Abomination of desolation

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So the time of Daniel’s vision is at the END and certainly NOT at or around the first century and to imply that, is just not biblical at all, but a forced rendering of it.
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J quote.

The end of what? Do you equate this 'end' with the last days? or end times? Or whatever?
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Obviously Justme doesn’t know, otherwise why the question.

Let’s ask Daniel at what time. At the time of the resurrection people. Dan 12:1.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, EVERY ONE that shall be found WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

Resurrection for EVERYONE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

Let’s check when Michael is involved and at what event and time.

1st Thessalonians 4:16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the ARCHANGEL, and with THE TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Well what do you know it’s at the SECOND COMING!! YEAH!!!

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J says I wrote:

"EVERYONE" is delivered found written in the BOOK.
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Yes, everyone whose name appears in the book of life will be raised to righteousness. Remember there is only one book of life.
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P C. YEAH!!! I’m glad that there is some agreement,,, at last

folks. I quoted the words "written in the book" and Justme wants to remind me by asking me to "remember it’s one book?" I think Justme is not reading the intent of what I am saying.

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I wrote:
Righteous raised up at the end of the tribulation also known as the "time of trouble" The resurrection of life that occurs at trumpet 7.
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J’s reply.

"Well, the time of the great tribulation, time of wrath, or time of trouble, whether it is at the end of that time I don't know and don't care."
And yes the 7th trumpet symbolizes the raising of people.
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Well folks Justme now realises that trumpet seven means resurrection and if she had any brains would agree that, that is at the second coming before the millennium!

This nonsense about not caring about the time is plain foolish.

Quote. "Well, the time of the great tribulation, time of wrath, or time of trouble, whether it is at the end of that time I don't know and don't care."


Satan will have Justme in his pocket when he seeks to change times and laws because of her poor attitude.

I study about the times, because it is important for our understanding

I am still learning and if I’m not sure I will not say anything until I am sure. I care about the time

I know that the tribulation period concerns Daniel 12: 12 and involves the two witnesses 1260 days of witnessing plus 3 ½ days until the resurrection of life and that the 7 trumpets are also in that Rev 11 period along with the 3 woes and 7 bowls of the wrath of God.

I understand that at the seventh trumpet mentioned in Rev 11 will usher in the resurrection at His second coming, which did not happen in 70AD as some mistakenly insist that, that is the time Rev 11 refers to.

Rev 10:7.But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

That did not happen in 70AD but will at the second coming in Rev 11, 1263 ½ days from when John is told to measure the Temple and the world will be waiting 1000 years plus a "little season to be destroyed.

Here we go again. Dan 12:1.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, EVERY ONE that shall be found WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

Resurrection for EVERYONE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

And as we have seen with 1st Thessalonians 4:16 we get the time which is at the second resurrection during the seventh trumpet period of the tribulation which is very close to the end of it.

1st Thessalonians 4:16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the ARCHANGEL, and with THE TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Well what do you know it’s STILL at the SECOND COMING!! YEAH!!!

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I wrote:
There is a lot more to this verse but I have to restrict it to home in on Justme’s assumptions.
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J says.
"Yes there is some more to the verse, well chapter actually, this:
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.."
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Yeah!! The first to be raised are the dead righteous and then the living together. in Daniel 12;1 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Not until that resurrection of life happens and the wicked dead stay dead for a 1000 years will the wicked only be raise. Do you want me to go through all of that which proves 1000 years between the two as I don’t mind.

Rev 20And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

First group above raised at resurrection of life.

The wicked are not so fortunate. They get left behind for the birds.

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

There is so much to look forward to.

This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

AFTER 1000 YEARS, We come to the second resurrection for the wicked.

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

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I asked .
When will this happen? Well, really! The answer is right in the verse I quoted and spelled out twice in the verses before it. Dan 12:1 and 1st Thessalonians 4:16.

It's extremely difficult to believe that some people choose not to accept that.
Daniel called them "wonders" because he didn’t have a clue as to what it all meant.
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J quote.
There are those who still don't.
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Well Folks, if you have any questions at all just ask and I will do my best, and I will use Bible and promise not to refer to J’s half baked ideas.

We are now told about the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation Which is obvious, even to a child that it is NOT at the period of Christ’s Earthly ministry as some would like to put over!
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J’s makes more claims, and as usual, without any biblical back up at all , you know trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

Quote. She says.

"I and others have pointed out countless biblical examples and biblical proof that clearly places these righteous and these ****** being dealt with at the same time. These are NOT the righteous of the biblical first resurrection of Rev 20, these are those who sleep in the dust such as Daniel."

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NO FOLKS that has not happened at all, look at all the Bible quotes Justme has used and watch how, when we read all the surrounding verses Justme’s theories literally crumble. If she uses Rev 20 verses 12 to 15 to try and say that those verses are a resurrection then she forgets verses 5, 8, 9, and 11 of Rev 20 which leaves no earth therefore no sea or wicked people to be raised. Justme is so negative even with things she does not have a clue about and said quote "I will deal with this bird thing." Yeah!!! and she went to water.

Now let me show you how another of her theories hits the dust. There’s an old saying. Put up or shut up."

So I will put up. Let’s see what J, can do I will use her words "come on you can do it.".

Rev19:17. Feast yourselves on Kings, captains, great and small.
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev19:18. Eat the flesh of kings of the Earth who gather for war.
18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Rev19:19. The beast and King’s armies gather for war against
He that rides on the white horse.
19And I saw the BEAST, AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.


Rev19:20. Beast & false prophet are captured & thrown into lake
Of fire.
20and the BEAST WAS TAKEN, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were CAST alive INTO A LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone.


Armageddon War lasts 15 months, NOTE, see Daniel 7:11,12.
11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till THE BEAST WAS SLAIN, and HIS BODY destroyed, and GIVEN TO THE BURNING FLAME. 12As concerning THE REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their dominion taken away: yet THEIR LIVES PROLONGED FOR A SEASOND TIME.
Time = one. Season = 3 months total 15 months.

Rev19:21. The rest were put to the sword end of Armageddon
21And THE REMNANT WERE SLAIN WITH SWORD of him that sat upon the horse, which proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Rev20:1. Angel comes down from heaven with a great chain.
With the key to the pit. The angel is Abaddon the angel of the pit introduced to us in Rev 9:11.
1. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Rev 20:2. He grabs Satan & ties him up for the Millennium. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Rev20:3. Seals Satan in pit for the Millennium. He will not be able
Deceive until the 1000 years are up.
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

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Rev20:4. During the 1000 years judgement is given to God’s
Children, to judge the dead who are yet to be raised
at the second resurrection.

4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

Rev20:5. The rest of the dead stay dead until the 1000 years are
Up! God’s children reign as Priests with Him a 1000
Years!
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
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J quote "I don't think you have a valid argument to say the second resurrection is only of the wicked."
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Rev 20:6 God’s children are blessed for being a part of the first
Resurrection. The second death can’t effect them.
This is the first resurrection 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:7. 1000 years is now up and Satan is released to deceive
Those raised at the second resurrection.
7.And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev20:8. Nations are deceived be Satan. He gathers them for battle.


8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea

Rev 20: 9. They surround the camp of God His city.
9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


After reading the above verses, J says quote" "I don't think you have a valid argument to say the second resurrection is only of the wicked."


LOL she can’t be serious.


Rev20:10. Satan is thrown in the lake of fire where the false
Prophet and beast were thrown earlier. The rest are
Burned with fire!
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



Rev20:11. Our great God makes heaven and the Earth flee away.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev20:12. John sees the dead as they were judged out of the
Books.
Some try and put it over that this is another resurrection when there is no Earth left and therefore nothing cannot be retrieve from nothing.

12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev20.13. They were all judged according to their works fairly.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev20:14. Death hell are thrown into the fire of all consuming.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev20:15. As we know all who were not in the book of life
Were destroyed.

Chapter 21
Rev21:1. A new Earth for the old is no more. No sea!
1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea


Rev 21:2. The city of God descends upon the new Earth.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them,

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As I keep saying, Justme does not use the intent of the Bible in a verse by verse order, or use the bible’s intent. She quotes chapter numbers if we are lucky and verse numbers taken from here and there and rambles on with personal opinions which the bible does not verify and she ignores what others try to tell her, because she keeps repeating the same old hacked out questions.

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J says.

I am going to look into the beliefs of your religious group and find out why it matters. It obviously means a great deal to you that they are at different times. It obviously means a great deal to you to have the 1000 year reign with Christ to be after parousia and on earth. Biblically speaking, that ain't gonna happen.
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"My religious group?" LOL.

Well folks I have met, and meet a lot of Pastors who are goodly men whom I admire and respect and J R Hoffman, C W Wheeling, I M. T. Rosevear. SDA Pastor D Campbell. Uniting church are but a few. I have studied with the above and with members of the Assembly of God. Also many more from the S D A church, such as Pastor Shields and also from the Catholic church and some from the church of the Latter Day Saints. Anglican, and Uniting churches. where I have preached so she had better do her work and dredge up some dirt if she can. I will give some more names if she likes.

She Loses the biblical argument and tries the old "dig up the dirt trick," well she can go right ahead. By the way folks J says "my religious group" I am NOT a member of any church or group, unlike J who is too ashamed to even name her church!

 

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Now about the second outpouring of the Holy Spirit that J mentions.

We have looked at how many are to be influenced by the Holy Spirit at His outpouring in the "latter rain" in earlier posts and how He, the Spirit will use God’s elected people in the last days to turn many to the Christ.
Here we go again folks more about that same subject that J cannot seem to retain.

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J says.

Here is this 'latter rain' stuff. I wonder if you would tell me what you think this means. Could you use James 5:7 in your explanation.
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My reply is. Go back and find it for yourself. You have been told the answer!

Some people can’t help putting their feet well and truly in their mouths regularly, can they.

Every time they hear something from a previous posts they forget it and can’t remember a thing and ask about it again. It was dealt with so J will have to do the research and search for it.

In Daniel 12:6. We have the question and in verses 7 re given the answer of course unless we happen to be J type of course.

Daniel 12: 6.And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, HOW LONG shall it be to THE END OF THESE WONDERS?

Answer is in Daniel 12:7. And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Answer 3 ½ years, that was my answer straight from the Bible.

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"Those ALIVE at the coming will NOT precede those who have fallen asleep, who do NOT rise until AFTER the 1000 years."
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My reply. The Bible talks of the dead preceding the living but, come on where is there a 1000 years in the following verses?

They, the dead are raised only moments before the living and are caught up with them. TOGETHER, Hello! They are the "good guys" there isn’t one "bad guy" amongst them. A 1000 years is not mentioned in this verse there fore does not separate the "good guys" that are raised from death with the "good guys" raised that are living. Only the "bad guys" are to be raised 1000 years later.

1st Thessalonians 4: 16. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive remain shall be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Where is there a thousand years mentioned in that last verse?

It says "the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive remain shall be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM." YEAH!!!!
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It should be transparently clear folks, I’m speaking of those left behind on Earth, the "remnant," you know, those looking up at the resurrection of life taking place right in front of their eyes, as the two witnesses are being raised. They that are left, and are struck with fear, the righteous on the other hand are overjoyed. Yeah!!!
Righteous raised up at the end of the tribulation also known as the "time of trouble" The resurrection of life that occurs at trumpet 7. Not one of the dead are raised at that resurrection of life at trump SEVEN!!!
The trumpet period is during the tribulation along with the 7 bowls of the wrath of God 3 woes, woe one at trump 5, woe 2 at trump 6 and woe 3 at trump 7, the last trump, that ends the tribulation period when at the last trump the dead in Christ shall rise. only the dead in Christ not the wicked are raised at trump 7. I have given J countless verses for this fact but if she wishes to ignore them then that’s fine.

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Those two witnesses did their thing at the beginning of the great tribulation.
Before it started the woeing had just got giong even. As the great tribulation gets underway THE RIGHTEOUS AREN'T EVEN THERE!!!!!!!!!They fled Judea when they saw the abomination standing in the holy place.
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My reply. J speaks of the two witnesses in the past tense, well that says it all.

The two witnesses are to be in Jerusalem for 1260 days until the resurrection after they are killed then raised 3 ½ days later at the resurrection of life.

I think J’s logic is warped. This bit about they the righteous are not there is not an issue that is, not to an intelligent persons reasoning at least.

The dead and buried will rise from the old tombs from within Jerusalem so what if the righteous are in the mountain wilderness areas and are not there in Jerusalem, what has that to do with this argument? Boy O boy give me patience!

She gets all excited with her little twitchy trigger finger by banging away with frenzied excitement Tap, tap, tap, tap, like she did with the "birds thing" and gets all excited again thinking she has made some sort of deep reasoned argument that is some sort of strange victory, and does this thing with her itchy trigger finger quote "THE RIGHTEOUS AREN'T EVEN THERE!!!!!!!!!" and as usual falls flat on her face relying on her own simple minded logic. So what has she got to say now? O there’s more to come below.

In her feverish excited state, she even forgets herself and puts herself deeply into a big hole head first and does the twitchy finger thing again (!!!!!!!!) thank goodness she can’t use a gun on me, I’d be full of bullet holes. LOL

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I don't think I can recall anything you have ever got right!!!!!!!!Oh, yes, now you know that Matthew 27:52 is NOT discussing a true resurrection of the dead.
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Well 66 Books I do hope you’re reading this and have stopped laughing at J’s hilarious comedy sketches . After goofing up Justme starts spouting about me not getting things right and is so excited starts !!!!!!!!!! this trigger finger business! Some people can’t control themselves.

Jesus IS THE RESURRECTION. That’s why Moses and Elijah are still around and Enoch and some Saints. They are a few of the resurrection of Life, which is the Christ.

Matt 27:50. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the SAINTS which SLEPT ROSE, 53And CAME OUT OF THEIR GRAVES after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Remember what Justme said 66Books?. "Matt 27: 50 is NOT discussing a true resurrection of the dead."
LOL, LOL,LOL! HA, HA. YEAH and pigs fly!
The tribulation period comes to an end at trumpet seven and after woe three.
Re-read Rev 11.

Rev 11: Verse 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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J quote. What city might this have been?
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Here we are people. Above is a very, very, deep question by J.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED..
WOW! J, that was so incredible that it has actually sunk in and I have only had to state the fact a few dozen times, about the city being Jerusalem. A bit late but. Well done!

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PC said.
At the seventh trump the dead in Christ shall rise.
The two witnesses are raised and their enemies look on in fear, as they are left behind. And so they pray but it’s too late they missed the resurrection of life.
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J’s quote

Yes, those in that city would be in fear...there is a great tribulation coming, they are going to get it...big time ..why wouldn't they be in fear. They are left behind ..left behind alright...they are flat out killed or taken into captivity.

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Oh dear "left behind ?" J’s friend Linda8, will not like J, using that word "behind" as in "left behind" Linda8, made a big deal out of that pointless issue.

The tribulation ends at the second coming and those left behind have to face the battle of Armageddon.

 

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REV 11:13.And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the REMNANT were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The Remnant, meaning remainder are not all killed until the Armageddon battle.

Within 15 months duration.

Dan 7:11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.

TOTAL 15 MONTHS.

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J quote.

AND yes the birds would gather where the carcasses were. Carcasses, I mean, their spirits had returned to the God that gave it. Who knows, maybe they get lucky and don't have to do the backstroke in the sulfur lake. What did you think this great time of distress was going to be?

My reply.

What?

Quote "maybe they get lucky and don't have to do the backstroke in the sulfur lake."

That just goes to show how out of touch J is biblically about those left behind and the TIME. They are going to the Armageddon battle.

What did J say?

Oh yes. Quote" What did you think this great time of distress was going to be?"

My reply is simple. See what they are going to receive at that battle and J would have her answer in full measure.

Rev 16:16. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.



This is when Jesus CALLS THE BIRDS folks as He gathers His Armies for the battle of Armageddon after the wedding supper in Rev 19: 1 to 16 then we get the Lord’s words at 17.



Rev 19:17. "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and HE CRIED with a loud voice, saying TO ALL the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, COME GATHER yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;"

Rev 19;21. And the REMNANT were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the FOWLS were filled with their flesh

So much for all the talk about Justme saying "I will deal with the bird thing."

Whoops! Her feet in mouth again

The remnant will be put to the sword and left for the birds Rev 19;21. And the REMNANT were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


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J quote "Exactly."
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Well folks Justme agrees about the "pesky birds thing" that she thought "I was avoiding. We are making progress by using the Bible. It is good to see her change her mind.
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Maranatha.

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The TEMPLE IS A HOLY ONE CALLED THE TEMPLE OF GOD not called the Temple of Lucifer or temple of Satan

Let us read the exact words from the Bible

2 THESSALONIANS 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the TEMPLE OF GOD shewing himself that he is God.

You are wrong for it is not CALLED THE TEMPLE OF SATAN.

My reply.

Well, well, well, What a surprise to hear from you. Last time I spoke to you, was when you said that there was a resurrection at Rev 20 verse 12 to 15 of the dead.

When I pointed out that it was a record, only of how they had previously been judged and dealt with in verses 5, 8, and 11, of Rev 20.

Therefore, there could not be another resurrection at verse 12 because the Earth, sea and heavens were no longer in existence to raise the dead from. 11 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

You went dead silent on your theory. I am still waiting for your explanation.

What was it you said to meLinda8 before checking your facts thoroughly?

Linda’s quote. "You are wrong for it is not CALLED THE TEMPLE OF SATAN."

The Temple of God is the temple of God, everybody knows that and I have never called the Temple of God the temple of Satan ,so get it right or keep it to yourself. Read what Daniel says before you start using your accusing little pathetic attitude on me!

It is Daniel that says that he, Satan shall plant the tabernacles of his palace in the glorious holy mountain yet he shall come to his end.

Daniel 11:45. AND HE SHALL PLANT THE TABERNACLES OF HIS PALACE between the seas IN THE GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN; yet he shall come to HIS END, and none shall help him.

So Linda8, before you start off by saying that I am "wrong" time after time, by repeating your hackneyed words, THINK first!

quote "You are wrong for it is not CALLED THE TEMPLE OF SATAN."
If I were you Linda8, in future I would check first to see who’s Tabernacle it is I’m speaking about. check the Bible first before you start judging people as being "wrong."

Or are you saying Daniel is wrong as well?

You must be, because I am just repeating what Daniel said.

 

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Hi PC or whoever is filling in for you,
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The "nasty abomination" and let’s not forget, what the children call the abomination, "Da ‘nasty’ ‘nasty’ naughty, naughty, abomination fing" is going to plant himself UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH:

Actually no it doesn't the abomination appears in the holyplace and when the friends of Jesus see it they flee from Judea. All your stuff about the north side is unnecessary. Who needs it? the bible is crysal clear concerning the abomination.

15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Then before you drag us thru another 10 miles of Daniel why not explain the parallel verse in Luke just for fun?

20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.

C'mon Pc you can do it!!!!

Justme

Justme quote.
Actually no it doesn't the abomination appears in the holyplace and when the friends of Jesus see it they flee from Judea. All your stuff about the north side is unnecessary. Who needs it? the bible is crysal clear concerning the abomination.
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My reply.

"All MY STUFF about the north side is unnecessary?

I think Justme means "sides of the North" which is the location of the Temple site!

Beside, I’m not the one saying it, it is THE BIBLE THAT ACTUALY SAYS IT.

THE BIBLE SAYS, IT IS SATAN THAT PLANTS HIS TABERNACLE THERE AND SITS THERE, SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE Justme, CAN’T CLAIM THAT IT WAS SOME ROMAN SOLDIER THAT SAT IN THE TEMPLE WAY BACK IN 70AD.

The Bible mentions it and Justme says quote, "it is unnecessary," seeing that it is the Bible that emphasises the fact that it is at the "sides of the North," then Justme must be saying that the Bible is necessary!

It is precisely with Justme’s woeful lack of biblical attention to detail and imprecise, study methods and attitude that makes Justme’s theories look dull.

These following events, are to occur "at the time of the end" during the tribulation period. Satan causes devastation world wide.

The end of Satan and his children, will be the finale results.

Justme said this. Quote." I would consider that the abomination was someone in the Roman army that stood in the hoy place of the temple in Jerusalem at the start of the war that ended with the city of Jerusalem being pretty well destroyed. Everyone thinks that the temple was protected by the people and was the final thing destroyed in that war. From what I read the temple was entered by the army very early in the conflict."
"I guess the bottom line isn't what I believe, but rather what does the bible say and how much does it matter if we imbellish the bible story a bit?"
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I would say that it matters a lot folks. Rev 22:18.For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
These next verses are NOT REFERRING TO SOME ROMAN SOLDIER GOING INTO THE TEMPLE IN 70AD, AS JUSTME WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE.

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

These verses are referring to what Satan will do.

Isaiah 14:13.For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH.

Isaiah 14:14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people, the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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Matt 24:15. "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand—16. then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Justme says.

Quote. "Then before you drag us thru another 10 miles of Daniel why not explain the parallel verse in Luke just for fun?"
C'mon Pc you can do it!!!!

Justme

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My reply.

Really Folks, I don’t need to do it, the Bible will do it for me. I will start with Luke 21: 20, and 21 and go through the rest of what Jesus says, which leads to our resurrection of life.



Knowing from Isaiah that it is Satan that sits where he ought not, by planting his tabernacles "upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north." and NOT a Roman soldier as Justme falsely claims in 70 AD, we can clearly see what and who it is and see that the TIME is just before the second coming.

Isaiah 14: 13,For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north

Isaiah 14:16. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth TO TREMBLE, that did SHAKE KINGDOMS; 17That made the world as a WILDERNESS, and DESTRYED the CITIES thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

When we see the following what should the Christian Israelite do?

Luke 21: 20. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

"Depart!"

21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

When all prophecies written are to be fulfilled.

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

When will the time of the gentiles be fulfilled?

In 70AD? Don’t think so, read on!

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

When will the time of the gentiles be fulfilled?

At the second coming!

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


"Our redemption draweth nigh," that says it all folks, about the TIME!

So, where does that place Rev 11?

Right at the end and not back in 70AD!

So we have a tabernacle planted in the sides of the North, by Satan who sits there, and the Gentiles not only surround but take over the city until they come to there full allotted time of 42 months.

Rev 11:2.But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the GENTILES: and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY TWO MONTHS.

Then after 1260 days later, the two witnesses are to be killed in Jerusalem.

7.And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

After 3 ½ days, we have the resurrection of life.

Rev 11: 11.And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Maranatha.

Prophecy Countdown.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Justme]

Hi PC,

I guess you haven't heard. The first resurrection talked about in Rev 20:4 and 6 takes place in the spiritual realm BEFORE the parousia. I have shown the verses that prove that a 1000 times and you are one of the few who don't get it.

As well, you are wrong about the earth ending at the parousia. Remember the bible tells us that those who die AFTER the parousia are blessed.

Because you are incorrect in the basic assumption of when the 1000 year reign with Christ is the rest of your theory is meaningless. Don't bother cut and pasting it again, I have your verses memorized. The problem is that your interpretation of those verses is wrong.

Let's start from the other end of the problem for a change.

Read the last verses of Rev 14 from verse14 on. That talks about the coming on the clouds.
You will notice that John sees this just as he is told:
Rev 14
13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."

The parousia takes place and people who die after that event are blessed....

Why do you s'pose that is?

Justme

 

[Justme]

Hi vinsight4u,

You wrote:
Okay, what does the bible tells us must happen before this specific time of abomination that Jesus says comes at the end generation?

Could you point out any biblical verses that say it is an 'end' generation?

Concerning this abomination that causes desolation, I have the following questions.

Luke mentioned an army surrounding Jerusalem in exactly the same context of conversation as the other two writers talked about the abomination. Could an army make Jerusalem desolate?

When the people of Judea see this abomination standing in the holy place they are supposed to flee. There was a holy place in the temple and at the time the temple was destroyed there was a Judea.

What do people in the future see and how do they flee from Judea.

How will it be difficult for expectant mothers?
Why will it be difficult to flee on the sabbath?

You mentioned that one generation would see these things ....apparently so and one of the things' is the destruction of the temple that the apostles were in that day. How do you fit that in?

Daniel 12 says this:
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

When was this daily sacrifice abolished? If it wasn't abolished in the past where is the temple that is worthy to place a sacrifice in?

Then there is the big question...the bible is very clear that the second coming of Jesus Christ is future to anyone who has ever read the bible or ever will...how does that work?

Justme

 

[cbk]

I was reading about the temple mount faithful group. In their literature, I read where it is a Jewish tradition that ALL generations that have lived since the destruction of the second temple are considered to be OF that generation and that the next generation will not come until the rebuilding of the new temple.

Now this is from a group of Jews who do not believe that Christ was the Messiah and place NO value in anything he said. I was wondering if such a tradition or belief has some merit, or is it just a modern thinking?

 

[parousia70]

I was wondering if such a tradition or belief has some merit, or is it just a modern thinking?

Well, it certainly has no scriptural merit, if that was your question.

 

[Hitch]

Now this is from a group of Jews who do not believe that Christ was the Messiah and place NO value in anything he said. I was wondering if such a tradition or belief has some merit, or is it just a modern thinking?

Is this a rhetorical question?

 

[cbk]

Now this is from a group of Jews who do not believe that Christ was the Messiah and place NO value in anything he said. I was wondering if such a tradition or belief has some merit, or is it just a modern thinking?

Is this a rhetorical question?

No, I was wondering if the belief of some modern day Jews (that all generations that live without a temple are OF the same generation as the one WHEN the temple was destroyed) has its linkage to a belief of Jews in the past?

For example, were the generation of Jews between the first and second temple considered to be the same by Jews in the past?

If so, then Jesus' words may have meant more to the Jews than to us, Gentile believers.

 

[rebaa]

cbk,

Good morning! If i understand what your talking about it would seem to me to be answered here.

Matt 1:17
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
KJV

From the gospels we can see a good discription of what a generation is.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[rebaa]

Hi vinsight4u,

You wrote:
Okay, what does the bible tells us must happen before this specific time of abomination that Jesus says comes at the end generation?
J
Could you point out any biblical verses that say it is an 'end' generation?

vin
Matthew 24 is divided up into several generations.
First it lists things that are not for the end -then it goes into the things that start the time of the beginning of sorrows.

Most seem to mess this up though.

Matthew 24:6
must come to pass
but the end is not yet
Meaning those of that day would have to live clear through the time of wars and rumors of wars and still even if they could have -it would still not even be the start of the time of the end. Jesus told us all that stuff comes to pass -but the end is not yet.
v. 6
see that ye be not troubled
///Then how could any of that be for the tribulation generation?

v. 8
All these are the beginning of sorrows
///so now at v. 7 we find what starts the time of be ye troubled -as now it is the beginning of sorrows generation

v. 7
for nation shall rise against nation
kingdom against kingdom
////sounds like world war to me
there shall be famines
pestilences
earthquakes

-v. 8
All these are the beginning of sorrows

v. 9
ye shall be hated of all nations for My name's sake
v. 15
ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
spoken of by Daniel the prophet

////Daniel didn't just pop out one verse about this abomination time -

He told us what leads up to it and must come after it.
No way has it come to pass yet.
Daniel 11 shows the vile person begins to rule as the king of the north at v. 21 and commits the abomination at v. 31.

Matthew 24:21

For then shall be great tribulation
such as was not
nor ever shall be

J
Concerning this abomination that causes desolation, I have the following questions.
Luke mentioned an army surrounding Jerusalem in exactly the same context of conversation as the other two writers talked about the abomination. Could an army make Jerusalem desolate?

vin

I think it says -armies-as in more than one
not as in the Roman army
and it was to show the abomination is near
not that that is the abomination
Jesus told us -when ye see it standing where it ought not.

in the holy place -Daniel -they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength

J

When the people of Judea see this abomination standing in the holy place they are supposed to flee. There was a holy place in the temple and at the time the temple was destroyed there was a Judea.

What do people in the future see and how do they flee from Judea.

vin

Judea -is still in Israel
Just as some prophecies speak of the Assyrian land and the land of Nimrod being taken down one day by the One born in Bethlehem. Micah 5
Today they still exist -as Iraq.
Another temple has yet to be built first.
Rev. 11 begins by having John measure for one -one where the Gentiles will be given the outer court,. but take the city and tread it under 42 months.

J
How will it be difficult for expectant mothers?
Why will it be difficult to flee on the sabbath?

vin
Same as in the past -Israel still honors the sabbath day for them.
J
You mentioned that one generation would see these things ....apparently so and one of the things' is the destruction of the temple that the apostles were in that day. How do you fit that in?
vin
Jesus told His generation that they would not see one of the days of the Son of man.
He also told them that they would not be the generation of the end -as He has told them there would not be signs from heaven to that generation.

the only sign Jesus told them their generation would see is-
the sign of the prophet Jonas
J
Daniel 12 says this:
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

When was this daily sacrifice abolished? If it wasn't abolished in the past where is the temple that is worthy to place a sacrifice in?

vin
A new temple will be built on the holy site.

J
Then there is the big question...the bible is very clear that the second coming of Jesus Christ is future to anyone who has ever read the bible or ever will...how does that work?

vin
I'm not sure what you are asking here. Jesus told us that when His kingdom is of this world -His servants will fight.
He told that to Pilate.
At the 7th trumpet -the kingdoms of this world become His.

6th seal -the kings and mighty and such will hide in the rocks

Isaiah wrote how when the day of the Lord comes that is what the wicked will do-hide in the rocks for fear of the Lord and His glory.

They will be humbled, but it will be too late.

vin

Matthew 24 is divided up into several generations.

One time in Matt 24 does Jesus use the word generation and when HE does He says this generation.



Matt 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV

He also told them that they would not be the generation of the end

Where does Jesus say this? Please be as strick with your interpretation as you were to Justme about armies and army

vin

I'm not sure what you are asking here. Jesus told us that when His kingdom is of this world -His servants will fight.

He told that to Pilate.

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
KJV


The scripture does not say when it says if . Read it again Vin, the scripture is correct man is not.

 

[Justme]

Hi Vin,


You wrote:
Matthew 24 is divided up into several generations.
First it lists things that are not for the end -then it goes into the things that start the time of the beginning of sorrows.
Most seem to mess this up though.
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Actually that can't be because Jesus specifically states :
Luke 21
32"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

ALL the things must happen in THIS generation...one generation ...this one.


You wrote:
Matthew 24:6
must come to pass
but the end is not yet
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Jesus tells them that they will hear rumors of war, but it is when nation raises up against nation that will be the biggee. The nation against nation thing was actually present in Jerusalem at that time as we see in Acts 2:
5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.

You wrote:
///Then how could any of that be for the tribulation generation?
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Very easy because this is the generation that was subject to the wrath of God as we see here:
Matt 23
33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify;

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

You wrote:
v. 8
All these are the beginning of sorrows
///so now at v. 7 we find what starts the time of be ye troubled -as now it is the beginning of sorrows generation
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The verses point more directly at those Jesus talked to.

You wrote:
v. 7
for nation shall rise against nation
kingdom against kingdom
////sounds like world war to me
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Again I refer you to Acts 2:5. Josephus records a truly horrible time of killing and death, even to mothers eating their own children....that is a time of great tribulation.

You wrote:
ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
spoken of by Daniel the prophet

////Daniel didn't just pop out one verse about this abomination time -
He told us what leads up to it and must come after it.
No way has it come to pass yet.
Daniel 11 shows the vile person begins to rule as the king of the north at v. 21 and commits the abomination at v. 31.
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Matthew also describes this abomination and what follows it. The Olivet discourse is much more straight forward and easier to understand than a prophecy from hundreds of years earlier.
Jesus tells Peter, James, John and Andrew that they (or people they talk to)
will see certain things. ie the abomination standing in the holy place. When they see this they should flee Judea. The holy place is described here:
Hebrews 9
2A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place.

To flee Judea after 70 AD was impossible as we see here in the catholic encyclopedia:
........... it returned to the procurators until A. D. 66; and in A. D. 70 Judea disappeared as an individual district. ..........

Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation
such as was not
nor ever shall be
Yes there is only one great tribulation. There can be no dual fulfillment, there can be no partial fulfillment.

J
Concerning this abomination that causes desolation, I have the following questions.

Luke mentioned an army surrounding Jerusalem in exactly the same context of conversation as the other two writers talked about the abomination. Could an army make Jerusalem desolate?

vin
I think it says -armies
-as in more than one
not as in the Roman army
and it was to show the abomination is near
not that that is the abomination
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The verse uses the plural of army, but I can't see reading a whole lot into that. As far as showing the abomination is near, no that is not what the verse says.
Luke 21
20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,

In reality there is no way possible to come out of this with any other conclusion than the army(s) is the abomination that causes desolation. Did the war that destroyed the temple leave Jerusalem desolate or not? Yes, it did.

J
When the people of Judea see this abomination standing in the holy place they are supposed to flee. There was a holy place in the temple and at the time the temple was destroyed there was a Judea.

What do people in the future see and how do they flee from Judea.

vin
Judea -is still in Israel
Just as some prophecies speak of the Assyrian land and the land of Nimrod being taken down one day by the One born in Bethlehem. Micah 5
Today they still exist -as Iraq************************

Did Jesus tell the deciples to flee from Iraq or Palestine? No, He told them to flee from Judea.

You wrote:
Another temple has yet to be built first**********************

Another temple has already been built, a temple that holds the ultimate sacrifice. The sacrifice that shows us no further sacrifice need ever be given. Therefore there need not ever be another temple.
The new temple is here:
Hebrews 9
11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[2] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place ..........

There is never a need for a new temple because:
Rev 21
22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

You wrote:
Rev. 11 begins by having John measure for one -one where the Gentiles will be given the outer court, but take the city and tread it under 42 months.
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How long did the gentiles(Roman armie(s) tred on Jerusalem? Most say 66-70 AD, 42 months.

J
How will it be difficult for expectant mothers?
Why will it be difficult to flee on the sabbath?

vin
Same as in the past -Israel still honors the sabbath day for them.
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Is there a law that prohibits more than a 3/4 of a mile walk on the sabbath in Israel today? There was then.
What about pregnant women fleeing in winter? It is no problem now, but it was then.

vin
Jesus told His generation that they would not see one of the days of the Son of man.
He also told them that they would not be the generation of the end -as He has told them there would not be signs from heaven to that generation.
the only sign Jesus told them their generation would see is-
the sign of the prophet Jonas
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The above comes from Luke 17. Here Jesus points out that the kingdom of God is not seen by people, it is within you. NOw look thru and see what the Kingdom of God is, what is the Kingdom of God used interchagably with. Compare Matthew 16:28 and Mark 9:1.

J
Daniel 12 says this:
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

When was this daily sacrifice abolished? If it wasn't abolished in the past where is the temple that is worthy to place a sacrifice in?

vin
A new temple will be built on the holy site.
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Well, tho, when was sacrifice abolished? That is the question.

J
Then there is the big question...the bible is very clear that the second coming of Jesus Christ is future to anyone who has ever read the bible or ever will...how does that work?

vin
I'm not sure what you are asking here. Jesus told us that when His kingdom is of this world -His servants will fight.
He told that to Pilate.
At the 7th trumpet -the kingdoms of this world become His.
6th seal -the kings and mighty and such will hide in the rocks
Isaiah wrote how when the day of the Lord comes that is what the wicked will do-hide in the rocks for fear of the Lord and His glory.
They will be humbled, but it will be too late.

Where does Jesus ever say His Kingdom is of this world? He flatly states it is not of this world.

Luke 17
"The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

In summary, how do you reconcile your idea of many generations in the Olivet discourse with Matthew 24:34 which clearly says ALL these things in THIS generation...

Mostly tho I would like to always come back to the abomination. After ascension Jesus entered the MOST HOLY place which is in Heaven. The MOST HOLY PLACE is the room next to the HOLY PLACE. How could an abomination get in there. If you want to go with a new temple here on earth, what would God have need of it for, what could it possibly mean to Him. He already has the perfect temple and the perfect sacrifice. Further to that in the new heaven and new earth there is no temple anyway. Why is there need for another temple? Temples were places of sacrifice and offerings to God, what is the need for that now?

Justme