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Now these are some of the reasons I can’t quite agree with you when you say,
Quote. "The millennium reign does not take place after the second coming."
These following quotes are taken from Nelsons KJV Bible commentary.
Order of the resurrection.
1st Corinthians 15: 23, 24. But each one in his own order: Christ the FIRSTFRUITS, AFTERWARD THOSE who are CHRIST’S AT HIS SECOND COMING.
24. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25. For HE MUST REIGN UNTIL HE HAS PUT ALL ENEMIMIES UNDER HIS FEET.
Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1994.
"The purpose of the angel is to bind Satan for a thousand years. Dragon indicates cruelty; serpent speaks of guile; Devil indicates him as the tempter of man; and Satan indicates he is the adversary of Christ and His people.
From verse 2–7 there are six mentions of 1000 years. If this number is symbolic, of what is it a symbol?
It cannot mean that which is endless, because the Greek language, as well as the Hebrew, has ample means to convey endlessness without ambiguity.
Thrown into the abyss, Satan is incarcerated, so that he is unable to deceive the nations for the length of that period, namely, the Millennium.
The sealing is for security, as elsewhere in Scripture. He is adequately curbed and restrained. What a boon to mankind is this! Deception has characterized Satan from Genesis 3 to the time now under consideration (cf. II Cor 4:3, 4).
In God’s purpose Satan will be loosed a little after the allotted time.
Why? Simply, God would reveal to us that he has not changed his nature, and that man still is susceptible to his wiles and stratagems. The result of the loosing is indicated in verses 7–8.
B. The Resurrection and Reign of the Saints. 20:4–6.
4. What was seen in 11:15 by way of anticipation is here realized. It is understood that Christ will sit on His throne and reign as the legitimate Son of David, and that is clearly stated in the last clauses of this verse. Who are the occupants of the thrones?
From the combined testimony of Scripture, they will be New Testament saints (cf. I Cor 6:2) who reign as the Queen of the King. Too, there will be Old Testament saints who will rule as viceregents of the King and Queen (cf. Deut 28:1, 13; Mt 19:28).
The martyred through the Tribulation Period, and those who resisted the idolatry worship of the beast, will also reign.
These will come to life (only a literal, not spiritual, resurrection will meet the demands of the context, in which individuals have been beheaded) and reign with Christ for the Millennium.
5. The rest of the dead do not experience resurrection until the thousand years were finished.
Thus, it is pointless and baseless to speak of a general resurrection in order to avoid the intervening period of 1000 years, as amillennialists do.
The order of the resurrection can be gleaned from these Scriptures: I Corinthians 15:23–24; Revelation 20:4–6; Daniel 12:1–3; and Luke 20:34–36.
The word first is found in verses 5 and 6. If this means there is but one resurrection, words are emptied of meaning.
There are definite stages in the first resurrection; the chief one is Christ Himself (cf. I Cor 15:20).
6. Blessed and holy are all who have part in the first resurrection, i.e., of the righteous. Blessed tells of their condition; holy speaks of their character.
They are priests and kings (cf. 1:6; I Pet 2:5), exactly as Christ combines the two offices (cf. Zech 6:13). The reign with Christ, prophesied in Old and New Testament alike, will endure a thousand years.
Over these righteous ones the second death (the lake of fire, vs. 14) has no sway; it holds no terror for them through the all sufficient work of the Saviour.
Rev 20:4. And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Daniel 12:1, 2, 3. "At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
Luke 20: 34, 36. And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35"But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage.
Jerry Falwell, executive editor; Edward E. Hinson and Michael Kroll Woodrow, general editors, KJV Bible commentary [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1994.
Justme quote.
Can you see the biblical sequence of events yet? Whether fire comes down from heaven to kill off some wicked in the year 2098 really doesn't matter does it?
My reply.
There are very good and sound reasons to have the timing right because when the abomination sits where he ought not, and folk get all the sequencing of events mixed up, Satan will confuse and confound them.
It really does matter about the sequence, where fire comes down he will mimic this.
2 Corinthians 11: 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an ANGEL OF LIGHT.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
These evil angels are going to be walking around down here with us, and the only thing we will have is our wisdom through faith.
Daniel 7:25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and THINK TO CHANGE TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
We are going to be handed over to him and to his fallen angels. It is going to be scary. I’m sorry but that’s the way it is going to be
We are going to desperately need the power of the Holy Spirit.
Rev 13:13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles.
These folk that are deluded are going to hammer God’s people and the sad thing is they think that they are on the side of right.
Matt 24: 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
If we know the timing it is a strong incentive and a builder of faith to understand that we only have to get through the 1335 days that Daniel spoke of to receive our blessing.
Daniel 12:11. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Justme, quote.
"The wicked are dealt with, so be it. Whether there is a white horse heading for Armaggedon changes nothing, Rev 20 and 1 Thess 4 lay out the sequence of events. I used the year 2099, but you can use any year you want, the sequence has to remain the same.
If not, why not?"
My reply.
When you say.
quote. "The wicked are dealt with, so be it. Whether there is a white horse heading for Armageddon changes nothing,"
It does change things. If Satan "seeks to change the times" he can bring forward a fake battle of Armageddon and those folk who are confused about the time sequence will find themselves deceived and fighting at Armageddon on the WRONG SIDE!
Yes I agree that 1 Thessalonians 4 does lay out a short sequence but it is at they end, after the decision of what side we are on during the tribulation is made.
It is going to happen too late, remember what happens before the second coming takes place?
He will change times and laws.
Rev 17: 8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and THEY THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH SHALL WONDER, whose names WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Daniel 12:21. And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Daniel 11: 34. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
I am sorry to disagree with you on this Justme, but to me the Timing is very important.
All the tricks Satan uses will confuse those who do not understand the timing of events and there duration periods and the trap of deception will shut on them suddenly.
I know this much, strong faith does not like surprises it can shake it and test it and strengthen, it can cause weak faith to crumble because of it or grow.
We may not agree on everything but we can beg to differ.
Or it could be that we agree on more than we both realise, I sincerely hope so.
Maranatha.
Prophecy Countdown.
Quote. "The millennium reign does not take place after the second coming."
These following quotes are taken from Nelsons KJV Bible commentary.
Order of the resurrection.
1st Corinthians 15: 23, 24. But each one in his own order: Christ the FIRSTFRUITS, AFTERWARD THOSE who are CHRIST’S AT HIS SECOND COMING.
24. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25. For HE MUST REIGN UNTIL HE HAS PUT ALL ENEMIMIES UNDER HIS FEET.
Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1994.
"The purpose of the angel is to bind Satan for a thousand years. Dragon indicates cruelty; serpent speaks of guile; Devil indicates him as the tempter of man; and Satan indicates he is the adversary of Christ and His people.
From verse 2–7 there are six mentions of 1000 years. If this number is symbolic, of what is it a symbol?
It cannot mean that which is endless, because the Greek language, as well as the Hebrew, has ample means to convey endlessness without ambiguity.
Thrown into the abyss, Satan is incarcerated, so that he is unable to deceive the nations for the length of that period, namely, the Millennium.
The sealing is for security, as elsewhere in Scripture. He is adequately curbed and restrained. What a boon to mankind is this! Deception has characterized Satan from Genesis 3 to the time now under consideration (cf. II Cor 4:3, 4).
In God’s purpose Satan will be loosed a little after the allotted time.
Why? Simply, God would reveal to us that he has not changed his nature, and that man still is susceptible to his wiles and stratagems. The result of the loosing is indicated in verses 7–8.
B. The Resurrection and Reign of the Saints. 20:4–6.
4. What was seen in 11:15 by way of anticipation is here realized. It is understood that Christ will sit on His throne and reign as the legitimate Son of David, and that is clearly stated in the last clauses of this verse. Who are the occupants of the thrones?
From the combined testimony of Scripture, they will be New Testament saints (cf. I Cor 6:2) who reign as the Queen of the King. Too, there will be Old Testament saints who will rule as viceregents of the King and Queen (cf. Deut 28:1, 13; Mt 19:28).
The martyred through the Tribulation Period, and those who resisted the idolatry worship of the beast, will also reign.
These will come to life (only a literal, not spiritual, resurrection will meet the demands of the context, in which individuals have been beheaded) and reign with Christ for the Millennium.
5. The rest of the dead do not experience resurrection until the thousand years were finished.
Thus, it is pointless and baseless to speak of a general resurrection in order to avoid the intervening period of 1000 years, as amillennialists do.
The order of the resurrection can be gleaned from these Scriptures: I Corinthians 15:23–24; Revelation 20:4–6; Daniel 12:1–3; and Luke 20:34–36.
The word first is found in verses 5 and 6. If this means there is but one resurrection, words are emptied of meaning.
There are definite stages in the first resurrection; the chief one is Christ Himself (cf. I Cor 15:20).
6. Blessed and holy are all who have part in the first resurrection, i.e., of the righteous. Blessed tells of their condition; holy speaks of their character.
They are priests and kings (cf. 1:6; I Pet 2:5), exactly as Christ combines the two offices (cf. Zech 6:13). The reign with Christ, prophesied in Old and New Testament alike, will endure a thousand years.
Over these righteous ones the second death (the lake of fire, vs. 14) has no sway; it holds no terror for them through the all sufficient work of the Saviour.
Rev 20:4. And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Daniel 12:1, 2, 3. "At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
Luke 20: 34, 36. And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35"But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage.
Jerry Falwell, executive editor; Edward E. Hinson and Michael Kroll Woodrow, general editors, KJV Bible commentary [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1994.
Justme quote.
Can you see the biblical sequence of events yet? Whether fire comes down from heaven to kill off some wicked in the year 2098 really doesn't matter does it?
My reply.
There are very good and sound reasons to have the timing right because when the abomination sits where he ought not, and folk get all the sequencing of events mixed up, Satan will confuse and confound them.
It really does matter about the sequence, where fire comes down he will mimic this.
2 Corinthians 11: 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an ANGEL OF LIGHT.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
These evil angels are going to be walking around down here with us, and the only thing we will have is our wisdom through faith.
Daniel 7:25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and THINK TO CHANGE TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
We are going to be handed over to him and to his fallen angels. It is going to be scary. I’m sorry but that’s the way it is going to be
We are going to desperately need the power of the Holy Spirit.
Rev 13:13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles.
These folk that are deluded are going to hammer God’s people and the sad thing is they think that they are on the side of right.
Matt 24: 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
If we know the timing it is a strong incentive and a builder of faith to understand that we only have to get through the 1335 days that Daniel spoke of to receive our blessing.
Daniel 12:11. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Justme, quote.
"The wicked are dealt with, so be it. Whether there is a white horse heading for Armaggedon changes nothing, Rev 20 and 1 Thess 4 lay out the sequence of events. I used the year 2099, but you can use any year you want, the sequence has to remain the same.
If not, why not?"
My reply.
When you say.
quote. "The wicked are dealt with, so be it. Whether there is a white horse heading for Armageddon changes nothing,"
It does change things. If Satan "seeks to change the times" he can bring forward a fake battle of Armageddon and those folk who are confused about the time sequence will find themselves deceived and fighting at Armageddon on the WRONG SIDE!
Yes I agree that 1 Thessalonians 4 does lay out a short sequence but it is at they end, after the decision of what side we are on during the tribulation is made.
It is going to happen too late, remember what happens before the second coming takes place?
He will change times and laws.
Rev 17: 8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and THEY THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH SHALL WONDER, whose names WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Daniel 12:21. And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Daniel 11: 34. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
I am sorry to disagree with you on this Justme, but to me the Timing is very important.
All the tricks Satan uses will confuse those who do not understand the timing of events and there duration periods and the trap of deception will shut on them suddenly.
I know this much, strong faith does not like surprises it can shake it and test it and strengthen, it can cause weak faith to crumble because of it or grow.
We may not agree on everything but we can beg to differ.
Or it could be that we agree on more than we both realise, I sincerely hope so.
Maranatha.
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