5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

[Belk]

Your comprehension skills are lacking. Nobody has the morality to judge God, especially not an atheist who supposedly doesn't believe He exists anyway.

No, my comprehension skills are just fine. You apparently do not see the issue with claiming that none are capable of judging God and then going on to pronounce his actions "good". You either feel yourself capable of judging God or you are blindly following a being without knowing if his actions are moral. You can't have it both ways.

 

[AV1611VET]

What's this got to do with creation and evolution?

-- Like I said, I can usually tell when I've made a good point.

 

[BarryDesborough]

-- Like I said, I can usually tell when I've made a good point.

In your head, maybe.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Fair enough.

So it's okay for you to shoot down American Airlines Flight 11, but it's not okay for God to order the shooting down of its equivalent?

Did you understand anything I wrote or was it just a jumble of words in an unfamiliar order to you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you understand anything I wrote or was it just a jumble of words in an unfamiliar order to you?

I read what you wrote after that, and all it is to me is a cheap denial of my point, replete with ridicule.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

-- Like I said, I can usually tell when I've made a good point.

It would appear you come away from most threads where you've been vegamaticked, to use your own very effective phrase, thinking you've made good points. But I can't remember you ever actually making one. In fact it would be interesting to know if anyone can think of a good point you've made. I mean, you've written over 2 million posts. Even a chimpanzee using a typewriter might have made a good point given 2 million attempts.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I read what you wrote after that, and all it is to me is a cheap denial of my point, replete with ridicule.

You didn't take in any of the differences pointed out between your example and the horrific actions of your god in the bible? You can't see any pertinent differences or problems with your analogy at all. Even after they are pointed out to you, not just by me, but by several different people? None of it's registered with you? Nothing at all?

 

[AV1611VET]

Even a chimpanzee using a typewriter might have made a good point given 2 million attempts.

Thank you.

I am not related to a chimpanzee in any way.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Thank you.

I am not related to a chimpanzee in any way.

I don't suppose you realise how amusing that is.

 

[mathetes123]

No, my comprehension skills are just fine. You apparently do not see the issue with claiming that none are capable of judging God and then going on to pronounce his actions "good". You either feel yourself capable of judging God or you are blindly following a being without knowing if his actions are moral. You can't have it both ways.

In the absence of an absolute, transcendent lawgiver there can be no absolute transcendent moral laws. An atheist has no basis for making any moral judgements, as if there are no absolute moral laws, morality is reduced to a matter of personal preference.

God's moral law says that tne penalty for sin is death. The bible makes it clear that all have sinned. Perfect justice would therefore require that all be condemned. Fortunately for us, God reconciled His perfect justice with His love and mercy for us, by sending His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins, and to be raised on the third day for our justification, defeating sin and death. If you choose to reject Jesus and His pardon bought on the cross, that is on you, and not Him.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

In the absence of an absolute, transcendent lawgiver there can be no absolute transcendent moral laws. An atheist has no basis for making any moral judgements, as if there are no absolute moral laws, morality is reduced to a matter of personal preference.

God's moral law says that tne penalty for sin is death. The bible makes it clear that all have sinned. Perfect justice would therefore require that all be condemned. Fortunately for us, God reconciled His perfect justice with His love and mercy for us, by sending His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins, and to be raised on the third day for our justification, defeating sin and death. If you choose to reject Jesus and His pardon bought on the cross, that is on you, and not Him.

Certainly even you can think of at least one instance in which society might agree on what is moral or not, without the need for a "transcendent lawgiver?"

I mean really, did you need a big guy in the sky to tell you it's probably not a good idea to sleep with your neighbor's wife?

 

[mathetes123]

Certainly even you can think of at least one instance in which society might agree on what is moral or not, without the need for a "transcendent lawgiver?"

I mean really, did you need a big guy in the sky to tell you it's probably not a good idea to sleep with your neighbor's wife?

You have to ask yourself why that is?

 

[Split Rock]

Would you have shot it down if you had the chance to legitimately do so?

Under the circumstances, yes. Now, were the hijackers justified since they were doing the work of Allah, during a time of Holy War (Jihad) against infidels?

 

[In situ]

I don't know why you're using the phrase "deserved to die."

That's pretty strong language.

I suspect you're trying to get one of us to admit it, so it can be used against us in the future.

But I'll bite:

Those children [deserved to die] in the same way children aboard American Airlines Flight 11 would have [deserved to die] had you taken the initiative to shoot it down before it hit the North tower.

So do you now want to go into a discussion about what we mean with a 'justification' or do you rather like to change your mind and agree with my initial statement that their exists causes but no justification for killing innocent people?

 

[BarryDesborough]

You have to ask yourself why that is?

Simple. Your neighbour is not likely to take kindly to you doing that. Neither is your own wife.

The reasons why, and the reasons why it is sometimes a temptation, are easily explained in terms of basic evolutionary psychology. The reason we are here is because we are the latest in a long line of successful breeders. Those who did not successfully guard against being cuckolded did not pass on their indifferent genes. Those who successfully cheated did - often enough.

 

[In situ]

Those children [deserved to die] in the same way children aboard American Airlines Flight 11 would have [deserved to die] had you taken the initiative to shoot it down before it hit the North tower.

The problem with your analogy is that we are discussing the killing of human beings by an claimed omnipotent and loving deity. Therefore I wonder why shooting down AAF 11 is the only option we should considered in your analogy? It all seams a bit narrow minded in my opinion...

 

[In situ]

By way of example: American Airlines Flight 11.

Not granted... you making a false analogy with AFF 11.

 

[mathetes123]

The problem with your analogy is that we are discussing the killing of human beings by an claimed omnipotent and loving deity. Therefore I wonder why shooting down AAF 11 is the only option we should considered in your analogy? It all seams a bit narrow minded in my opinion...

The problem is that you fail to recognize your current position before a holy God. Yes, He is loving, but He is also just.

John 3:16-21
For God So Loved the World
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

You have to ask yourself why that is?

I'm guessing the first time this happened, it didn't end well for either party.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

The problem is that you fail to recognize your current position before a holy God. Yes, He is loving, but He is also just.

Then your god will understand why I didn't believe in it. Joke's on you.