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Excuse me, but the OP says "people" --- not "atheists".Before that, the thread stuck to atheists' reasons for not being Christians.
Just to put my 2¢ in here, Creationism should not be taught in the public school system.
This is because I don't believe our teachers are qualified to teach it the way it should be taught.
Namely, they should stick to creationism being an act of history, not science.
Creationism should be taught in the church, not the schools.
And by the same token, I don't think evolution should be taught at all, anywhere.
No --- that's not true.People around here say that the number one reason people aren't christians is because of christians themselves. As in...the really religious ones who go around trying to force it on people and preaching over people like there's no tomorrow...Is it true? I'm curious.
John 1:12-13 said:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
What I would be afraid of, JP, is a school getting a teacher that doesn't believe in a literal Genesis 1.So, keep Creationism in church and teach what science in schools in place of evolution?
Well, for the record, an atheist has determined in his heart (not his head) that God doesn't exist; and God has turned him over to what's called a 'reprobate mind' --- a form of "giving up on him".Read the thread title:
A question for athiests [sic]
Why is this a national level debate? Why not let us backwoods rednecks teach our kids what we want in out local schools.
Why does something so "obvious" have to be force taught?
We are not against teaching English and Mathematics and History (as long as it sticks to the facts) and Biology and even Earth Science (to a point).
Correction: Some Christians are not against science as long as it does not contradict their contra-factual dogmas. When dogma, (e.g. talking snakes, magical trees, and six day creation) is refuted, they grab a cup from their electric coffee maker, sit down at their computers and post nonsense on the internet.Christians are not against science, just religion pretending to be science.
Being a Christian myself, I can understand what's it like to "fit in in their shoes and why some Christians lose trust in each other and give up Christianity. We have a Jesus Christ who loves you unconditionally, who loves you for who you are, your high level of intelligence, or low level of intelligence. Jesus loves everyone across the board and because of sin that began with Adam and Eve, atheism can result. My perfect health is evidence of God's constant healing knowing that disease is spiritually demonic. I know that old age disease is incurable because God made it happen as punishment, but at the same time, as the next phase to life after death by accepting Jesus Christ who died for us. God brought crisis or disease in our lives and if you want proof then ask and you shall receive supernatural healing. Benny Hin's world miracle crusades cannot be stopped because you have to experience it to believe God's healing.
*butts in* Question: how are they obvious? A = 1/2 b*h is obvious, but Euler's identity? Hmm...ε^(ιθ) = cos θ + ι sin θ is obvious. So is ε^( ιπ+1 = 0. But they aren't obvious until you understand them. Then they are not only obvious, but necessarily true.
I'd be thankful for it. I'd hate to have the kind of internal conflict a teacher who was a Biblical literalist would have while attempting to teach science.What I would be afraid of, JP, is a school getting a teacher that doesn't believe in a literal Genesis 1.
So how does this reconcile with atheists who used to be Christians actively and earnestly seeking God? I wouldn't be an atheist today if God had revealed Himself to me when I was a Christian. I spent 14 years of my life looking for Him and determined in my heart that God doesn't exist after I figured out for sure that He wasn't there.Well, for the record, an atheist has determined in his heart (not his head) that God doesn't exist; and God has turned him over to what's called a 'reprobate mind' --- a form of "giving up on him".
If you were a Christian at one time, you would not have been seeking God; you would have found Him, and realized He was never "lost" --- you were.So how does this reconcile with atheists who used to be Christians actively and earnestly seeking God?
Did your "taste buds" change?Hebrews 6:4-5 said:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
AV you are cracking me up. lolWhat made you turn your back on all of this?Did your "taste buds" change?
Ooh! Is this the good old "not a real Christian" argument?If you were a Christian at one time, you would not have been seeking God; you would have found Him, and realized He was never "lost" --- you were.
For your answer, see:What made you turn your back on all of this?Did your "taste buds" change?
I think I already answered your question. And don't even presume to tell me what I did and didn't experience, how earnest I was or wasn't, and whether or not I did or didn't really want a relationship with God at the time.I wouldn't be an atheist today if God had revealed Himself to me when I was a Christian. I spent 14 years of my life looking for Him and determined in my heart that God doesn't exist after I figured out for sure that He wasn't there.
I'd be thankful for it. I'd hate to have the kind of internal conflict a teacher who was a Biblical literalist would have while attempting to teach science.
So how does this reconcile with atheists who used to be Christians actively and earnestly seeking God? I wouldn't be an atheist today if God had revealed Himself to me when I was a Christian. I spent 14 years of my life looking for Him and determined in my heart that God doesn't exist after I figured out for sure that He wasn't there.
I didn't say that. Not once did I say that I demanded God manifest Himself to me. I said I sought Him. I studied, prayed, fellowshipped with other believers, took classes, worked in the church...but never felt God's presence or fulfillment from the Holy Spirit. I wasn't asking for physical evidence. I was asking for spiritual guidance, inner peace, a sense of knowing at least some part of a greater truth.wow....you dismissed God because you demanded God to show himself to you and He didn't?
Thanks for the insightful evaluation. I gave God a big part of my life. The least He could have done was step up and do what He promised me in the New Testament.The reason God hasn't "shown" Himself to you is YOUR fault, not God's.
"If you are unhappy with your current state of spiritual hunger; [...] this is definitely the book for you."Check out Downpour (I will buy this book for you, if you will read it).
Never my intent. Like I said, if I felt I would get anything at all out of the books you suggest, I'd be all for it. I just don't have any "atheist books" for you to read. I don't feel that I need to sway your beliefs; I'm just stating mine and trying to understand why you believe the way you do.Or just belittle me and maybe God will try to contact you thru someone else later on....sometimes God is too obvious for the rational mind to pick up on it.
I love the idea, but like I said, I have nothing to offer in the exchange.Either way, it is a win-win situation. Ready to step up to the mic? I will for God anytime, anywhere.
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