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A forever hell

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by KisKatte, May 1, 2021.

  1. Der Alte

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    [Previous post continued]

    Paul used the word “aionios” eleven [11] times. In the NT it is translated “eternal/everlasting” 20 times and world 3 times. In the following 12 verses Paul defines “aionios” as eternal.
    [11]Romans 5:21
    (21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal [aionios] life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
    In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios life” with death. “A finite period life” is not opposite death. “Aionios life” by definition here means ‘eternal life.”
    [12]Ephesians 3:21
    (21) to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever [tou aionios] and ever! [ton aionion] Amen.
    In this verse Paul parallels “tou aionios ton aionion” with “throughout all generations.” "Age(s)" a finite period cannot refer to "all generations." By definition “tou aionios ton aionion” means forever and ever.
    [13]Romans 1:20
    (20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    [14]Romans 16:26
    (26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
    In Rom 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, unending etc. In Rom 16:26, Paul, the same writer, in the same writing, refers to God as “aionios.” Paul has used “aidios” synonymous with “aionios.” In this verse by definition “aionios” means eternal, everlasting.
    [15]2 Corinthians 4:17-18
    (17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal [aionios] weight of glory;
    (18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal;[proskairos] but the things which are not seen are eternal [aionios]
    In this passage Paul juxtaposes “aionios” with “for a moment,” vs. 4, and “temporal,” vs. 5. “Age(s)” an indeterminate finite period, it is not the opposite of “for a moment”/”temporal/temporary” “eternal” is. “Aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”
    [16]2 Corinthians 5:1
    (1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal [aionios] in the heavens.
    In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios house” with “earthly house which is destroyed.” Is God going to replace our destroyed earthly house with a house which only lasts a little longer and will be destroyed at the end of an age? The aionios house is not destroyed, the opposite of “is destroyed.” Thus, “aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”
    [17]1 Timothy 6:16
    (16) Who only hath immortality, [aphthartos] dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting [aionios]
    In this verse Paul paralleled “aionios” with “immortality.” If “aionios” is only a finite period, God cannot be “immortal” and only exist for a finite period at the same time. Thus “aionios” by definition means “eternal.”
    [18]Galatians 6:8
    (8) For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; [fthora] but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [aionios]
    In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios” with “corruption.” “Fleshly” people reap “corruption” but spiritual people reap “life aionios,” i.e. “not corruption.” “Age(s), a finite period, is not opposite of “corruption.” Thus “aionios life” by definition here means “eternal/everlasting life.”
    [19]Romans 2:7
    (7) To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, [apftharsia] he will give eternal [aionios] life.
    In this verse Paul parallels “aionios” with “immortality.” If “aionios” is only a finite period, believers do not seek for “a finite period,” and “immortality” at the same time. But they can seek for “eternal life” and “immortality” at the same time. Thus by definition “aionios life” here means “eternal life.”
    [20]1 Timothy 1:17.
    (17) Now unto the King eternal, [aion] immortal, [aphthartos] invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever [aion] and ever [aionios]. Amen.
    In this verse Paul parallels “aion” with “immortal.” “Aion” cannot mean “age(s),” a finite period and immortal at the same time. Thus “aion” by definition here means “eternal.”
    [21]Romans 5:21
    (21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal [aionios] life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
    In this verse Paul juxtaposes “aionios life” with death. “A finite period life” is not opposite death. “Aionios life” by definition here means ‘eternal life.”
    [22]Ephesians 3:21
    (21) to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever [tou aionios] and ever! [ton aionion] Amen.
    In this verse Paul parallels “tou aionios ton aionion” with “throughout all generations.” "Age(s)" a finite period cannot refer to "all generations." By definition “tou aionios ton aionion” means forever and ever.
    [23]Hebrews 7:24 but because Jesus lives forever [aion] he has an unchangeable [aparabatos] priesthood.
    In this verse “aion” is parallel with “unchangeable.” If “aion” means “age(s),” Jesus cannot continue for only a “finite period” and simultaneously be “unchangeable.” Thus “aion” by definition here means “eternal.”
    [24]1 Peter 1:23
    (23) For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, [aphthartos] through the living and enduring word of God. …
    1 Peter 1:25
    (25) but the word of the Lord endures forever.[aion] " And this is the word that was preached to you.
    In verse 23 Peter parallels “word of God” with “imperishable.” The same writer, Peter, in the same writing 1 Peter, in verse 25 writes the word of God “endures eis ton aiona/unto eternity. ” The word of God is not a finite age long but imperishable. Thus by definition “aion” here means “eternity”
    [25]1 Peter 5:10
    (10) And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal [aionion] glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, [oligon] will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.
    In this verse Peter contrasted “aionios” with “little while” Jesus does not give His followers a finite period of glory then they eventually die. Thus “aionios” here, by definition, means “eternal.”
    [26]Revelation 14:11
    (11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:[eis aionas aionon] and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
    In this verse “aionas aionon torment” is paralleled with “no rest day or night.” If “aionas, aionon” means “a finite period” at some time they would rest, “Aionas, aionon” by definition here means “forever and forever.”
    = = = = = = =
    Footnotes ου μη/ou mé
    ●The double negative [ου μη] signifies in nowise, by no means. Θεωρήσῃ[theōrésé], denoting steady, protracted vision, is purposely used, because the promise contemplates the entire course of the believer's life in Christ. It is not, shall not die forever, but shall live eternally.[Vincent word studies]
    ● ④οὐ marker of reinforced negation, in combination w. μή, οὐ μή has the effect of strengthening the negation (Kühner-G. II 221–23; Schwyzer II 317; Mlt. 187–92 [a thorough treatment of NT usage]; B-D-F §365; RLudwig: D. prophet. Wort 31 ’37, 272–79; JLee, NovT 27, ’85, 18–23; B-D-F §365.—Pla., Hdt. et al. [Kühner-G. loc. cit.]; SIG 1042, 16; POxy 119, 5, 14f; 903, 16; PGM 5, 279; 13, 321; LXX; TestAbr A 8 p. 85, 11 [Stone p. 46]; JosAs 20:3; GrBar 1:7; ApcEsdr 2:7; Just., D. 141, 2). οὐ μή is the most decisive way of negativing something in the future.

    Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000)A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature.(3rd Ed). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
    ● The combinations with οὐ μή also be noticed as, ουδεν οὐ μή (Lu. 10:19); οὐ μή se σε άνο ουδ ου σε εγκαταιπο (Heb. 13:5); ουκετι οὐ μή (Rev. 18:14). There is no denying the power of this accumulation of negatives. Cf. the English hymn "I'll never, no never, no never forsake."
    Grammar Of The Greek New Testament In The Light Of Historical Research
    By A. T. Robertson, M.A., D.D., Ll.D., Litt.D. p.1165.
     
  2. Silverback

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    I think there is ample evidence from scripture that the unsaved will go to a place of eternal punishment, what that means, is a conscious knowledge that you are separated from the grace of God, and people will know know what that feels like. This will cause suffering, regret, and pain.

    As for fire and brimstone, being tossed around and beaten...I don't know.

    I hope not to find out
     
  3. Der Alte

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    Unfortunately this is nothing but wishful thinking with no, zero, none scriptural support.
    Were the millions of men, women, old, young, children, infants killed in the flood purged of their sinful natures?
    Were the thousands of men, women, old, young, children, infants killed by fire in Sodom and Gomorrah purged of their sinful natures?
    Were the thousands of men, women, old, young, children, infants killed by the sword when God told Israel to go into all Canaanite cities and kill all the inhabitants purged of their sinful natures?
     
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    But all will eventually believe. God will not and cannot fail. If there are people currently in disbelief it is because God has not called them out to believe. Jesus told His disciples, ' you haven't chose me, I have chosen you'.

    This is shown in the Old Testament, the ones that were chosen by God were the Levites. They were the ones that were the PRIESTS. They had to be sanctified first in order to atone and minister for the rest of the congregation of Israel. Those being called in this current dispensation are the New Testament LEVITES. They will join the High Priest (Christ) at His Coming and begin the process of atonement for the rest of the Congregation and (the rest of mankind).
     
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  5. Saint Steven

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    I agree.
    Those who believe in eternal conscious torment are inferring that God predestined countless billions for it.
     
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    And to add to that, nobody can confess that Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Spirit:

    1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
     
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    There is not place that says anyone will go into eternal punishment. The Greek word often used for eternal or everlasting is from "aionios". Most don't know what that means and that includes universalists. It doesn't mean a limited duration or an endless duration. It doesn't speak to the end point of a duration at all. It speaks to the continuing point. It is an adjective and much like the horizon. It says that something will go beyond the age boundary. So it is something that is AGE-ENDURING.

    Consider this verse:

    Mat_25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    The words "everlasting" and "eternal" both come from the same word "aionios". But look what happens when you put in the proper meaning:

    Mat 25:46 And these shall go away to age-enduring punishment, but the righteous to age-enduring life.'

    The Hebrew equivalent is Olam. But it just means like a point at which something continues. Like a Horizon, you can't see the end of it but you know that there is more beyond it. But you don't know how far beyond it something may go.
     
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    Here is one that many opponents of universal salvation don't want to show:

    Rom_16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

    The part in bold is from the word "aionios". Here you can see it doesn't mean eternal other wise the secret would never not be a secret. See this is why aionios is NOT speaking to an end point. It isn't eternal or limited duration. It simply speaks to the continuing point (meaning the age in reference). This mean that the secret was a secret before the age but not indefinitely.
     
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    You say that as if you think it makes sense.
     
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    But that's still not my point. I agreed that they will acknowledge him at that point because he is there in person. All will be changed at that point in a twinkling of an eye. So of course they are going to acknowledge who he is. They will know. But again, he will turn people away.
     
  11. Light of the East

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    According to Dr. David Bentley Hart in his First Meditation in THAT ALL SHALL BE SAVED, this is the only thing you can believe if you accept the premise of eternal conscious torment - i.e., that God intended it from the very beginning and that from the beginning, it was His will. All things are created towards an end. Creation always has a goal in mind. Therefore, if God, who had no need to create, lacking nothing, and knowing that the Fall of man would take place, went ahead and created mankind, He did so with only one of two possible goals:

    1. That man would be made into the fullness of the image of God - deified - and become a partaker in the love/unity of the Blessed Trinity. In creating man while knowing the Fall was coming, God nonetheless creates man because knowing of the coming of sin and the Fall, God has a plan, the mystery from the ages of ages, by which He will even use sin and our failures as pedigogical tool for our growth and instruction.

    2. That man was created to be damned in order to show the power and majesty of God. This display of power and authority, sending millions who did not need to be created, shows the glory and majesty of God, and all the redeemed, with the angels and saints, forever glorify Him for His power over sin and His conquest of all His enemies, making them sorry they ever chose to rebel against Him.

    The first is the Father who is love.

    The second is Molech.
     
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  12. Light of the East

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    Not according to Jesus and the parable of the Prodigal Son.

    The end of all things is at hand. A great feast is taking place in heaven to honor and glorify God. Yet the main Guest of Honor, the Lord Jesus Christ, Savior of Mankind, is nowere to be found. A search party is sent out to try to ascertain where He is and bring Him to the merriment. Finally, they find Him sitting on a cloud, staring out into the vastness of the universe.

    "My Lord, the feast is underway, and all are waiting for you. What are you doing?"

    With tears in His eyes, Christ turns to the messengers who have been sent to seek Him.

    "I'm am looking for Judas."
     
  13. JulieB67

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    The prodigal son had true repentance. And it didn't take the Lake of Fire to come to that. As I said earlier. Why would Christ need to be sacrified if all God had to do was throw somebody in the Lake of Fire??
     
  14. Der Alte

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    Total nonsense. See my posts [#140-141] above where I conclusively show using only scripture that "aionios" does in fact mean eternal and "aion" does in fact mean "eternity."
    …..Some people claim that “aion/aionios” never means eternity/eternal because they sometimes refer to things which are not eternal.
    However, neither word is ever defined/described, by other adjectives or adjectival phrases, as meaning a period of time less than eternal, in the New Testament, as in the following verses.
    …..Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times. He never used “aionios” to refer to anything ordinary or mundane that was not or could not be eternal.
    …..In the following ten verses Jesus defines “aionios” as “eternal.”
    [1] Luke 1:33
    (33) And he shall reign [basileusei][Vb] over the house of Jacob for ever; [aionas] and of his kingdom [basileias][Nn] there shall be no end.[telos] ​
    In this verse the reign/basileusei, which is the verb form of the word, is "aionas" and of the kingdom/basileias, the noun form of the same word, "there shall be no end.” “Aionas” by definition here means eternal.
    [2] John 6:58
    (58) This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.[aionios] ​
    In this verse Jesus juxtaposes “aionios life” with “death.” If “live aionios” is only a finite period, a finite period is not opposite “death.” Thus “aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”
    [3] John 10:28
    (28) I give them eternal [aionios] life, and they shall never [aion] perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. ​
    In this verse Jesus parallels “aionios” and “aion” with “[not] snatch them out of my hand.” If “aion/aionios” means “age(s), a finite period,” that is not the opposite of “[not] snatch them out of my hand’” “Aionios life” by definition here means “eternal life.”
    [4]John 3:15
    (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [aionion] life.
    [5] John 3:16
    (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [aionion] life. ​
    In these two verses Jesus parallels “aionion” with “should not perish.” Believers could eventually perish in a finite period, thus by definition “aionion life” here means eternal or everlasting life.
    [6]John 5:24
    (24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting [aionios] life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ​
    In this verse Jesus parallels “aionios” with “shall not come into condemnation” and “passed from death unto life.” “Aionios” does not mean “a finite period,” by definition here it means “eternal,” unless Jesus lets His followers come into condemnation and pass into death.
    [7]John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting [aionios] life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. ​
    In this verse Jesus juxtaposed aionios life with “shall not see life.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall not see life” By definition aionios means eternal.
    [8]John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never [ου μη/ou mé] thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting [aionios] life.​
    In this verse Jesus paralleled aionios with “shall [ου μη/ou mé][fn] never thirst.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall never thirst.” By definition aionios means eternal. See note [fn] on “ou mé” below.
    [9]John 6:27
    (27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting [aionios] life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. ​
    In this verse Jesus contrasted “aionios meat” with “meat that perishes” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “meat that perishes.” By definition aionios means eternal.
    [10]John 8:51
    (51) Very truly [amen amen] I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never [ou mé eis ton aiona][fn] see death."​
    In this verse Jesus juxtaposes “unto aion” with “never see death.” By definition “aion” means eternity.


     
  15. Saint Steven

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    Exactly! I agree. Here's my whole presentation on that.

    Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

    Philippians 2:10-11
    that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

    1 Corinthians 12:3
    Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
    “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

    Romans 10:9
    If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
    that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Romans 14:9
    For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
    he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

    Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
    S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

    Further reading: (Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:10, Revelation 15:4)
     
  16. Saint Steven

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    How else would I say it? - lol

    Saint Steven said:
    Right. They invented it, after all. That makes it legitimate. Right?
     
  17. Saint Steven

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    This happens after that. Everyone is separated before they are brought back together.

    Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord.
     
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    Isa_52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

    Is God all powerful?
    Does God do everything with a purpose?
    Does God know the end from the beginning?
    Does God want to save all mankind?
    Does God get what He wants?


    The answer is yes to all those questions.


     
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    Luke 12:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

    Theres a pair of eyes that saw the salvation of God right there
     
  20. Der Alte

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    Contrary to what UR-ites say, scripture does NOT say that all mankind will bow "in reverent love for their Maker." etc.
    Exomologeō occurs eleven times in the NT. in addition to Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back)”etc.
    In Philippians 2:11exomologeō is an aorist, active, subjunctive. The subjunctive is the mood of possibility or potentiality. The action may or may not happen. Every knee should bow not “will bow.”

    Matthew 3:6 “confessing their sins,” Matthew 11:25 “thank,” Mark 1:5 “confessing their sins,” Luke 10:21 “thank,” Luke 22:6 “promised,” Acts of the apostles 19:18 “confessed their deeds,” Romans 14:11 “confess,” Romans 15:9 “confess Christ,” James 5:16 “confess your faults,” Revelation 3:5 “confess his name”
    …..Scripture says that every knee should bow but only believers will do so freely, willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies. How will the enemies of Jesus feel?
    Matthew 7:21-23
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, *(fn) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
    …..*(fn)"That day" =the day of judgment.]
    After judgment day and “I never knew you: depart from me,” there are no more chances for reconciliation.
    The word of God says every knee should bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.

    1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
    2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
    3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
    But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
    This is another important point it is recorded 7 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.

    1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
    2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
    3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
    4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
    5. Acts of the apostles 2:34-35
    34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool..
    6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
    7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
    Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    What does “make your enemies your footstool mean?” Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
    Josh 10:5-15 five kings band together to make war against Israel and were defeated.

    Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah….
    Joshua 10:22-24
    22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.

    24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.

    Joshua 10:26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.
    The enemies of Joshua were made his footstool then destroyed. They did not become faithful, obedient members of his army.
    The enemies of Jesus become His footstool, as the enemies of Joshua did, and nowhere is it written that those enemies will be reconciled.
     
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