us MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL when he took his first breath. As you point out, Adam not being in the womb, his first breath was OXYGEN. This is the same standard that applies today. The fetus is not breathing AIR in the womb and it is not breathing under its own power, but parasitically off its Mother-host. When the fetus is born and takes its first breath of Air under its own power, it has became a living Soul...

 

[BiblicalAstronomy]

You will have to prove there were other children of Mary...but this is the wrong thread to do it in.

James the Brother of Jesus and there are others...

 

[Desk trauma]

Did you hear about the atheist who sued the government because there was no atheist holiday? Said they have Christmas and Hannukah, Ramadan, and so on...
The Judge threw out the case. He cited April 1 as his reasoning.

Did you hear how that was a made up e-mail and not a real court case?

 

[civilwarbuff]

I'm going with what works. If abortion is the great evil that you contend it is I would think that you are interested in things that help prevent it.



Yet in real world conditions curriculums that center on it produce worse outcomes. What is more important to you, preventing abortion or demanding people adhere to your sexual morals?



The teaching methods you favor result in higher rates of unwanted pregnancies, higher rates of STIs and more abortions. Again, what is more important people abiding by your sexual morals or people not being in situations where abortion is likely?



Others may think that way, I do not.

Actually if people used biblical morals in their sexual lives, STD's, unwanted pregnancies (rape/incest), and abortions would be almost totally non-existant as well as divorce based on adultery. What a terrible world that would be.....

 

[Root of Jesse]

Deleted.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I find that idea particularly odious. My partner and I are not in some sort of adversarial business arrangement where her body, or rather her genitalia, is a commodity that we bargain over.

Obviously you don't understand the application of the adage in the case.....

 

[Root of Jesse]

James the Brother of Jesus and there are others...

You do realize that James could be Jesus brother, but not Mary's son?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Actually if people used biblical morals in their sexual lives, STD's, unwanted pregnancies (rape/incest), and abortions would be almost totally non-existant as well as divorce based on adultery. What a terrible world that would be.....

Right on. Less consumerism.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Did you hear how that was a made up e-mail and not a real court case?

Can't take a joke, I see...

 

[Desk trauma]

Can't take a joke, I see...

I'm not fond of lies.

 

[Desk trauma]

Obviously you don't understand the application of the adage in the case.....

I see no case in which the adage does not reduce the man involved to a totally self centered individual using a woman for sex and the women being used as an object to be obtained. What am I missing?