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A question about Job.

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Yes the face....I know it.

I don't want to be like Moses because he did not make it....he did not fulfill what God wanted for him even though he was blessed in many things. Nearly getting there is not enough...I want to thrill my Fathers heart.
 
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Yes the face....I know it.

I don't want to be like Moses because he did not make it....he did not fulfill what God wanted for him even though he was blessed in many things. Nearly getting there is not enough...I want to thrill my Fathers heart.

Dear heart, Moses DID "get there". Wasn't he on the Mount of Transfiguration talking with Jesus? Moses wasn't disgraced. He was beloved of the Lord, mistakes n' all. So was David, HUGE mistakes n' all (he was the "apple of God's eye")

God is not holding a "measuring rod" up to us....the only One He's done that with is Jesus, and we are counted as righteous through Jesus for we are "in" Him. He LOVES you, daughter of the Most High. You are PRECIOUS to Him.
 
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Agree sister he was on the mount of Transfiguration which makes it worse. In the end, he let God down. God had chosen him and he let his flesh get in the way, the flesh that struck the rock and killed a man. He reached a high plain and failed at the last. That is a great lesson for me as I have been in a high place and walking in holiness. Yes David and others fell including Peter but that is okay if they get up again.

If we are 'in' Him we walk in holiness and I do not have that witness anymore. I know He loves me but He will not be satisfied unless I am restored to my former walk. Thanks for your care sister.

ps Yes he was honoured by God and gained a great place in heaven but he still did not gain what God intended for him.

As Oswald Chambers said ' My utmost for His highest'.
 
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Bless yer heart......Moses AND God knew that Moses wasn't "perfect"...same with David. Same with us. In the end, Moses was in a place of glory and that is why he was with Jesus on the Mount of Configuration with Jesus and Elijah.....Listen carefully to these lyrics......we ALL fall down, and then we just get up, luv. And it is God Who strengthens us to get back up again.....for we have no strength of our own....

We Fall Down - Donnie McClurkin - YouTube
 
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Thanks for the link sister however it is not my theology. Not that we cannot sin. Of course we can and it is possible to the end of our lives to sin, but sinning and being forgiven falling down and getting up and so on...is not the way of holiness, the holiness where Job was and David and Moses and Isaiah etc.

We must expect to be able to walk without falling (Jude 23) though IF we do fall, as is always possible, not AS we fall which is the message of that song...when we fall......the IF should not happen...but sometimes there may be a fall.

The walk of holiness is His holiness and that is the only reason we can do it, is a walk where we have a clear conscious at all times when we are in this holy state, the state of perfection that our friends Job was in.

Moses did not get restored in the end but he was in a good position with God. That was not the best, the good is often the enemy of the best.
 
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Thanks for the link sister however it is not my theology. Not that we cannot sin. Of course we can and it is possible to the end of our lives to sin, but sinning and being forgiven falling down and getting up and so on...is not the way of holiness, the holiness where Job was and David and Moses and Isaiah etc.

We must expect to be able to walk without falling (Jude 23) though IF we do fall, as is always possible, not AS we fall which is the message of that song...when we fall......the IF should not happen...but sometimes there may be a fall.

The walk of holiness is His holiness and that is the only reason we can do it, is a walk where we have a clear conscious at all times when we are in this holy state, the state of perfection that our friends Job was in.

Moses did not get restored in the end but he was in a good position with God. That was not the best, the good is often the enemy of the best.

Our walk, dear sister, is with outstretched hands to each other....we NEED each other and that is one of the reasons we are here, to MINISTER to one another......to that weighed down brother over there shipwrecked and seemingly destroyed.....the man the robbers left for dead on the side of the road.....the desperate man who stole bread to feed his starving children...the scared to death mother who ran out of the house leaving her children behind because her husband was chasing her with a gun.....

any Christian brother or sister who in utter despair runs and hides from God and are convinced that God has condemned them beyond repair....

What is needed here? Grace. A place called grace. We ALL need it. I needed it this morning when i didn't feel like reading my Bible or praying. Or when i'm grumpy. THIS is the pivotal piece, however. It is KNOWING the grace and forgiveness of God ourselves so that we can extend that same grace to others. Because what do troubled and hurting hearts need? LOVE. God's love, and His grace. KNOWING that and extending it, is "holiness". (((hug)))

A place called grace - YouTube
 
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Our walk, dear sister, is with outstretched hands to each other....we NEED each other and that is one of the reasons we are here, to MINISTER to one another......to that weighed down brother over there shipwrecked and seemingly destroyed.....the man the robbers left for dead on the side of the road.....the desperate man who stole bread to feed his starving children...the scared to death mother who ran out of the house leaving her children behind because her husband was chasing her with a gun.....

any Christian brother or sister who in utter despair runs and hides from God and are convinced that God has condemned them beyond repair....

What is needed here? Grace. A place called grace. We ALL need it. I needed it this morning when i didn't feel like reading my Bible or praying. Or when i'm grumpy. THIS is the pivotal piece, however. It is KNOWING the grace and forgiveness of God ourselves so that we can extend that same grace to others. Because what do troubled and hurting hearts need? LOVE. God's love, and His grace. KNOWING that and extending it, is "holiness". (((hug)))

A place called grace - YouTube

Sister dear sister, I can't agree with you more... we need one another and there is grace when we fall and fail Him. The Father is always waiting for the prodigal son to return. The door is always open to us indeed.

But Job was not in that place. He was not hiding from God. He was seeking God and God was nowhere to be found. Job had known better days but the thing that he cared about the most had gone and it was not due to any falling on his part.

This book is not for those who are still weak because they have not learned how to walk by the Spirit as had Job.

This is a lesson when we have learned to crucify the flesh.

Normally when a man has fallen, he hides away and condemns himself. Job was not in that place.

I don't want to compare myself with Job though I have lost everything and am left alone, I am not hiding from God in shame. I am at His feet waiting for Him to return and restore me but am having days when the temptation is there to wonder why He has left me like this - even without three 'friends' to tell me I am wrong. I don't know if that is good or bad!

Yesterday was a bad day and self pity began to creep in but I am back on track today.

I am so glad to be talking to you though sis and be assured that all of our sufferings are not for nothing.
 
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Bless yer heart, i agree about Job...i was referring to Moses and David, and even Elijah got so depressed he wanted to die. God's grace was evident with all three of these servants of God, and with many more.....and His grace is evident with us. Reminds me of Jesus, with the woman caught in adultery and those who aimed to stone her. Jesus did something very interesting.
 
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The stories about the prophets, are often of them coming to a crisis and a time of them failing God. There are two occasions where this occurs, once when we have been depending on our own flesh to obey God and we fall flat on our faces.
The other one is the Job time and it is not as common. Not many get as far as Job.

The first is the time when we are up and down and have still not known the crucifixion of the flesh and all that is from ourselves so that all can be of God. We come to a point when we submit entirely to Him and not just some parts of us. At this point of crisis, we do consent to the crucifixion and like Isaiah have our mouths touched by the burning coal, we are made holy. The flesh is gone and we serve in the Spirit.

When we are in this state however, there sometimes comes a point when we do give in to temptation. Peter shows this very well in the NT after he had been baptised in the Spirit. Some like John Wesley think that all do fall at some point, but then are restored and walk again but this time more aware of spiritual warfare.

Job however is demonstrating a time when he does not sin (as he is walking in holiness) but the results of sin come upon him that is, God departs.

So though God is graceful and gives us plenty of opportunity to come to the first crisis, He is not going to wait forever for us to reach a point when we say 'no more sin!' In fact this is what He said to the woman taken in adultery 'sin no more' and I do not think He just meant 'don't commit adultery again'. We walk in one or the other the flesh or the Spirit.

God's blessing to you.
 
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Dear sister, as long as we are in the flesh, till we take our last breath, we will be as Paul said, struggling. It is in acknowledging our desperate NEED for Him that encompasses our "walk" with God and consequently our "praying without ceasing"...

"Struggling with Sin
13 "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." ~Romans 7:13-25
 
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Dear sister, as long as we are in the flesh, till we take our last breath, we will be as Paul said, struggling. It is in acknowledging our desperate NEED for Him that encompasses our "walk" with God and consequently our "praying without ceasing"...

"Struggling with Sin
13 "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." ~Romans 7:13-25
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Dear brinny, dear dear brinny,

I know that interpretation of Paul in Romans. It was my own understanding for many a long year. It seemed to match my own struggles, not just against sin but in not being able to abide in the presence of God, and this greatly upset me because I had known glimpses of the mountain top and nothing would satisfy me after that.

But it seemed by my own experience and what church preachers were saying, that this was what was to be my walk in Christ. I resigned myself to it bolstering myself up by other verses which were really only to apply to the spiritual state, and I was unknowingly walking by the strength of my flesh.

A day came when I had an encounter with Christ, and He opened up the way of holiness to me and showed me many things in scripture and one of them was that Paul was speaking here of a crisis he had come to, like the one I was now facing, where he had tried and tried to be the obedient disciple he dearly wanted to be, but had failed and now was crying out to God to help him.

And God did help him as he helped me by seeing that this was not the normal Christian walk but the abnormal one and when one is on that one, the flesh stays alive and one never gets that intimacy with God that one desires. Unfortunately, the other teaching remains the most popular one and men do not expect to be freed from sin like Christ promises us - to be free indeed.

It came to me when I cried out like Paul to be delivered from that stinking rotten flesh. He did it and like Paul I moved on to Romans 8. It has been a blessed walk.

Now brinny dear you might continue to disagree with me, but I can only ask you to wait until God starts revealing this way to you, and perhaps you will come back one day and read about it again.

I see you have asked me why Job is my favourite book.

It is because it has so much meaning for me in understanding the way of holiness and the dark night of the spirit which is a further step than the well known dark night of the soul. I can really empathise with Job.

There is so much in it that a lifetime of study will not reveal it all. I want to write a book on it one day.
 
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Dear brinny, dear dear brinny,

I know that interpretation of Paul in Romans. It was my own understanding for many a long year. It seemed to match my own struggles, not just against sin but in not being able to abide in the presence of God, and this greatly upset me because I had known glimpses of the mountain top and nothing would satisfy me after that.

But it seemed by my own experience and what church preaches were saying, that this was what was to be my walk in Christ. I resigned myself to it bolstering myself up by other verses which were really only to apply to the spiritual state, and I was unknowingly walking by the strength of my flesh.

A day came when I had an encounter with Christ, and He opened up the way of holiness to me and showed me many things in scripture and one of them was that Paul was speaking here of a crisis he had come to, like the one I was now facing, where he had tried and tried to be the obedient disciple he dearly wanted to be, but had failed and now was crying out to God to help him.

And God did help him as he helped me by seeing that this was not the normal Christian walk but the abnormal one and when one is on that one, the flesh stays alive and one never gets that intimacy with God that one desires. Unfortunately, the other teaching remains the most popular one and men do not expect to be freed from sin like Christ promises us - to be free indeed.

It came to me when I cried out like Paul to be delivered from that stinking rotten flesh. He did it and like Paul I moved on to Romans 8. It has been a blessed walk.

Now brinny dear you might continue to disagree with me, but I can only ask you to wait until God starts revealing this way to you, and perhaps you will come back one day and read about it again.

I see you have asked me why Job is my favourite book.

It is because it has so much meaning for me in understanding the way of holiness and the dark night of the spirit which is a further step than the well known dark night of the soul. I can really empathise with Job.

There is so much in that that a lifetime of study will not reveal it all. I want to write a book on it one day.

Aah, yes, one of the reasons i can relate to and am drawn to the book of Job.

I think in many ways, perhaps we are saying nearly the same thing about sin and the flesh. I do believe we are FREED from sin and that chains and bondage is smashed and demolished, and that He Who is IN us is MORE POWERFUL than he that walks about as a roaring lion seeking who he may devour....

I also know that i make mistakes and i become discouraged and that i have no strength of my own.....yet i am His daughter, and HE is HERE for me. One morning i was getting ready for work and sooooo hurried and stressed.....and He just stopped me and i could sense his smile as He chuckled at His silly daughter, and had me chuckling along with Him. He is a GOOD Abba, Father, and He is ALWAYS with me.......What He is teaching me now is forgiveness and mercy.....What HE is showing me is that both are deadly to the enemy, for it disarms him and he has no defense against it...

It aligns with this verse here:

"And above all things have fervent love among yourselves: for love shall cover a multitude of sins." ~I Peter 4:8

What i'm learning is that in learning to forgive others, God's grace kicks in and I recognize that God's grace is continually covering me with His love, so that i KNOW that i am forgiven, and thus i have peace and His joy. I KNOW that He HAS me. I can TRUST Him to guard my heart and mind and to bring anything and everything right TO Him. ALWAYS.

Our God is DELIGHTFUL, and delights in us. He's GOT us.

"The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.." ~Zephaniah 3:17
 
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Dear brinny

It is wonderful that we have been able to have some fellowship and some joint appreciation for the book of Job. I have enjoyed it even though we are on different paths.

I will keep on praying for you that you will come to a place where you cry out with Paul and turn completely from the battle with the flesh and know the victory which is ours, as the normal state walking as He walked and willing to bear the sufferings that He leaves over for us.

A place where you would not be satisfied with a Moses walk even if Moses was. Was God satisfied? I don't think so but He was as gracious as ever consented to it. His secondary will not His perfect will. If one loves God then it is what He desires that matters.

May you long for His perfect will in your life too and be made perfect. Thank you sister.

Gods blessings to you.
 
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Bless yer heart, thank you, and although the men of God are a blessing to learn from, i walk With God, my Father. It is HIM my eyes are upon and HE Who i long to bless and see smile. It's HIS arms i seek, and in His lap i crawl into when i'm weary and seek a hug from Him, reassurance, or i just gets tired and need His uninterrupted "presence"....

reminds me of what Jesus said to His disciples when the children came to Him....He said not to hinder them..

"And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein." ~Luke 18:15-17

It seems like God invites us, His children to crawl onto His lap, just like Jesus did.

Ever wondered why John was called the "disciple who Jesus loved"?
 
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Dear brinny

You know, what l love most about God is His holiness. He draws us to Him and welcomes us onto His knee and into the shelter of His wing, but as He does it we have to be purified so that we can be joined to Him rather than just be in His outer court, as sin cannot be in His intimate presence but the church in general is teaching a half gospel that the righteousness of Christ can cover us like a blanket when it is meant to be imparted to make us one in nature.

But this work is only done if we desire it more than life. I have been blessed in this discussion to know that even though l am devastated in grief at losing the presence, l have been given knowledge and understanding because of suffering many hard things like the suicide of my eldest son. It has made me more conscious of a few things l had forgotten and has made me see the glory of His righteousness once again.
 
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:) Here are some scriptures of comfort.

O thou afflicted, city, tossed with tempest and not comforted, Behold I build your jewels with fair colors. Sapphires for a foundation. Rubies for towers, walls and doors with turquoise and other beautiful jewels.

And your children will be taught by the Lord.

God is building something beautiful in us as we pass through tempest and affliction. We are being taught, while we may not realise it. A school like Elijah or Joseph or Job went through.

There are those words of grace, as Paul spoke of, that build us up and keep us established, which will build you up and remind you of your inheritance. The Greek word for "build" there "oikodomeo", "to build a house." Words of Spirit , as our heavenly house is being built.

Nothing can destroy this building, no fire, no tornado, no earthquake. It's built on Jesus, the builder and maker.
 
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