Abiogenesis and Evolution

[JonFromMinnesota]

Yup.

The more He does for us, the more we want.

Why did you stop at Parkinson's?

Why not poison ivy? diaper rash? STDs? stomach aches? drunken stupors?

I just think it's a bit insulting to those who have suffered in unimaginable ways and you rationalize it with "Mysterious ways" but if something good happens "God is great". It just too easily rationalizes the suffering of other people. I don't accept that world view.

 

[bhsmte]

I just think it's a bit insulting to those who have suffered in unimaginable ways and you rationalize it with "Mysterious ways" but if something good happens "God is great". It just too easily rationalizes the suffering of other people. I don't accept that world view.

I would get used to it.

With some Christians, they have a great ability to identify anything good with the will of God and then when bad things happen, all of a sudden you get; "who can figure out the will of God"?

 

[malvina]

Wrong: http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/

In actual fact that was spoken by my husband describing his own experience on the battle-field, nothing to do with fox-holes. He said,
no-one remains an atheist there they all come back Christians

 

[bhsmte]

In actual fact that was spoken by my husband describing his own experience on the battle-field, nothing to do with fox-holes. He said,
no-one remains an atheist there they all come back Christians

He can speak for everybody?

Amazing!

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

In actual fact that was spoken by my husband describing his own experience on the battle-field, nothing to do with fox-holes. He said,
no-one remains an atheist there they all come back Christians

The people on that link would disagree with you. Also, this is an argument from personal experience fallacy.

My cousin served in Iraq and is atheist. Does that mean everyone comes back atheist!?

 

[bhsmte]

The people on that link would disagree with you. Also, this is an argument from personal experience fallacy.

My cousin served in Iraq and is atheist. Does that mean everyone comes back atheist!?

Well, don't you know, personal experience applies to all?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Well, don't you know, personal experience applies to all?

My Dad taught me to play hockey when I was a kid, therefore all dad's must teach their kids to play hockey. This makes hockey the one true sport.

Or maybe it's because of where I was born. Who knows?

 

[bhsmte]

My Dad taught me to play hockey when I was a kid, therefore all dad's must teach their kids to play hockey. This makes hockey the one true sport.

Or maybe it's because of where I was born. Who knows?

Well, hockey is indeed my favorite sport. With that, I don't expect it to be the same for everyone.

 

[AV1611VET]

I just think it's a bit insulting to those who have suffered in unimaginable ways and you rationalize it with "Mysterious ways" but if something good happens "God is great". It just too easily rationalizes the suffering of other people. I don't accept that world view.

Do you think it equally insulting when martyrs for Christ, whom God says ...

Hebrews 11:35b ... and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 ( Of whom the world was not worthy: ) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

... are rationalized that they died for something they knew wasn't so?

 

[crjmurray]

Yup.

The more He does for us, the more we want.

Why did you stop at Parkinson's?

Why not poison ivy? diaper rash? STDs? stomach aches? drunken stupors?

Well, why not?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, hockey is indeed my favorite sport. With that, I don't expect it to be the same for everyone.

Speaking of the same for everyone ...

I've said this before, and I'll say it again:

There are no atheists in Hell.

How does that make you feel?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, why not?

Scientists today remind me of the Israelites in the book of Exodus.

After God parted the Red Sea for them, what did they do the first time something went sour?

They started complaining.

And the more God did for them, the more they complained.

The final straw was the Golden Calf incident.

After that, they started dying.

 

[whois]

I just think it's a bit insulting to those who have suffered in unimaginable ways and you rationalize it with "Mysterious ways" but if something good happens "God is great". It just too easily rationalizes the suffering of other people. I don't accept that world view.

i must point out again, this effect IS NOT COMMON, but it IS consistent.
a very small percentage of people experience this effect, but it's also widespread, all across the globe.
i initially raised this issue in response to a request for scientific evidence for faith.
personally i find it a curious property of the brain, and if it can act in concert with certain aspects of evolution, it can have enormous consequences for human evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

Speaking of the same for everyone ...

I've said this before, and I'll say it again:

There are no atheists in Hell.

How does that make you feel?

Doesn't do much for me, since I don't believe hell exists.

 

[AV1611VET]

Doesn't do much for me, since I don't believe hell exists.

There are no unbelievers in Hell either.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Scientists today remind me of the Israelites in the book of Exodus.

After God parted the Red Sea for them, what did they do the first time something went sour?

They started complaining.

And the more God did for them, the more they complained.

The final straw was the Golden Calf incident.

After that, they started dying.

Israeli archaeology has already concluded that the events in the book of Exodus never happened.
They take it more of a story and message of "exile is not the end and land can be reconquered"

This thread has gone completely off the rails.

 

[AV1611VET]

Israeli archaeology has already concluded that the events in the book of Exodus never happened.

I probably would too if I was a 65% secular nation, surrounded on every side by enemies.

 

[Jobar]

I think that Loudmouth's original question should be addressed specifically and solely to deists, or at least those who hold a deistic view on the creation of life. Those who deny evolution due to their fundamentalist religious stance aren't willing to accept that "all the life and species we see today evolved through natural processes", even for the sake of argument.

My own objection to a deistic creation of life is that, like Laplace, we have "no need for that hypothesis." Given the results of the classic Miller-Urey experiment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment) and many similar ones, it appears that having a supernatural creator for life is unparsimonious- it adds an unnecessary entity of explanation, and is thus pared away by Occam's Razor:

(Substitute "Life" for "The Universe", there.)

In fact that little .gif is my own answer to any form of the Cosmological Argument.

 

[malvina]

He can speak for everybody?

Amazing!

That was his own experience of his men that he led - he knew them well. I was amazed to read your quote and see
the amount of trouble Atheists have gone to - to discount that well known saying. It must have struck a very raw nerve

 

[USincognito]

A single cell organism might be a form of living matter, but it wouldn't constitute life.

Huh???

However, since the reproductive process of mammals requires the fusion of two cells, then I guess Richard Dawkins is just as even more ignorant than he claims Americans are who believe man originated from a single set of procreators.

Why the focus on mammals? All animals and plants reproduce sexually except for a few examples.

The rest of this sentence is gibberish.