Abomination of desolation

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Hi PC,

I guess you haven't heard. The first resurrection talked about in Rev 20:4 and 6 takes place in the spiritual realm BEFORE the parousia. I have shown the verses that prove that a 1000 times and you are one of the few who don't get it.

As well, you are wrong about the earth ending at the parousia. Remember the bible tells us that those who die AFTER the parousia are blessed.

Because you are incorrect in the basic assumption of when the 1000 year reign with Christ is the rest of your theory is meaningless. Don't bother cut and pasting it again, I have your verses memorized. The problem is that your interpretation of those verses is wrong.

Let's start from the other end of the problem for a change.

Read the last verses of Rev 14 from verse14 on. That talks about the coming on the clouds.
You will notice that John sees this just as he is told:
Rev 14
13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."

The parousia takes place and people who die after that event are blessed....

Why do you s'pose that is?

Justme

Justme said.
"I guess you haven't heard. The first resurrection talked about in Rev 20:4 and 6 takes place in the spiritual realm BEFORE the parousia. I have shown the verses that prove that a 1000 times and you are one of the few who don't get it."
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My reply.

What verses, and where are the verses Justme is talking of? She has taken verses in isolation and tries to fit them into her church organised religious taught theories and ignores their original intent, others and myself have used the clear intent of scripture to stop her, deluding others.

The Bible rejects outright, Justme’s persistence in this theory of beings being raised, "in the spirit realm." In Rev 20:4.

BODY, SPIRITUAL — the body of a person after its resurrection and glorification, no longer subject to sin, disease, and death. After His resurrection, Jesus was not a ghost or a spirit; he was able to eat "a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb" (Luke 24:42). And yet Jesus’ body already had certain spiritual qualities. Even before His ascension He was able to enter a room where His disciples were assembled, although the doors were shut (John 20:19).

Ronald F. Youngblood, general editor; F.F. Bruce and R.K. Harrison, consulting editors, Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary: An authoritative one-volume reference work on the Bible with full color illustrations [computer file], electronic edition of the revised edition of Nelson’s illustrated Bible dictionary, Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995.

Rev 20: 4 is easy to follow, as I have said before, "just read what the Bible says."

THE RESURECTION!

God’s people from ALL NATIONS receive the promised blessing after 1335 days spoken of by Daniel 12: 12. "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."



Knowing that the "blessing" occurs after the resurrection in Rev 19: 7, at the wedding SUPPER, which is a MEAL, so those raised ARE EATING! Hello! To the Justme’s of this world who can’t accept that fact!

So, those raised are of the resurrection of life are not floating around in a spirit type existence at all, they are able TO EAT food.

The Saint are raised at the resurrection of life attend the supper and receive the blessing from Jesus.

Rev 19: 7. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage ofthe Lambis come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints

9.And he saith unto me, Write, BLESSED are THEY WHICH are CALLED unto the marriage SUPPER OF THE LAMB. And he saith unto me,

That’s the first resurrection of life finished with.

Now for the judgement and who does the judging, it’s those that were eating at the wedding supper of the Lamb. All that food in their mouths, Yeah! They have mouths heads stomachs etc.

Rev 20: 4. And I saw thrones, and THEY SAT UPON THEM, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and THEY LIVED and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5. (But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.)

The wicked dead stay that way for the millennium.

As I said the first resurrection of life is completed and the dead and living in Christ, are ALL RAISED!

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This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Justme starts adding words like "spiritual realm" to try and put her failed erroneous theories into the biblical realm, which is impossible from what we have seen of her theories.

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Justme says, without any biblical backup this.

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"As well, you are wrong about the earth ending at the parousia. Remember the bible tells us that those who die AFTER the parousia are blessed."
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Well, well, well folks. Justme, states things that I have NEVER SAID OR SUGGESTED.

So much for her lack of comprehension skills!

 

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If that word "parousia," means second coming then I have never suggested that the Earth is destroyed at that time.

The world will be destroyed, just after the second resurrection of damnation which occurs AFTER the millennium! I have said this using the Bible, many times!

As we have studied earlier, the millennium starts after the resurrection of life in Rev 20: 4.

Those that are a part of that resurrection of life are blessed, but the wicked are left stone cold dead.

Rev 20: 5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

The first resurrection of life is before Armageddon because the Armageddon battle is fought with those received at the wedding supper, AFTER THE FIRST RESURRECTION, WHICH IS HELD BOFORE THE MILLENIUM.

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This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So if Satan is bound for the millennium in Rev 20 1, 2, 3 and is released after the millennium, and the dead stay dead for the millennium, then it doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out where the people come from who are at Gog and Magog!

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

That is the resurrection of damnation dealt with.

Now for the Devil’s turn!

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Heaven and Earth and the sea are now going to be destroyed and please note this happens after the Millennium.

Remember the time is 1000 years after the resurrection of life, which as we know was at His second advent 1000 years earlier. Sorry folks to belabor this but I don’t want Justme to misquote me again.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

There is no way known that these next verses refer to a resurrection happening again, because the Earth is all done away with and finished with in verse 11, eccept for the reading of how it was all carried out. there is no Earth to resurrect from or anybody left, not after being burned out of existence at the resurrection of damnation. "The earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found NO PLACE for them."



The following is how the WICKED were judged.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Justme says.

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Because you are incorrect in the basic assumption of when the 1000 year reign with Christ is the rest of your theory is meaningless. Don't bother cut and pasting it again, I have your verses memorized. The problem is that your interpretation of those verses is wrong.

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My reply.

I have just used the Bible extensively, AGAIN which Justme doesn’t like me doing, because it is the Bible that proves her incorrect.

We have yet to see her use the Bible verse by following verse, as I do and following what IT says, but all we seem to get from her is a verse here and there isolated then reams of theory.

We have those that only use isolated bits of the Bible to try and fit it into their theories, we should read what the Bible says and to hell with the theories of men.

As far as her using the word "parousia" I do not use the word "parousia." It is not in the Bible.

Satan is imprisoned in Rev 20:1 to 3.

 

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Let us have a look at what the Bible says. We can see if my "interpretation of those verses is wrong." As Justme claims without her using any Bible back up!

The resurrection of life and Armageddon battle have been fought between the righteous and wicked remnant see Rev 19: 1 to 21.

The birds have their fill of flesh at the end of the Armageddon battle.

Rev 19: 21. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Rev 20: 1. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the DEVIL, and Satan, and BOUND HIM A THOUSAND YEARS, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and SHUT HIM UP, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.



So from the above we can see that the millennium starts at Rev 20:3.

Satan is imprisoned for the millennium see Rev 20:1, 2, and 3.

During the millennium the righteous raised at the resurrection of life judge the wicked dead and of course includes those killed at Armageddon.

All the wicked who were not a part of the resurrection of life stay dead.

Why? Because they were wicked, yes you would think that Justme would understand that very simple fact, but NO!

The resurrection of life will occur at His second coming, and the dead stay dead until after the 1000 years, the division between the righteous and wicked at that time will be made so that they can be judged by the righteous! Check it out with the BIBLE folks.

Now here comes verse 4.that Justme, thinks proves something other than what the Bible actually says quite clearly, that the 1000 years starts just after the second resurrection and just after the Armageddon battle!

Rev 20:4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and THEY LIVED AND REIGNED with Christ a thousand years.

Look folks it doesn’t say they are in spirit form at all, they have been at the wedding supper EATING in Rev 19. They have just finished off the wicked at the Armageddon battle and now reign with Christ for the millennium.

They would need to carry swords in their hands, yes hands and have legs etc. They are not floating about invisible because those that are put to the sword will see them coming.

The lord’s heavenly armies gathered Rev 19:19. And I SAW the beast, and the kings of the earth, and THEIR ARMIES, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against HIS ARMY.

But of course Justme, would have us believe that John didn’t really see the heavenly armies because they are invisible, but only saw the earthly armies. LOL. Yet in her very next statement, insists that John saw it as it happened. She only does that when it suits her fantasy tale.

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Justme says.

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Let's start from the other end of the problem for a change.
Read the last verses of Rev 14 from verse14 on. That talks about the coming on the clouds.
You will notice that John sees this just as he is told:
Rev 14
13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." The parousia takes place and people who die after that event are blessed....
Why do you s'pose that is?
Justme

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OK folks. Rev 14: 13 is during the tribulation period which we will prove using scripture.

So, what is Justme trying to say?

Is she saying that the resurrection of life takes place, "and people who die after that event are blessed....Why do you s'pose that is?" She asks.
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After that event? When we are told from the Bible that at that time of the second coming at the resurrection of life, "death where is thy sting" we have victory at the resurrection of life over death, SO HOW CAN DEATH CONTINUE as Justme, has incorrectly stated?

HER TIMING IS WOEFULLY OFF, as usual!

Here is where the Bible proves her wrong and I hope she doesn’t miss it, she keeps protesting about me using the Bible. Now you will find out why and so will she the hard way.

Justme claims that she knows and memorised the verses that I have used, well let’s have a look at Rev 14 and see why she doesn’t know what she is talking about.

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Justme said, quote. "Don't bother cut and pasting it again, I have your verses memorized. The problem is that your interpretation of those verses is wrong."

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We shall see.

1ST Corinthians 15:51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL BE RAISED incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on IMMORTALITY. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, DEATH IS SWOLLOWED UP IN VICTORY. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

No person, that is righteous will die after the second coming, only the wicked who stay dead for a 1000 years, only to be raised and killed by fire!

Remembering that Rev is like Daniel, in that we have the outline, then an enlargement.

Lets read Rev 14:13, along with a few of its other verses before and after verse 14, to get to the full story.

Knowing that Justme’s timing is off we can get the Bible’s perspective on verse 13.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

The 144 thousand are made up from the Jewish nation’s twelve tribes as we shall see, however there are other Jews present with all the other nations just after the resurrection of life as we shall see.

2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Notice that they are the redeemed among men.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Some falsely claim that the Bible was preached to the whole world, back in the first century, but to do that they have to add their own words "the known world," which is a no, no, but if we read on we can see that it is at the time of the end that this occurs.

7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

The beast is now mentioned as being on the scene, which gives us a clear definition of the "time of the end" period that all this is to happens within.

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the BEAST and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Of course, we now have the consequences for those who worship the beast or his image.

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

The wicked are judged by the righteous as they lay dead for the millennium, which we have already studied in Rev 20 in detail.

We have read the suffering that occurs during the wrath of God and eventually the torment at the second resurrection of damnation, after the millennium, then the wicked burning to death, which will be their finale fate, a thousand years later.

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The period called the "time of trouble" it is also called the "great tribulation," a period that will test the Saints. Note that this period precedes the second coming where the Saints are raised at the resurrection of life.

 

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12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. See Daniel 12:12 and note it is the time of the beast in verse 11.

During this tribulation period also mentioned as of a "time times and dividing of time" by Daniel does come to a finish.

Bible matching verse as to the time.

Daniel 12:7 "Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished"

Knowing that in verse 11 which mentions, the beast and we know at what time he appears, during the tribulation period, we know that many of God’s people will be put to death for the Lord’s name sake, including the two witnesses in Rev 11:7 and they are raised 3 ½ days later in verse 12 at trumpet seven.



So we know that some of those, living at that time of the end period, including the two witnesses are to be killed during the tribulation period and knowing from Paul, that we are to have victory at the resurrection of life over death at trumpet seven, the following verse then must occur before the resurrection of life at trump 7!

Rev 14: 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Now we come to the second coming where the seventh trumpet is blown for the resurrection of life to occur when victory over death is forever at the very next verse!



14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Now after the resurrection of life we go back again to the wicked and they are dealt with within the same sequence of events that we have studied before and Rev 14 is inline with all of Daniel and Revelation’s sequencing.

15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great WINE PRESS OF THE WRATH OF GOD.

Now we have studied in Revelation 19: 11 to 21 how Jesus is bent on war.

He returns with the Saints for the battle of Armageddon and kills the beast, who is burned to death with the false prophet.

With that in mind read on.

Rev 14 20. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

So that is it folks, concentrate on what the Bible says and reject the nonsense that death is to continue for the righteous after the resurrection of life, it just isn’t in the Bible.

Justme’s TIMING IS OFF the planet and as far as Rev14: 13 is concerned, let me say something after I copy what she said as follows.

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Justme quote. "13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." The parousia takes place and people who die after that event are blessed....
Why do you s'pose that is?"
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The answer is, verse 13 happens during the tribulation period, as we have already studied, so what does Justme try to say or prove? Nothing!

Maranatha.

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BODY, SPIRITUAL — the body of a person after its resurrection and glorification, no longer subject to sin, disease, and death. After His resurrection, Jesus was not a ghost or a spirit; he was able to eat "a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb" (Luke 24:42). And yet Jesus’ body already had certain spiritual qualities. Even before His ascension He was able to enter a room where His disciples were assembled, although the doors were shut (John 20:19).

You assume Jesus risin Body that he occupied for the 40 days before the ascention was His glorified Body. It was not.

You assume that His pre cross body (the one that WALKED ON WATER) was incapable of walking through walls.

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Greetings vinsight4u, How good it is to see you here again. May God continue to bless you in the power of the Spirit in truth, as I have witnessed by your posts.

I have just finished this study a few minutes ago and have just read all your posts which are all of an excellent standard and it was a joy to read them

I will post my study even though you are ahead of me on this. Ps, thanks for your reply to my message, it was very kind of you.

Greetings Colbey, my dear son I pray for you and James.

A special Greeting to you my dear son 66 Books, how soon will we see the lion with eagles wings GB and the USA, strike the Persians in these last days. The world is seeing Daniel’s prophetic pages being slowly turned and does not even realise it’s happening.

So we have a lot of work to do, and we need to be ready for the great day when our redemption draws near.

But, in the meantime we need power from on high, From our Comforter, the Holy Spirit, for that convicting convincing converting message to awaken those to the shortness of time, who wait for our Lord’s with anticipation.


Also greetings dear Palatka, I will get back to you soon I promise regards the "2300 evening and morning."

Justme says vinsight4u, said
Okay, what does the bible tells us must happen before this specific time of abomination that Jesus says comes at the end generation?


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Could you point out any biblical verses that say it is an 'end' generation?
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Matt 24:34. Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATIN shall not pass, TILL All THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED.

What things shall be fulfilled?

35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of THAT DAY and HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE.

Well that didn’t happen during within the Apostle’s generation.
The second coming is yet to occur!

So, the generation of man will suffice.

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Justme.

Concerning this abomination that causes desolation, I have the following questions.
Luke mentioned an army surrounding Jerusalem in exactly the same context of conversation as the other two writers talked about the abomination. Could an army make Jerusalem desolate?
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All well and good to ask questions with no Bible references, which is done to load up vinsight4u, with all the work while Justme sits back doing nothing! What is her Bible reference regards the army that surrounds Jerusalem as she mistakenly claims is in 70AD, and how does she work out the time of that event?

All theory from her church, and that’s all it is!

Now for some Bible.

Daniel 12: 11. And from the time that the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Where does Justme get the idea that a Roman soldier sat in the temple for that period of 1290 days and when did it happen and what day did it finish in 70AD?

1290 days is around 3 ½ years.

So that means by Justme’s reckoning that the soldier left the Temple around 74AD when the Temple was no longer standing?

Or did the soldier sit there before the Romans went into Jerusalem, say 66AD?

Which was impossible because the Romans didn’t get into Jerusalem before that time

Jerusalem was razed by the Romans in AD 70 and the Temple destroyed in that year.

So how could a Roman soldier sit there for 1290 days spoken of in Daniel12:11.?

Until Justme, can answer that little biblical problem, she should stop peddling her Roman soldier sitting in the Temple stuff and go back and read the BIBLE and less of Josephus.

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"When the people of Judea see this abomination standing in the holy place they are supposed to flee. There was a holy place in the temple and at the time the temple was destroyed there was a Judea."
1. What do people in the future see and how do they flee from Judea.
2. How will it be difficult for expectant mothers?
3. Why will it be difficult to flee on the sabbath?
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Answer to question 1. Rev 11:2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under FORTY TWO MONTHS.

The Romans destroyed the Temple and it did not take 42 months in 70AD, or could Justme give the dates where the 42 months start and finish back in 70AD?

Luke 21:20. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh

Well we all know that Justme is very selective when it comes to the Bible verses she uses.

Let’s read on a bit and find out what happens using Luke and see if Rev 11 matches.

LUKE 21: 24.And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTILL THE TIME OF THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED.

The time of the Gentiles was not fulfilled in 70AD and has not been fulfilled yet.

So out goes the same Justme theory, with another biblical KO!

This is what happens next!

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

I don’t remember Justme’s trusted Historian Josephus, mentioning the sea roaring!

Another unfulfilled prophecy by Justme’s mentor Josephus, so out goes another assumption by Justme that he was some kind of historic prophet!

26Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Hang on folks, this next verse Justme, has to reject and ignore because it points to the second coming or does she claim that, that happened in 70AD also?

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Well what do you know, Vinsight4u, was right about the time and Justme’s theory has just been proven erroneous by use and power of the Bible.


Answer to question 2. They are pregnant, so the answer to that question is simple, try going for a jog when pregnant and see how far you get!

Answer to question 3. Ask any Jew or Sabbath keeper which Justme is NOT a keeper of, and the answer will be clear.

She follows her big church that keeps Sunday instead of the Sabbath of the Lord, so she is no example to follow or listen to.

If the Gentiles are going to trample on the city it will be difficult to leave whilst under their control.

Knowing that the Gentiles are to trample on the city in verse 24,and come to their full or end, when Jesus returns in verse 27 we can CLEARLY see that it is at the time of trouble and second coming and resurrection of life, and certainly not back in 70AD as Justme tries to put over.

Lets compare and complete Luke 21: 24 and 27 with Rev and see if it is also talking about the time of the tribulation and second coming. Or as falsely claims 70AD.

Rev 11: 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty two months.

So we have a temple being measured and it is within 1260 days plus 3 ½ days until the two witnesses are raised, verse 11, at the second coming!

Does that mean, it is before 70AD as Justme claims?

Read on and we shall see how the Bible KO Justme’s strange ideas.

3. And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

They are preaching 1260 days, that’s about 3 ½ years.

When do the two witnesses stop preaching?

In verse 7, of Rev 11 which is at the end of the 1260 days and the temple has not yet been destroyed in these verses yet, so where is the comparison with its destruction in 70AD?

What time does this go on for Folks?

Answer, until the second coming!

12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

It goes on until the second coming so we know that the two witnesses are witnessing during the tribulation period leading up to the second coming, 1260 days plus 3 ½ day from measuring the temple!

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

There you have it folks an exact match to Luke 21 and Rev 11, which did not happen in 70AD.

That is why we must reject Justme’s theories as erroneous.

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Justme’s question to vinsight4u,


You mentioned that one generation would see these things ....apparently so and one of the things' is the destruction of the temple that the apostles were in that day. How do you fit that in?

Daniel 12 says this:
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

When was this daily sacrifice abolished? If it wasn't abolished in the past where is the temple that is worthy to place a sacrifice in?
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Prophecy Countdown.

Well folks what can I say to a person that ignores the Bible and loves the teachings of men? Nothing!

The Bible does NOT say. "Sacrifice."

Justme quote "When was this daily sacrifice abolished?"

Let’s read what the Bible says.

Notice the word "sacrifice" is in italics which means it has been added, so Justme is making a big deal about the word "sacrifice" a word not in the script.

If we read Dan 12:11 properly and compare it with verse 2 of the two witnesses in Rev 11 we get a true perspective.

The translation should read "the place of the daily shall be taken away."

Daniel 12:11.And from the time the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Now we have the place of the daily being taken away. That is why it is not measured. Only the temple is measured. And as we have seen the two witnesses and temple are around until the second coming which occurs at the end of the 1260 days of their witnessing, 1260 plus 3½ days, so there is a temple around at the time of the end and second coming.



Rev 11:2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty two months.

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vinsight4u,

Then there is the big question...the bible is very clear that the second coming of Jesus Christ is future to anyone who has ever read the bible or ever will...how does that work?
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You are absolutely right about that biblical fact, Vinsight4u, not because I say so but because you use the Bible to prove what you say and a lot of it to maintain its intent. How refreshing to meet you!

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

Another pointless question posed by Justme.

If it wasn't abolished in the past where is the temple that is worthy to place a sacrifice in?
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Prophecy Countdown.

What a ridiculous question.

Of course the Temple was destroyed in 70AD.

But the prophecies concern the fact that not one stone would be left upon another and the wailing wall which was a part of the temple and is still standing, shows that, that prophecy is yet to be completed.

Dear Vinsight4u, Justme has been told this answer many times but is thick in understanding it!

She says this. Which I will print in red and counter her with my answers in black.

Justme quote in red.Quote.

"Mostly tho I would like to always come back to the abomination. After ascension Jesus entered the MOST HOLY place which is in Heaven. The MOST HOLY PLACE is the room next to the HOLY PLACE. How could an abomination get in there."________ ____ _________

Justme, has the wrong Temple in mind we are talking of the new Earthly temple of Satan a substitute that he will place in the mount.

Dan 11:12. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Isaiah 14:13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

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Justme says.

Quote.

"If you want to go with a new temple here on earth, what would God have need of it for, what could it possibly mean to Him."

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The new Temple, that is planted on the mount means nothing to God, eccept it is a trespass of the mount.

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Justme says.

Quote.

He already has the perfect temple and the perfect sacrifice. Further to that in the new heaven and new earth there is no temple anyway.

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Of course there is no temple Satan hasn’t planted it at the sides of the north yet. Isaiah 14:13.

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Justme says.

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Why is there need for another temple? Temples were places of sacrifice and offerings to God, what is the need for that now?
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Ask Satan, he is the one that wants it not true Christians or Christ following Israelites.

Isaiah 14:12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

We are told that it is "Lucifer" that is concerned with these prophecies of Isaiah.

What happens next?

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

We are told that Lucifer will sit "upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north." Not some Roman soldier as Justme falsely claims.

Where is that place that Satan sits?

Psalms 48:1. Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. 2Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, mount Zion, the sides of the north, the city of the great King.



Isaiah 14: 14.I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan will be brought down to a man and it is then that men will look at him with narrowing eyes and ask how it was that he caused through the dreadful tribulation period and made the world a wilderness a desolate place.

16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

IT IS Satan that sits in the mount.

It is Satan that builds a tabernacle on Zion at the side of the North.

Daniel 11:45. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

So when we see the abomination spoken of by Daniel sit on Mount Zion for 1290 days during the tribulation period we should take heed of the time, as being the "time of the END" and know who it is that sits there, Satan, and see Satan being dealt with ate the second coming when he is locked up in the pit for the millennium.

The Bible proves that it is not some Roman soldier that sits in the temple in 70 AD, as Justme likes try and put over.

Matt 24:15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

This is the type of thing these cronies of false teachings, like doing with the Bible and they love doing it.

An example.

Matt 27;5. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and DEPARTED, and went and HANGED HIMSELF.

Judges 7:17. And he said unto them, Look on me, and do likewise: and, behold, when I come to the outside of the camp, it shall be, as I do, so shall ye do.

Maranatha.

Prophecy Countdown

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

From post 486 by parousia70


Quote:

Originally Posted by: Prophecy Countdown











BODY, SPIRITUAL — the body of a person after its resurrection and glorification, no longer subject to sin, disease, and death. After His resurrection, Jesus was not a ghost or a spirit; he was able to eat "a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb" (Luke 24:42). And yet Jesus’ body already had certain spiritual qualities. Even before His ascension He was able to enter a room where His disciples were assembled, although the doors were shut (John 20:19).







You assume Jesus risin Body that he occupied for the 40 days before the ascention was His glorified Body. It was not.

You assume that His pre cross body (the one that WALKED ON WATER) was incapable of walking through walls.

You'll need to do better than these assumptions.

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Well, what can I say, eccept to tell you that YOU are the one "assuming,"

chum.

YOU should read before you start making false, misleading and untruthful statements.



This is what I posted, from the Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary.

It is their statement not mine.



BODY, SPIRITUAL — the body of a person after its resurrection and glorification, no longer subject to sin, disease, and death. After His resurrection, Jesus was not a ghost or a spirit; he was able to eat "a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb" (Luke 24:42). And yet Jesus’ body already had certain spiritual qualities. Even before His ascension He was able to enter a room where His disciples were assembled, although the doors were shut (John 20:19).


These following credits were shown directly under the above statement..

"Ronald F. Youngblood, general editor; F.F. Bruce and R.K. Harrison, consulting editors, Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary: An authoritative one-volume reference work on the Bible with full color illustrations [computer file], electronic edition of the revised edition of Nelson’s illustrated Bible dictionary, Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995".


As for the first part of your incorrect statement, about what "I assume.."

You said. quote.

"You assume Jesus risin Body that he occupied for the 40 days before the ascention was His glorified Body. It was not"

It was not My "assumption." It was Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary, that I quoted.

Also you said

"His glorified Body. It was not."

It was, Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary that said.

Quote..

"And yet Jesus’ body already had certain spiritual qualities"

Nobody said "HIS glorified body" As you wrongfully suggest!

You said.

Quote. "You assume that His pre cross body (the one that WALKED ON WATER) was incapable of walking through walls "

I did NOT assume nor have suggested that Jesus was "incapable of walking through walls."

May I remind you that Peter walked on water, for a little while at least.

Now let’s look at Philip when he mysteriously disappeared.

Acts 8:37.And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39And when they were COME UP OUT OF THE WATER, the Spirit of the LORD CAUGHT AWAY PHILIP, that the eunuch SAW HIM NO MORE: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40But Philip WAS FOUND IN AZOTUS: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

So from the above we can see that the Holy Spirit caught away Philip, mysteriously.

As for Peter, it was a matter of faith.

You made three assumptions about me that were incorrect, all based on sophistry, then you tried to credit me with printed statements made by Nelson’s new illustrated Bible dictionary.

You should not be so quick to shoot from the hip with accusations, unless you are willing to apologies for your mistakes. Don’t accuse people falsely until you have the evidence to back it up!

Let me give you back your own advice, WITH YOUR OWN WORDS.

"You'll need to do better than these assumptions."

 

[rebaa]

Vinsight4u,

Matt 24:32-33
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
KJV
Could it be a season to a fig tree is likened to a generation ?

True! Then how did Jesus describe the generation He was referring to?
-the one that sees all the signs

Jesus used the words "this generation"

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Justme]

Hi Prophecy Countdown,

I just have to go with this one first.

I want to show the people who constantly follow this thread just one more example of how you can get mixed up a bit at times.

From your post.
vinsight4u,

Then there is the big question...the bible is very clear that the second coming of Jesus Christ is future to anyone who has ever read the bible or ever will...how does that work?
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You are absolutely right about that biblical fact, Vinsight4u, not because I say so but because you use the Bible to prove what you say and a lot of it to maintain its intent. How refreshing to meet you!
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It is refreshing to meet you too PC...I wrote that first paragraph, not Vin!!!!!!!!

Yes, PC it was, Justme, who has known since boyhood, the following:

Then there is the big question...the bible is very clear that the second coming of Jesus Christ is future to anyone who has ever read the bible or ever will...how does that work?
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Don't worry, PC we can all get mixed up sometimes.

Justme

 

[vinsight4u]

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