5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

[bhsmte]

No offense, but if you like them -- I'll pass.

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[toolmanjantzi]

So, if we have both made unsubstantiated claims, shouldn't the default position be one of unbelief?

I do not have to prove my truth with evidence. For the willfully ignorant, your error is evidence of my truth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And Jesus' parables were real occurrences that He witnessed.

Jesus' parables weren't just made-up stories; they were real happenings.

If there was a litmus test to who gets Jesus' message and who can't see the forest for the trees, I think we've just seen it.

And for the record, the Bible doesn't start off: "Once upon a time..."

It starts off: "In the beginning..."

The difference being...?

 

[bhsmte]

I do not have to prove my truth with evidence. For the willfully ignorant, your error is evidence of my truth.

That was easy!

 

[TLK Valentine]

I do not have to prove my truth with evidence. For the willfully ignorant, your error is evidence of my truth.

Would "willfully ignorant" be someone who wears their ignorance like a badge?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Prove the truth of the verse. It is not my job to refute unsupported claims. Why do some theists have such a hard time understanding what a burden of proof is?

Do you know what evidence is? Is such a simple concept as evidence beyond you?

You, can say "Pinocchio's nose grew when he lied". You do not have to substantiate your belief that Pinnochio is a real, for it to be true. I would agree with you, and witness that by saying the above sentence you are not insane and have spoken 100% truth.

You, CAN NOT SAY "Jesus is The Lord", without substantiating your belief, and recognizing your inability to believe your statement to be TRUE.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

The burden of proof lies with you to support the claims made in scripture.

My burden has been lifted, by the death and Ressurection of Christ. You still carry yours, unfortunately.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Not to mention that we find those errors by applying the scientific method. This is different than the religious method where a belief is never accepted as wrong no matter what the evidence is.

A 6,000 year old Earth is contradicted by almost every field of science, as is a recent global flood. We could start there.

How did you determine that science was wrong?

Why don't you actually present evidence that the Bible is the inspired work of a supernatural deity?

I just did, answer the questions; that I may provide evidence.

 

[rikerjoe]

My burden has been lifted, by the death and Ressurection of Christ. You still carry yours, unfortunately.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Not to mention that we find those errors by applying the scientific method. This is different than the religious method where a belief is never accepted as wrong no matter what the evidence is.

A 6,000 year old Earth is contradicted by almost every field of science, as is a recent global flood. We could start there.

In order for an answer to be correct it must be able to stand against the whole bible, if it can do that there can be a difference in interpretation.
That interpretation is required also to be able to stand in truth of the Bible.

Example of this in science are Laws. If I told you a mother had 46 chromosomes and the father had 46 chromosomes it would easily be argued if I said the child had 92 chromosomes.

My math is correct 46+46=92; except science has shown the child would have 23 of the fathers and 23 of the mothers and would have 46 chromosomes.

When it comes to the flood; I can show both a local and global flood. Local meaning it covered the land that was inhabited. Global meaning when the waters reached the shore lines of the continent of that time; water covered the whole globe making it actually Global. But no one at that time would be aware of any other continents or islands.

The real problem is when YOU, go looking for the evidence of a flood and base all understanding of local floods and compare it to a global flood.

Next, if your looking for proof to appease your belief in God, your Faith suffers. If you are looking to disprove the truth of the bible, you are already on the road to destruction and will only find what makes you feel better about the judgment of God to come on you. If you read the bible the answers are all there, and you put your trust in God.

How did you determine that science was wrong?

Science that helps the needs of others is not wrong. Science that helps man to understand creation better is not wrong. Science that spends Billions of tax payers money to prove there is no God is wrong. While people starve we waist time on proving the existence of a particle that was the start to life. What a waist of money. Science that goes against the moral laws of the Bible is wrong, and scientist know it themselves. Making body parts out of headless babies, making food in Petrie dishes, breeding two different species that would never breed together. Like a Human and a Chimpanzee. All wrong.

Why don't you actually present evidence that the Bible is the inspired work of a supernatural deity?

Why not start with Bible Prophecy. Can you prove it has ever been wrong. The Bible itself condemns false Prophets, so itself would be condemned if no prophecy concerning Jesus was false.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Tool, the bible must stand on its own like any other ancient book must to be declared credible. It should be viewed objectively and hold up to historical method like any other book that makes claims must.

It happens to be a fact, that the vast majority of biblical scholars and historians are christians (many of those conservative, because they work for religious institutions). On the surface, this isn't the best way to get objectivity, but even in this tilted environment, only a minority of legit historians claim the bible is historically reliable.

Following Man again does not point one to truth.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I hate to break it to you, but a high percentage of folks who claim they are christian, believe the following; evolution is true, noah story is a myth, miracles likely never happened and the bible is loaded with contradictions, errors and is not historically reliable.

You can always then claim that these people are not really christian and I have no problem with that, because the definition of what a christian is has morphed into many forms for a number of years (mostly from scrambling to acknowledge scientific findings that can no longer be ignored).

If that is the case, the number of "true" christians in the world (and especially the United States) is much lower than the latest polls show (60-70%).

What about true scientists? You claim any different for those who make scientific findings and claim science was behind it; yet they never have peer reviews of their work.

You should know better then to assume all who say they are Christians are not necessarily Christian. The bible warns of false converts.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Why don't you read this essay, it might help (it is written by a christian, btw).

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2003/PSCF9-03Collins.pdf

So would you believe anything Mr. Collins would have to say?

 

[bhsmte]

In order for an answer to be correct it must be able to stand against the whole bible, if it can do that there can be a difference in interpretation.
That interpretation is required also to be able to stand in truth of the Bible.

Example of this in science are Laws. If I told you a mother had 46 chromosomes and the father had 46 chromosomes it would easily be argued if I said the child had 92 chromosomes.

My math is correct 46+46=92; except science has shown the child would have 23 of the fathers and 23 of the mothers and would have 46 chromosomes.

When it comes to the flood; I can show both a local and global flood. Local meaning it covered the land that was inhabited. Global meaning when the waters reached the shore lines of the continent of that time; water covered the whole globe making it actually Global. But no one at that time would be aware of any other continents or islands.

The real problem is when YOU, go looking for the evidence of a flood and base all understanding of local floods and compare it to a global flood.

Next, if your looking for proof to appease your belief in God, your Faith suffers. If you are looking to disprove the truth of the bible, you are already on the road to destruction and will only find what makes you feel better about the judgment of God to come on you. If you read the bible the answers are all there, and you put your trust in God.



Science that helps the needs of others is not wrong. Science that helps man to understand creation better is not wrong. Science that spends Billions of tax payers money to prove there is no God is wrong. While people starve we waist time on proving the existence of a particle that was the start to life. What a waist of money. Science that goes against the moral laws of the Bible is wrong, and scientist know it themselves. Making body parts out of headless babies, making food in Petrie dishes, breeding two different species that would never breed together. Like a Human and a Chimpanzee. All wrong.


Why not start with Bible Prophecy. Can you prove it has ever been wrong. The Bible itself condemns false Prophets, so itself would be condemned if no prophecy concerning Jesus was false.

Tool, bible prophecies have all been debunked with logic. Even the most prominent christian apologists don't use prophecies when debating atheists, because they know there is nothing to them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So would you believe anything Mr. Collins would have to say?

Where are you getting that from?

 

[bhsmte]

Following Man again does not point one to truth.

I do my best, to follow logic and reason, so I end up following the truth.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Judge and ye shall be judged.

You are on dangerous ground.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matthew 7:5 KJV)

I am more then sure KW has casted her beam out and can see clearly the motes in her brother's eye. Therefore her Judgement can be seasoned with mercy and love.

How about you?

Did you not judge her judgement?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Read the work of credible biblical scholars/historians.

The bible warns me of them also.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

It came from the dead.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The bible warns me of them also.

The Bible warns you to stay away from credible people?