Stunning images show Arizona border crossing overrun by massive surge of adult male migrants from across globe

[JustOneWay]

O k. Let's consider these things.

BLM is, simultaneously, an organization, a concept and a boogie man for the right. Not everyone supported the organization, even those who marched or participated in protests. The concept is more broadly supported, especially by those who understand what the words actually mean. The boogie man is still embraced by conservatives as evidenced by their bizarre claims that BLM helped execute the January 6th false flag attack on the Capitol.

The 2020 riots have achieved mythical status among Conservatives. In reality actual BLM protests were 93% peaceful. Some riots were instigated by Bogaloo Boys and other white nationalists. Some riots were instigated by police like the crackdown on the Elijah McClain violin vigil. Many were Antifa clashes with right wingers or police, not BLM. Most of the riots were criminal miscreants taking advantage of civil unrest during the Covid lockdowns.

Calling the far left fascist is an act of political illiteracy. Your first sentence didn't even establish that the BLM was far left, much less authoritarian. Fascism has a number of hallmarks completely absent from the far left
- Personality cult/strong man leader
- Hyper nationalism
- Church state entanglement
- Scapegoating of others as a tool of political unity
- Fetishization of the military
- Corporations given priority
- Suppression of labor unions
- Attacking intellectuals and the arts

We actually see quite a few of these hallmarks on the right.

There were and are many who don't understand the premise of "black lives matter" and sneer at it, but there are plenty who use "all lives matter" as a racist flipping the bird towards black people.

Sometimes I wish posts like this can be stickied to the top of the forum, because it seems every other month this type of post must be presented when another new conspiracy theorist comes along.

 

[MForbes]

I didn't say that did I? I said Bush was pro government power not a communist. There are authoritarians on each side of the spectrum, the far right is very dictatorial as well as the far left. The far left could be categorized as fascist. They want everyone to bow down to what they want. Tolerance for all except those who disagree. Extremely hypocritical. I am seeing more of the far left fascism than the far right authoritarianism. There are for sure those on the right who limit freedoms as I pointed out with Bush. I never said he was a communist. He was an evil man who wanted money and power. And yet he didn't do as much damage as a communist would. We have many examples of far worse evil. This is from a quick google search: "the number of people killed by the Communist governments amounts to more than 94 million.  The statistics of victims include deaths through executions, man-made hunger, famine, war, deportations, and forced labor." Either side of the spectrum, far right and far left need to be called out.

You need to school yourself up on fascism and communism, then come back and have an intelligent conversation with us.

 

[DaisyDay]

It seems that all posts of @Janelle525 have disappeared. This is why it pays to quote the person you're responding to.

ETA: @Janelle525 is now @InChristAlone525 - be extra gentle.

 

[Danthemailman]

this forum is toxic

You got that right!!!

 

[rambot]

this forum is toxic

People disagreeing with you is not "toxic".

Make stronger and better arguments and maybe leave the echo chamber.


Nvm that it is a 95% guarantee that most of yhese migrants are socially superconservative and would be prime voting candidates for Republicans......if they started helping them

 

[JustOneWay]

People disagreeing with you is not "toxic".

People who can't make a rational, logical or insightful posts to defend their position often times say such things....

Make stronger and better arguments and maybe leave the echo chamber.

Indeed,

Nvm that it is a 95% guarantee that most of yhese migrants are socially superconservative and would be prime voting candidates for Republicans......if they started helping them

Only problem is they don't want to help them. They want to use them for their political talking points.

 

[JustOneWay]

You got that right!!!

Only you have the power over yourself to walk away.

 

[Diamond7]

massive surge of adult male migrants from across globe.

Men tend to be risk takers. That is why women on the average live longer. Women outnumber men by a ratio of 2-to-1 in age group 90-99 years and ratio of 3-to-1 for centenarians. The sex ratio at birth is 104.9 boys per 100 girls.

 

[Danthemailman]

Wow. Surely that isn't your best or most serious response, right?

Good example of why I can't take liberals seriously. Whenever I mention the illegal immigration invasion crisis, we have in America to a liberal they will typically say, (in a crafty way) "God has a few things to say about welcoming strangers" yet they ignore that God has a few things to say about transgressing the law of the land. These folks don't care about what's right or the future of America. They only care about the left-wing narrative.

 

[JustOneWay]

Good example of why I can't take liberals seriously.

You keep saying this, yet here you are trying to be relevant while posting your right-wing narrative....

Whenever I mention the illegal immigration invasion crisis we have in America to a liberal they will typically say, (in a crafty way) "God has a few things to say about welcoming strangers" yet they ignore that God has a few things to say about ransgressing the law of the land. These folks don't care about whats right or the future of America. They only care about the left wing narrative.

Just saying 'illegal immigration' is vague and lacking substance. Most of these people are seeking asylum, which is a legal request.

You talk of God's words of rangressing (sic) the law of the land, yet never seem to mention when right-wingers rangressing (sic) the law of the land, which demonstrates your uncaring for the future of America other than stopping poor people at the border. I take conservatives seriously, but the ones like you I can't because all they do is push their right-wing narrative while dabbling in conspiracy and innuendo.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The Biden administration has promised to increase the use of the expedited removal authority

This is a fancy way of saying "He's promised to start enforcing the existing laws".

He isn't enforcing laws, that's part of the crisis.

-- and has requested resources to do so as part of its $14 billion supplemental request to Congress for border operations, including staffing and non-custodial housing.

No. Non-custodial housing means the illegals who are here illegally will get housing while our own citizens are sleeping homeless on the streets.

This should be a hard no.

Negotiations are ongoing in Congress over that supplemental, with Republicans wanting to see stricter asylum standards and limits on the administration’s use of humanitarian parole.

They clearly need to fix asylum...and Republicans are willing to let the Biden administration do this and take credit for it. The fact that they aren't shows how dysfunctional our government is.

However, some Senate Democrats have said that they would only agree to such policy changes if they were tied to an amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S.

No. A promise to enforce the law and fix asylum shouldn't be tied to allowing the millions profiting off our broken asylum system to remain here....despite no clear need for asylum.

These people didn't seek asylum anywhere else before applying here. They don't deserve asylum...nor amnesty.

The Democratic Party is unbelievably crooked.

The Biden administration has said it is dealing with a Hemisphere-wide crisis and needs Congress to act to provide more funding for the border processes, while since 2021 it has been calling on Republicans to support a comprehensive immigration bill it unveiled on day one of the administration. That too would include a sweeping amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants.

That is a no. There's no reason to give these people asylum. What "hemisphere wide crisis" are we talking about? Is half the earth in danger of disappearing?

Republicans have rejected that legislation, and instead introduced a bill of their own which would increase border security funding while increasing limits on asylum and the use of humanitarian parole.

Seems entirely reasonable.

Republicans have blamed the ongoing crisis on the policies of the administration -- including its rollback of Trump-era policies.

Which is entirely true. There's no "hemisphere wide crisis"....that's made up nonsense.

Similarly, the Border Patrol union has repeatedly blamed the administration, putting the surge in Lukeville down to an "open invitation" by the Biden administration.

Obviously. These people ran on the idea that Trump was lying about immigration and can't admit they were lying about immigration.

"It takes a toll on the men and women [of Border Patrol] that are out there putting their lives on the line each and every day," The National Border Patrol Council's Art Del Cueto told Fox News.

In situations that are clearly too dangerous for whatever they get paid.

But whatever the cause, the border remains in a historic crisis with records being broken at every turn. There were more than 2.4 million migrant encounters in FY 23, a new record. September saw a record for encounters at the southern border, while October saw a record for encounters in October -- with more than 240,000 encounters border-wide.

This administration and the people defending it on this issue are a disgrace. Admitting you were wrong shouldn't be this difficult.

 

[Ana the Ist]

They are already wealthy and hard workers but also coming here to take menial jobs and sponge off the government? The arguments against migrants are getting more bizarre.

Especially when people make them up and pretend they are real because they can't think of any logical, rational reasons to defend what the government is currently doing.

Imagine how dumb you'd have to be to think that student loans should be forgiven...because they are too expensive, too high interest, and the jobs one gets after acquiring a diploma don't justify the expense of the loan. College educated citizens are struggling to find good jobs...

Also, people coming here with no money, no education, can't speak the language, and need billions in aid are also positive contributors to the economy. They aren't draining the economy or depressing wages....no, they're an economic boost.

Those are actual beliefs that people on the left hold....at the same time.....

You'd have to be
1. Insane
2. Ignorant
3. Lying.

That's really all anyone can conclude. Those two beliefs don't go hand in hand. You don't have to be a logical, rational person or have some expertise on these issues....you would only need common sense to understand this.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That's not "the left". That's the federal government. You know, the one with jurisdiction on the international border.

The one that isn't enforcing the laws and the one that is responsible for this problem.

The one no one should support in 2024.

 

[Ana the Ist]

People keep saying they are illegal.

They are. Only two possibilities exist on the question of whether or not you are here legally.

Legal...and illegal.

Asylum seekers are here illegally. They simply aren't deportable until they've had their day in court....which in some cases, is years away. In NYC it sounds like it could be as many as 10 years away.

Until that judgment, which either grants or denies them asylum....they are here illegally.

Most of these people are seeking asylum, which would make them legal guests.

No...it makes them illegal guests...and because we've overwhelmed the asylum system with them....they'll remain illegal guests.

Sure, find the illegal ones and escort them out...

Biden isn't even doing that. He has restricted the department (ICE) responsible for doing that....from doing it. He has ordered them to only remove those who have felony records of violence.

This is 100% the fault of Biden and his administration. They aren't deporting people who have been denied asylum.

Frankly, given the number of false claims....we shouldn't be accepting anyone requesting asylum.

You have migrants openly stating they had it better in their home nations and wish they could return...but they can't afford to fly home. They clearly lied about needing asylum. They clearly broke the law to simply get into the US expecting aid and opportunities.

What should happen to the millions who are engaged in fraud by lying about needing asylum in your opinion?

Should they be thrown in jail?

Should they be deported?

What do you think?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Oh, I see the problem! You can’t tell the difference between yourself and others. You are factually incorrect that they are synonymous.

You would have to be able to understand and recognize Marxism to say that truthfully.

Marxism, sadly, takes advantage of many dumb and ignorant people to further their agendas, gain power, and profit.

For example, the BLM leaders were trained Marxists by admission. It's not a rumor....they admitted to being Marxists in an interview. They engaged in obvious Marxist tactics. They profited off of people too ignorant to understand that they are Marxists who clearly didn't care about black lives, or police, or anyone but themselves.

You can say that the people who were duped by these Marxists didn't realize they were supporting Marxists and promoting a Marxist agenda....and I would agree. That's why they could confidently proclaim themselves "trained Marxists" and BLM didn't lose all it's support. They knew a lot of people have no clue what Marxism is or how it works....and they gave plenty of clues they were Marxists, right from the start.

So before you go dismissing claims about people on the left being Marxists....do you even understand what Marxism is and how it works?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, they are, it's contradictory to call leftists fascist if you're going by what that ideology consists of rather than using the word as nothing more than a slur for something you do not like.

It's not really contradictory.

Fascism has a founding document and it was written by Mussolini.

I've read it...but I'm guessing you haven't. Fascism is a very right wing political viewpoint at the international and military levels....but it's entirely left wing within the nation itself. It's believes in social justice and collectivism over individualism. It believes in social welfare over individual welfare and state welfare above all. The individual is not a matter of concern to the fascist state...and deserves rights and benefits in relation to only what they can offer the whole of society and the nation itself.

It is very much a marriage of socialism and nationalism in a monocultural imperialistic nation.

 

[eclipsenow]

Don't worry - Trump will fix it when he gets in.
"Those Others" (sociological term) are something he delights in attacking - like a certain brown-shirted man with the narrow moustache, targetting "The other" is a classic Fascist playbook.
So if someone believes Trump - and takes comfort in his plan to FIX immigration - they should also take comfort in the fact that he's going to permanently FIX everything else as well! You'll never hear anyone complain or protest again. They won't be allowed to - and won't be dumb enough to. Because any rivals will be charged with insurrection and he'll send the American military up against them on home soil!

 

[Danthemailman]

They are. Only two possibilities exist on the question of whether or not you are here legally.

Legal...and illegal.

Asylum seekers are here illegally. They simply aren't deportable until they've had their day in court....which in some cases, is years away. In NYC it sounds like it could be as many as 10 years away.

Until that judgment, which either grants or denies them asylum....they are here illegally.

No...it makes them illegal guests...and because we've overwhelmed the asylum system with them....they'll remain illegal guests.

Biden isn't even doing that. He has restricted the department (ICE) responsible for doing that....from doing it. He has ordered them to only remove those who have felony records of violence.

This is 100% the fault of Biden and his administration. They aren't deporting people who have been denied asylum.

Frankly, given the number of false claims....we shouldn't be accepting anyone requesting asylum.

You have migrants openly stating they had it better in their home nations and wish they could return...but they can't afford to fly home. They clearly lied about needing asylum. They clearly broke the law to simply get into the US expecting aid and opportunities.

What should happen to the millions who are engaged in fraud by lying about needing asylum in your opinion?

Should they be thrown in jail?

Should they be deported?

What do you think?

You are a breath of fresh air to this toxic thread.

Keep up the good work and God bless you!

Dan

 

[DaisyDay]

They are. Only two possibilities exist on the question of whether or not you are here legally.

Legal...and illegal.

Asylum seekers are here illegally. They simply aren't deportable until they've had their day in court....which in some cases, is years away. In NYC it sounds like it could be as many as 10 years away.

Until that judgment, which either grants or denies them asylum....they are here illegally.






No...it makes them illegal guests...and because we've overwhelmed the asylum system with them....they'll remain illegal guests.




Biden isn't even doing that. He has restricted the department (ICE) responsible for doing that....from doing it. He has ordered them to only remove those who have felony records of violence.

This is 100% the fault of Biden and his administration. They aren't deporting people who have been denied asylum.

Frankly, given the number of false claims....we shouldn't be accepting anyone requesting asylum.

You have migrants openly stating they had it better in their home nations and wish they could return...but they can't afford to fly home. They clearly lied about needing asylum. They clearly broke the law to simply get into the US expecting aid and opportunities.

What should happen to the millions who are engaged in fraud by lying about needing asylum in your opinion?

Should they be thrown in jail?

Should they be deported?

What do you think?

Lols, still not a synonym.

 

[stereodanny]

They are. Only two possibilities exist on the question of whether or not you are here legally.

Legal...and illegal.

Asylum seekers are here illegally. They simply aren't deportable until they've had their day in court....which in some cases, is years away. In NYC it sounds like it could be as many as 10 years away.

Until that judgment, which either grants or denies them asylum....they are here illegally.






No...it makes them illegal guests...and because we've overwhelmed the asylum system with them....they'll remain illegal guests.




Biden isn't even doing that. He has restricted the department (ICE) responsible for doing that....from doing it. He has ordered them to only remove those who have felony records of violence.

This is 100% the fault of Biden and his administration. They aren't deporting people who have been denied asylum.

Frankly, given the number of false claims....we shouldn't be accepting anyone requesting asylum.

You have migrants openly stating they had it better in their home nations and wish they could return...but they can't afford to fly home. They clearly lied about needing asylum. They clearly broke the law to simply get into the US expecting aid and opportunities.

What should happen to the millions who are engaged in fraud by lying about needing asylum in your opinion?

Should they be thrown in jail?

Should they be deported?

What do you think?

I stumbled across this thread and was stunned at this post of pure falsehood.

Biden issued a rule in February 2023 that anyone denied asylum who entered the country illegally had to be deported, immediately.

A judge ruled it was not legal but gave the Biden admin time to appeal.

He issued a memo of enforcement to ICE saying that officers should get the preapproval of a senior officer before deporting anyone "who is not a recent border crosser, a national security threat or a criminal offender with an aggravated-felony conviction," but that does not mean they couldn't be deported. It was meant as a way to prioritize strained resources at the most urgent and dangerous threats.

I don't know where you got your information but Biden "ordering ICE to only remove those who have felony records of violence" is pure nonsense and does this thread a disservice. In fact the evidence shows Biden has been hardly much more forgiving than Trump, and the surge in border crossings was directly caused by conditions in other countries and the end of COVID restrictions.

Under Trump, ICE officers were deporting immigrants after mundane traffic stops, separating families from parents who had been in the country for a decade or more—and yet, fewer illegal immigrants were deported under him than even in Obama's years.

Biden's most recent border deal that basically gave Republicans everything they wanted included a proviso that revamped the asylum process where seekers would remain in their home country during the asylum process.

They're still coming here because that bill hasn't been passed by the Republican House.

Asylum acceptance rate remains at about 12%, same as it was under Obama and Trump.