A new CF, an old vision (4)

[ContentInHim]

Actually, I don't totally disagree with that. I just probably disagree with him about what exactly is a sin and what isn't... To me, a sin is when someone purposefully harms another person. And I don't tolerate harming others. Tolerance isn't about accepting everything.

You have precisely stated the law of WICCA. Congratulations!

God clearly describes sin and it's not what you've written above.

 

[RedTulipMom]

The question is what will the faith icons mean anyway? They won't be used for posting purposes. All threads will be open to all members. What difference will the Icon make?

good question..i guess they wont matter much will they?? lol...

 

[Miracle Storm]

Agendas of polluting minds?

How about giving people all the various viewpoints, and let them make up their own minds, based on the input from all?

This was a Christian Forum Bear, not a forum to PROMOTE the "others"

Oh, I get it. You want them to have access to no viewpoints but one, and make life decisions based on just the one, and be completely isolated and insulated from all other viewpoints. Sorry I didn't see it before. It makes perfect sense now.

Bear your sarcastic assumptions are ridiculous.
You a deconvert from Christianity has your own agenda on this board and it certainly is not to "Unite all Christians as One Body" or to learn anything about Christianity, but to share your own disbelief and the reasons why. Anyone who has read your posts in GA know this.
I don't care who they get different view points from. As long as they are not being LIED to.
Which is GOING to happen. I am not as concerned as the athiest or other religions that are open about who they are as I am about those claiming to be Christian, but who are leading people astray. Just as a wiccan can now claim to be a Christain wiccan and we can't argue that position. Much confusion will be placed in young ones minds. Young ones in age and young ones in Christ.

 

[Glass*Soul]

Someone may have already linked this in thread 3, but I've given up trying to catch up at this point.

Anyway, here's a link to a good thread in WWMC that's pertinent to the discussion here: http://www.christianforums.com/t5664628

We need seebs to come back here. IMHO.

 

[RedTulipMom]

now that i think of it..the only two faith icons that would be helpful would be Christian or non-christian...just so we know who we are talking to ..ya know?

 

[*Starlight*]

You have precisely stated the law of WICCA. Congratulations!

God clearly describes sin and it's not what you've written above.

Well, I'm not a Wiccan, but Wicca is quite cool.

I actually believe that sin is something that's against love. Which includes hurting others, physically or emotionally. Well, I believe that sin always causes harm, that's why I don't believe that something's a sin when it doesn't cause harm, and instead results in something good.

 

[JimfromOhio]

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This was a Christian Forum Bear, not a forum to PROMOTE the "others"

Bear your sarcastic assumptions are ridiculous.
You a deconvert from Christianity has your own agenda on this board and it certainly is not to "Unite all Christians as One Body" or to learn anything about Christianity, but to share your own disbelief and the reasons why. Anyone who has read your posts in GA know this.
I don't care who they get different view points from. As long as they are not being LIED to.
Which is GOING to happen. I am not as concerned as the athiest or other religions that are open about who they are as I am about those claiming to be Christian, but who are leading people astray. Just as a wiccan can now claim to be a Christain wiccan and we can't argue that position. Much confusion will be placed in young ones minds. Young ones in age and young ones in Christ.

People are confused. Ewrin is not "promoting", he is inviting and opening the doors.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

You have precisely stated the law of WICCA. Congratulations!

God clearly describes sin and it's not what you've written above.

its satanism more specifically. do what you will but dont infringe on another persons right to do what THEY will. cosy aint it. doesnt make you a satanist starjewel. it means youre misinterpreting the CHRISTIAN views of love and tolerance. if yer beliefs actually ARE the central tenets of satanism, what does that tell ya.

 

[Leanna]

I enjoy reading the other thread that Erwin started to update. He is a strong man, holding close to his convictions. It is true when a leader makes a radical decision many will object.... it always happens in Christian ministry..... its at times like these I do not miss being a pastor's wife. Ahh, but I digress. I think he is doing a great job and has my support.

 

[ScottishJohn]

you'd be surprised how many ppl have this as their only link with other christians. either theyve been hurt by ppl in church, or theyre ill or live somewhere remote. you'd be surprised.

Well, they shouldn't fear, whatever their situation is. Maybe a chance to make up with those people in those churches.

the thing is, from what ive been readin he hasnt been here for a year or so. its his website so in theory he can decide to make it a fanfic site for Buffy if he wants. but that doesnt mean ppl arnt affected. ppl who signed up in good faith - forgive the pun - thinkin this was just somewhere they could come for fellowship and support. why the TOTAL change? why not find some middle ground? why the theatrics and deadlines and hints?

To be fair I think we still are in the middle ground. When you look at the breadth of opinions on how this site could be run, what is being done is less radical than some would like. As for those who signed up, for the first time ever they will be able to take ownership of this site in a real and meaningful way. And the way that the inital post describes things seems to suggest that different areas of the site could work in different ways, which I think is an excellent idea for a site which is so big, and is looked to to fulfill so many different and sometimes competing needs. I don't think the post was particularly theatrical, deadlines give us something to look to which I appreciate. When they shut politics a month or so ago, there was (and still is) no indication of whether it is being addressed or has just been trashed. It is a form of accountability. Hints, well the truth may be that Erwin himself is not fully sure how the full details of everything will pan out. I think he's given us a good start. He gave us some warning, and he is popping in now and again to give us more idea of what he is doing. I still think lending our support and waiting to see what happens is the best course of action.

this has been handled wrong and if this whole discussion is indicative of whats to come, it aint lookin good is it?

Well, yes and no. We aren't doing too badly. With others I suspect that regardless of rules there might be problems with the way they post. With others still, they may change their minds when the dust settles. Again, we'll need to wait and see.

 

[Leanna]

now that i think of it..the only two faith icons that would be helpful would be Christian or non-christian...just so we know who we are talking to ..ya know?

I like the many different icons, it helps me to understand that a person is coming from a Baptist perspective, a Lutheran perspective, or a Pentecostal.... what have you. The more faith icons, the merrier, I say. (I also think you shouldn't be able to hide them )

 

[RedTulipMom]

I enjoy reading the other thread that Erwin started to update. He is a strong man, holding close to his convictions. It is true when a leader makes a radical decision many will object.... it always happens in Christian ministry..... its at times like these I do not miss being a pastor's wife. Ahh, but I digress. I think he is doing a great job and has my support.

provide the link will ya..ihavent seen that thread..thanks

 

[ScottishJohn]

I'm seeing even more just slipping out and signing up at other sites~not kneejerks, just movin' on.

That is fair enough. We can hope that in the future when things have settled down they might come back. If things haven't settled down then maybe they were demonstrating their wisdom by leaving quietly. Personally I think the changes will be good, but it is too early to call convincingly either way.

 

[*Starlight*]

it means youre misinterpreting the CHRISTIAN views of love and tolerance.

No, it means you're misunderstanding my views

I just think that love is what's important. Someone in the Bible said that "love your neighbor as yourself" sums up the whole law, and I agree with that

This is offtopic, anyway

 

[RedTulipMom]

I like the many different icons, it helps me to understand that a person is coming from a Baptist perspective, a Lutheran perspective, or a Pentecostal.... what have you. The more faith icons, the merrier, I say. (I also think you shouldn't be able to hide them )

ya...in one way i do agree..but the thing is..no two baptists REALLY believe the same thing anyway..lol..or not two Catholics..or not Two pentecostals..in reality..we EACH have our own individual beliefs when it comes down to it..i know i for one, dont believe every doctrine of my own denomination..and many don't. Which is why this change really makes lots of sense..allowing people to say whether they are christian or not without JUDGEMENT..Erwin is on the right track i believe..

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Well, they shouldn't fear, whatever their situation is. Maybe a chance to make up with those people in those churches.



To be fair I think we still are in the middle ground. When you look at the breadth of opinions on how this site could be run, what is being done is less radical than some would like. As for those who signed up, for the first time ever they will be able to take ownership of this site in a real and meaningful way. And the way that the inital post describes things seems to suggest that different areas of the site could work in different ways, which I think is an excellent idea for a site which is so big, and is looked to to fulfill so many different and sometimes competing needs. I don't think the post was particularly theatrical, deadlines give us something to look to which I appreciate. When they shut politics a month or so ago, there was (and still is) no indication of whether it is being addressed or has just been trashed. It is a form of accountability. Hints, well the truth may be that Erwin himself is not fully sure how the full details of everything will pan out. I think he's given us a good start. He gave us some warning, and he is popping in now and again to give us more idea of what he is doing. I still think lending our support and waiting to see what happens is the best course of action.



Well, yes and no. We aren't doing too badly. With others I suspect that regardless of rules there might be problems with the way they post. With others still, they may change their minds when the dust settles. Again, we'll need to wait and see.

dude this aint middle ground. this is no longer a christian ministry. its a site where all people can be members and staff in all areas. for a christian forum that was TOO legalistic, that aint middle ground. thats the diamteric opposite. and it again leads us back to the question: how is this now a "ChristianForum"?

but as to the rest of yer post, yer right. ppl shouldnt be afraid. but theyre lonely and so theyre afraid. us sayin they shouldnt be dont really change that.

and the big 7/7/7 deadline and all its accoutrements was pure theatre. as is his subsequent behavior. i aint sayin that means hes a bad guy. but its bein handled badly and its fosterin distrust and confusion which then encourages the fear and arguments.

 

[Cassiopeia]

All I can say to each of you and in particular to you Erwin is peace be with you.

I am so grateful to see the opening thread and what your vision for CF is. I am fully in support of every bit of it and will be glad that I can return here to post once again.

I was harassed and chased away for not "fitting" into people's definition though I felt I conducted myself in a Christ-like manner.

I will keep you in my prayers and do what I can to help those during the following months of transition to feel at peace whenever I can.

Blessings,
Casi

 

[ContentInHim]

Well, I'm not a Wiccan, but Wicca is quite cool.

I actually believe that sin is something that's against love. Which includes hurting others, physically or emotionally. Well, I believe that sin always causes harm, that's why I don't believe that something's a sin when it doesn't cause harm, and instead results in something good.

I know you believe that. I just don't want you teaching that.

 

[JimfromOhio]

its satanism more specifically. do what you will but dont infringe on another persons right to do what THEY will. cosy aint it. doesnt make you a satanist starjewel. it means youre misinterpreting the CHRISTIAN views of love and tolerance. if yer beliefs actually ARE the central tenets of satanism, what does that tell ya.

A faithful Christian will learn and see to it that his/her anticipations conform to the revealed Word of God and he/she has nothing to doubt or fear in life or in death. The question becomes when a person say: "I am a believer in Christ" and practice what God calls it sin is where God will meet this person in the core, in the heart. This is between God and the believer. Anyone can claim to be a Christian and only God knows who are His.

 

[No Swansong]

No, it means you're misunderstanding my views

I just think that love is what's important. Someone in the Bible said that "love your neighbor as yourself" sums up the whole law, and I agree with that

This is offtopic, anyway

Actually at least quote the whole thing. I think there was something in there about Love God? Maybe?