Justme said:
Hi PC,
He was to 'sleep'. He was to rise for inheritance. He was to rise at the time of the great tribulation. The great tribulation is immedieately before the parousia.
The reign with Christ is over at the parousia so Daniel Daniel can't be in that.
Where's Daniel?
Justme
Hi J.
"parousia?"
“Where is Daniel?”
For the Bible answer. See Daniel 12:13.
We were discussing the abomination of desolation, the second advent, Matthew 24. Mark 13, Luke 21. Rev 19: 20; 1 Thessalonians 4: 15, 16, the judgement and Linda8 was discussing “two resurrections” that she mistakenly thought would occur if we read Rev 20: 9, literally, and as a consequence, because she believed, incorrectly that there would a second resurrection later in Rev 20: 11,12,13, 14,15, and thought that that would make “two resurrections” which has been proven incorrect with the Bible.
She then wrongly applied the argument of the “two resurrections” mistakenly to me and argued against it! The idea of which, I have never ever assumed or supported!
Justme. You said.
“He was to 'sleep'. He was to rise for inheritance. He was to rise at the time of the great tribulation. The great tribulation is immedieately before the parousia.
The reign with Christ is over at the parousia so Daniel Daniel can't be in that.”
My reply.
The word “parousia,” where is it in the Bible?
Let’s stick with the Bible only please, and call the “millennium” the “millennium,” or the “1000 years.”
Unless you can substantiate the word “parousia” from Bible texts, word for word, I will have to dismiss it as pure folly.
You ask “Where is Daniel?”
Read on and the Bible will let you know.
1. How can we fix the “time of trouble?”
Very easily, quote. “AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED,”
What occurs at “the time of trouble?” The Bibles says God’s people are delivered. Bible quote “EVERYONE that shall be FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.”
3. Are any of the wicked found in the book of life?
Bible answer says only those “thy people,” “found written in the book.”
Daniel 12:1. And AT THAT TIME shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of THY PEOPLE: and THERE SHALL BE A TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: AND AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERYONE one that shall be FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.
2. Is there a relationship with the “tribulation” and the “time of trouble?”
Yes, only God’s people are delivered “at that time.”
Revelation 7: 14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY which CAME OUT OF THR GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
3. To whom are the robes given and where are they?
They are the Saints in Heaven receiving the blessing at the wedding, having BEEN RESCUED.
Rev 19:8. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for THE FINE LINEN is the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SAINTS. 9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.
What are they getting ready for? Armageddon.
They are going to deal with the unrighteous, living back on Earth, who were not “caught up with the righteous dead, AT His second coming.
Remember only those “in Christ” were risen. At HIS second coming written in the book of life.
1 Thessalonians 4: 16. For the LORD HIMSELF shall DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and THE DEAD ON CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST: 17THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, TO MEET the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
So all the righteous dead are raised along with the living righteous caught up TOGETHER.
Here’s what happens to the wicked that were left behind on Earth, and who were not part of the first resurrection of life during the tribulation.
Rev 19: 14. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19: 17. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19: 20.And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And THE REMNANT were SLAIN WITHT THE SWORD of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Have I forgotten anybody? No. The righteous are raised and ALL the wicked are dead, and they will remain dead for a thousand years!
Rev 20: 1, 2, 3, 4 Satan is bound a 1000 years.
When will Satan and the wicked dead rise?
Rev 20” 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
The righteous are a part of the resurrection of life.
Rev 20: This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The unrighteous people are a part of the resurrection of damnation.
After the 1000 years all the wicked dead are raised to be burned to death.
Rev 20: 7.And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
You ask where is Daniel?
I think the answer to that question will become obvious at the second advent when Daniel is raised as a part of the righteous dead and “we who are alive will be caught up with them together.”
Rev 20:7. And when the THOUSAND YEARS ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and FIRE came down from God out of heaven, and DEVOURED THEM.
ONE RESURRECTION of damnation!
The BIBLE says that they are “DEVOURED” by fire from God in verse 9. We all have to acknowledge that very Clear fact!
Rev20: 9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and FIRE came down from God out of heaven, and DEVOURED THEM.
So the question is how do we read the following to be in harmony with verse 9 that has them already dead?
Without seeming to make the BIBLE contradict itself?
We can’t refute Rev 20: 9. It is there in black and white, and it has to be accepted and dealt with.
John sees HIS throne with HIM on it. It clearly states “from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away.” The Earth IS NOW GONE, because in the next verse we read these words. “There was found no place for them.” We MUST understand that there is nothing left of the Earth or it’s surrounds.
Earlier in Rev 20: 9.we read that they were gathered at Gog and Magog.
Where they were destroyed by fire.
So what we have, is nothing of Earth left or remains it is Gone and the next verses must be a record of the events that have TAKEN place BEFORE the World was gone!
Bible.20 11.” Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.”
Knowing that the Earth and it’s surrounding heavens are no longer here and neither are the unrighteous, because they HAVE BEEN burned to nothing in verse 9.
I have to ask the next question IN THE PAST TENSE, and read the next verses as being a record of what happened before and how they were judged before their destruction by fire.
THERE CONNOT BE TWO RESURRECTIONS FOR THE WICKED after reading their fate in verse 9.
Question? How WERE the unrighteous JUDGED BEFORE they were devoured by fire?
Bible answer. 12. “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.”
The book of life was there open, to see the fact that the wicked were NOT written in that book.
Question? From where did all the dead come from that were destroyed by fire in verse 9?
Knowing the Earth is now gone, this next verse must be an enlargement of what TOOK place.
Bible answer 13. “The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.”
So NOW I am told and can see how the fairness of God’s judgements is to be carried out and how the process will be laid out for us all to see and to be able to appreciate His absolute honesty in judging everyone.
My next question is to ask about Hades and the second death and where it went?
Bible answer. 14. “Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
I also wanted to know why the wicked were destroyed by fire in verse 9 along with Satan in verse 10, so I asked the next question.
Question? So were all those that died by fire after the thousand years, in verse nine not found in the book of life? I received the answer that anyone NOT in the book of life “was cast into the lake of fire.”
Bible answer. 15. “And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.”
I read the Bible that way so I can include Rev 20: 9 with the following verses 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. Without any problems at all with the Bible seeming to clash with itself or having to ignore the clear destruction of the wicked in verse 9 to make it all fit.
There are NO “two resurrections,” of the wicked and I have never ever implied that at all, because the Bible says there is only one resurrection for the wicked after the thousand years.
I have never ever said that the "wicked were to be resurrected again, twice to face the Great WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT in Rev 20 12 – 14," because it isn’t stated in the Bible.
But we have been over this before. Justme.
Maranatha,
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