5 key details in controversial Senate border deal

[Vambram]

5 key details in controversial Senate border deal

Here is what is in the border security and immigration section of the Senate's supplemental emergency spending agreement released late on Sunday evening.

www.foxnews.com

Here are the main parts of the immigration deal:
‘Border Emergency Authority’
Work permits for illegal migrants
Changes in Asylum rules
Additional funding for Border staffing and infrastructure
Increased legal immigration pathways

Separate from the border, the bill includes work permits and temporary visas for 250,000 "documented dreamers" – children of immigrants on temporary work visas who have since become adults. The bill also raises the cap on the number of green cards by 50,000 a year, the majority of which will be family-based. It also establishes an expedited pathway for Afghans who were evacuated to the U.S. to get green cards.

 

[Vambram]

Bipartisan Border Bill: Worse than Skeptics Predicted

The Senate's border bill lowers the barriers to migration and relaxes the asylum process, ensuring more migration into jobs and voting booths.

www.breitbart.com

The Senate’s draft border bill that promised to reduce migration chaos at the border actually invites a greater inflow by welcoming migrants who seek jobs or claim asylum.

“I’ve seen enough,” said a Sunday evening tweet from House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA), adding:

This bill is even worse than we expected, and won’t come close to ending the border catastrophe the President has created. As the lead Democrat negotiator proclaimed: Under this legislation, “the border never closes.”

The phrase “the border never closes” is a much-replayed quote from the top Democratic negotiator, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT).
In a series of Sunday evening tweets, Murphy gloated that Democrats’ promised curb on illegal migration — including a much-touted border “shutdown” process — are trumped by many pro-migration rules:



“Democrats proudly proclaim new border law ‘never closes’ the border and, of course, the entire $115 billion will be borrowed,” said a tweet from Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY). “Nothing, absolutely nothing, conservative about this deal.”

“’The border never closes’ -chief Democrat negotiator on the Senate bill,” tweeted Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO). “That’s all you need to know.”

 

[Hans Blaster]

5 key details in controversial Senate border deal

Here is what is in the border security and immigration section of the Senate's supplemental emergency spending agreement released late on Sunday evening.

www.foxnews.com

Here are the main parts of the immigration deal:
‘Border Emergency Authority’
Work permits for illegal migrants
Changes in Asylum rules
Additional funding for Border staffing and infrastructure
Increased legal immigration pathways

Separate from the border, the bill includes work permits and temporary visas for 250,000 "documented dreamers" – children of immigrants on temporary work visas who have since become adults. The bill also raises the cap on the number of green cards by 50,000 a year, the majority of which will be family-based. It also establishes an expedited pathway for Afghans who were evacuated to the U.S. to get green cards.

Could you explain why each of these is bad (or state that they are not)?

 

[wing2000]

Bipartisan Border Bill: Worse than Skeptics Predicted

The Senate's border bill lowers the barriers to migration and relaxes the asylum process, ensuring more migration into jobs and voting booths.

www.breitbart.com

The Senate’s draft border bill that promised to reduce migration chaos at the border actually invites a greater inflow by welcoming migrants who seek jobs or claim asylum.

“I’ve seen enough,” said a Sunday evening tweet from House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA), adding:


The phrase “the border never closes” is a much-replayed quote from the top Democratic negotiator, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT).
In a series of Sunday evening tweets, Murphy gloated that Democrats’ promised curb on illegal migration — including a much-touted border “shutdown” process — are trumped by many pro-migration rules:


“’The border never closes’ -chief Democrat negotiator on the Senate bill,” tweeted Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO). “That’s all you need to know.”

....well duh. The US ports of entry are open to commerce 7x24, 365 days a year. But hey, if Mr Hawley really wants to "close" the border, that would certainly inflict economic harm on US border states whose economies benefit greatly from trade with Mexico. On 2nd thought, it's an election year so he would have no issue shooting ourselves in the foot if it hurt Biden....

 

[sprknjc]

Work permits for illegal immigrants, especially those who are also criminals in other ways? My head is spinning, seeking Guidance from Above on this latest news. Mixed thoughts on rewarding bad behavior perhaps.

 

[Vambram]

Work permits for illegal immigrants, especially those who are also criminals in other ways? My head is spinning, seeking Guidance from Above on this latest news. Mixed thoughts on rewarding bad behavior perhaps.

Amen

 

[Vambram]

....well duh. The US ports of entry are open to commerce 7x24, 365 days a year. But hey, if Mr Hawley really wants to "close" the border, that would certainly inflict economic harm on US border states whose economies benefit greatly from trade with Mexico. On 2nd thought, it's an election year so he would have no issue shooting ourselves in the foot if it hurt Biden....

OBVIOUSLY, Senator Hawley and other conservatives have a problem with illegal immigration and NOT with the legal commerce and trade through the borders of the USA.

 

[Vambram]

Could you explain why each of these is bad (or state that they are not)?

I don't have a lot of time right now. But I don't approve of expediting work permits for illegal immigrants because that encourages more and more people to cross the borders illegally.

 

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Scope and History of Section 212(f) Presidential Authority to Suspend/Restrict Entry by Proclamation | myattorneyusa

Examines the language of section 212(f) and the scope of the President's power to issue an executive order barring those whose entry he deems to be detrimental to the U.S. interest.

myattorneyusa.com

Here's a section of a current law, the Immigration and Nationality Act, which Joe and his Administration should be already enforcing much more strictly than they have been doing so.

 

[wing2000]

OBVIOUSLY, Senator Hawley and other conservatives have a problem with illegal immigration and NOT with the legal commerce and trade through the borders of the USA.

What does Senator Hawliey mean by a "closed border"?

And btw, James Lankford is a conservative Senator....

 

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https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1182&num=0&edition=prelim

I am not sure if this link will work or not.
I found it after a couple of searches for Immigration Nationality Act section 212(f)

 

[Vambram]

What does Senator Hawliey mean by a "closed border"?

And btw, James Lankford is a conservative Senator....

Lankford is a political idiot, IMO.
Clearly, it is obvious that Senator Hawley is talking about closing the border to illegal immigration.

 

[wing2000]

Scope and History of Section 212(f) Presidential Authority to Suspend/Restrict Entry by Proclamation | myattorneyusa

Examines the language of section 212(f) and the scope of the President's power to issue an executive order barring those whose entry he deems to be detrimental to the U.S. interest.

myattorneyusa.com

Here's a section of a current law, the Immigration and Nationality Act, which Joe and his Administration should be already enforcing much more strictly than they have been doing so.

Which provision specifically?

Lankford is a political idiot, IMO.

Why?

Clearly, it is obvious that Senator Hawley is talking about closing the border to illegal immigration.

So why is he denying DHS 20 Billion dollars more for federal authorities — including the Homeland Security, Justice and State departments, as well as other agencies — to hire thousands of new Border Patrol agents and asylum officers, increase detention capacity, and invest in technology to combat the smuggling of fentanyl and other narcotics.

Or does he think the DHS has enough resources already? Hint, it doesn't.

 

[Vambram]

Which provision specifically?


Why?



So why is he denying DHS 20 Billion dollars more for federal authorities — including the Homeland Security, Justice and State departments, as well as other agencies — to hire thousands of new Border Patrol agents and asylum officers, increase detention capacity, and invest in technology to combat the smuggling of fentanyl and other narcotics.

Or does he think the DHS has enough resources already? Hint, it doesn't.

All provisions of Section 212(f).

Lankford is a political idiot because he agreed with and helped write a bill that does more to keep illegal immigration at the current annual level of illegal immigration than it does to actually greatly reduce illegal immigration.


What do conservatives such as Senator Hawley and myself want?
We want the current laws to actually be enforced. We demand that the president and DHS to enact policies that very strongly discourage illegal immigration.

 

[wing2000]

All provisions of Section 212(f).

Lankford is a political idiot because he agreed with and helped write a bill that does more to keep illegal immigration at the current annual level of illegal immigration than it does to actually greatly reduce illegal immigration.

How does this bill "do more to keep illegal immigration at the current annual level?

What do conservatives such as Senator Hawley and myself want?
We want the current laws to actually be enforced. We demand that the president and DHS to enact policies that very strongly discourage illegal immigration.

All these "demands" mean nothing without updates to the law and increased resources for enforcement.

 

[wing2000]

All provisions of Section 212(f).

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this?​

(F) Association with terrorist organizations​

Any alien who the Secretary of State, after consultation with the Attorney General, or the Attorney General, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines has been associated with a terrorist organization and intends while in the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in activities that could endanger the welfare, safety, or security of the United States is inadmissible.

 

[rambot]

Some will want ONLY legal immigration.

And they are okay with legal immigration.

But don't increase it.

 

[Vambram]

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this?​

(F) Association with terrorist organizations​

Any alien who the Secretary of State, after consultation with the Attorney General, or the Attorney General, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines has been associated with a terrorist organization and intends while in the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in activities that could endanger the welfare, safety, or security of the United States is inadmissible.

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this?​

(F) Association with terrorist organizations​

Any alien who the Secretary of State, after consultation with the Attorney General, or the Attorney General, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines has been associated with a terrorist organization and intends while in the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in activities that could endanger the welfare, safety, or security of the United States is inadmissible.

Scope and History of Section 212(f) Presidential Authority to Suspend/Restrict Entry by Proclamation | myattorneyusa

Examines the language of section 212(f) and the scope of the President's power to issue an executive order barring those whose entry he deems to be detrimental to the U.S. interest.

myattorneyusa.com

This explanation from myattorneyusa.com is a very good one concerning section 212(f) from the Immigration Nationality Act.

 

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Mitch McConnell Turns Against Border Bill

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) decided to recommend that Republicans block the advancement of the Senate pro-migration border bill.

www.breitbart.com

Today, Senator Mitch McConnell made the decision that Republicans should block advancement of that new bill in the Senate.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Mitch McConnell Turns Against Border Bill

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) decided to recommend that Republicans block the advancement of the Senate pro-migration border bill.

www.breitbart.com

Today, Senator Mitch McConnell made the decision that Republicans should block advancement of that new bill in the Senate.

Does Mitch give a reason, or is this just to please Leader Trump?