A question for athiests

[Wiccan_Child]

*grabs popcorn*

 

[Ayersy]

Back on topic....to answer the OP; No....but yes.

I don't believe in a god or gods because I thought long and hard about things, had a look at the world, did a bit of research, and realised that I just couldn't believe in god, it is just too absurd to me. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs however, so I don't judge anyone who is religious. It wasn't really affected by christians...Until a while after I realised I was an atheist, then I started to get really annoyed by alot of the crap being spewed from their mouths.

Some of the posts on here are examples of the kind of things I detest. No reason, no logic, just hostility to those who oppose their views. That is what alot of atheists get annoyed with, not theists in general.

 

[jpcedotal]

Step 1: Acknowledge u have a problem.

Christians know that worshiping in God is a belief, Naturalists, atheist and agnostics think worshiping nature is a science.

Oh wait...is that hostility or just the truth?

 

[CoderHead]

Step 1: Acknowledge u have a problem.

Christians know that worshiping in God is a belief, Naturalists, atheist and agnostics think worshiping nature is a science.

You've got a real loose interpretation of "worship." I don't worship science. I don't worship anything, or anyone. That would be a waste of my time, I just live my life.

And as for "step 1," are you saying that worshiping God is a problem you've already acknowledged?

 

[Alunyel]

Step 1: Acknowledge u have a problem.

Christians know that worshiping in God is a belief, Naturalists, atheist and agnostics think worshiping nature is a science.

Oh wait...is that hostility or just the truth?

That's nonsense.


Agnostics don't worship anything, and atheists simply don't believe in a diety, so they don't have anything to worship.

I consider myself a free thinker, and I don't worship anything.

• noun 1 the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity. 2 religious rites and ceremonies.

Stop trying to reduce atheism to the level of your religion.

 

[Ayersy]

Step 1: Acknowledge u have a problem.

Christians know that worshiping in God is a belief, Naturalists, atheist and agnostics think worshiping nature is a science.

Oh wait...is that hostility or just the truth?

I have many problems, I ain't getting into my flaws with you, however.

I wouldn't claim that sentence is hostility, but it certainly ain't the truth. I don't worship anything, especially not nature. Nature can suck alot of the time, there are poisonous, hurty things.

 

[AV1611VET]

I consider myself a free thinker, and I don't worship anything.

I usually think of this passage when I encounter someone who thinks they're somehow exempt:

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship:

 

[CoderHead]

I usually think of this passage when I encounter someone who thinks they're somehow exempt:

There needs to be a preface to that passage that says, "Assuming, of course, that you actually do worship something..."

 

[Gracchus]

*butts in* Question: how are they obvious? A = 1/2 b*h is obvious, but Euler's identity? Hmm...

When you have seen it formally proven two or three different ways, it's obvious.

 

[CoderHead]

Hey, no argument here. If a = b and b = c, then a = c wasn't obvious until someone proved it to me.

See how I kick it elementary school?

 

[bigbadwilf]

Doing my bit to drag the thread back onto the rails

People around here say that the number one reason people aren't christians is because of christians themselves. As in...the really religious ones who go around trying to force it on people and preaching over people like there's no tomorrow...Is it true? I'm curious.

I have to confess that this doesn't apply to me, my lack of faith is due more to the contradictions (both within themselves internally and with observable reality) in every holy book that I've ever looked at.

And yes, those christians who either tell me what I believe without knowing the first thing about me or completely ignore what a thread was supposed to be about aren't really the best advertisment for their faith whereas those who can answer questions reasonably and thoughtfully (like CraigBaugher did in post 42) are.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have to confess that this doesn't apply to me, my lack of faith is due more to the contradictions (both within themselves internally and with observable reality) in every holy book that I've ever looked at.

I'll bet that Wave-Particle Contradiction doesn't bother you though, does it?

Oh, wait --- that's Wave-Particle Paradox --- sorry.

The Bible doesn't have any paradoxes though, does it?

Just contradictions?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

When you have seen it formally proven two or three different ways, it's obvious.

If someone had to prove it to you, it's not exactly obvious . But I don't want to be the one who pushes this off-topic train completely off the tracks!

Step 1: Acknowledge u have a problem.

Christians know that worshiping in God is a belief, Naturalists, atheist and agnostics think worshiping nature is a science.

Oh wait...is that hostility or just the truth?

Hostility: you presume that naturalists, atheists, and agnostics are worshipping nature, which as you well know isn't true.

You might want to take your own advice: acknowledge you have a problem....

 

[AV1611VET]

Hostility: you presume that naturalists, atheists, and agnostics are worshipping nature, which as you well know isn't true.

You guys may not actively and consciously worship nature in a form of structured liturgy, but by supplanting God on the throne, God says you replace Him with idols.

 

[CoderHead]

by supplanting God on the throne, God says you replace Him with idols.

OK, but we don't believe in God. So...?

 

[bigbadwilf]

Wave-Particle Contradiction doesn't bother you though, does it?

Oh, wait --- that's Wave-Particle Paradox --- sorry.

The Bible doesn't have any paradoxes though, does it?

Just contradictions?

Careful AV, that's getting dangerously close to being science, and we all know that you don't believe in science, even when you're quite happily using the products of science.

Wave-Particle duality is a bit complicated, but basically it can be summed up as "sometimes electrons (and other matter) behaves as a particle and sometimes it behaves as a wave". I could go on, but I'm not one for derailing other people's threads...

 

[AV1611VET]

OK, but we don't believe in God. So...?

I don't believe I'm a Homo sapiens. So...?

 

[Suplux]

You guys may not actively and consciously worship nature in a form of structured liturgy, but by supplanting God on the throne, God says you replace Him with idols.

Well I appreciate you clearing that up for us. I wasn't aware that I worshiped idols but this logically valid and logically sound argument really made me understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

First, for me to believe that, you'd have to prove that god exists.

I thought 'proof' was for mathematics and alcohol?

Can you 'prove' the Mariana Trench exists?

 

[Suplux]

First off, my apologies. I edited my post while you were posting so there is a little discrepancy. I don't disagree with my original post, just wanted to change it up a little. Anyways, I understand your quote is still valid.

I suppose I could exchange the word proof for decent evidence. Still none so far as I'm concerned. Anyways, burden of proof is always on the one who asserts the claim. Therefore, for your argument to have any validity it's up to you to prove the existence of god (which was an unstated premise/assumption in your argument). Seeing as you haven't done that, your argument is invalid.

And, beyond all the "technical talk", as coderhead said earlier, we don't believe in god anyways. So I guess it's academic.