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101 Preterist Time-Indicators

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by random person, Nov 18, 2014.

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    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    101 Preterist Time-Indicators for the Second Coming of Christ​


    by David Green​

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    1. "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." (Matt. 3:2)

    2. "Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?" (Matt. 3:7)

    3. "The axe is already laid at the root of the trees." (Matt. 3:10)

    4. "His winnowing fork is in His hand." (Matt. 3:12)

    5. "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matt. 4:17)

    6. "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matt. 10:7)

    7. "You shall not finish going through the cities of Israel, until the Son of Man comes." (Matt. 10:23)

    8. "...the age about to come." (Matt. 12:32)

    9. "The Son of Man is about to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds." (Matt. 16:27)

    10. "There are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." (Matt. 16:28; cf. Mk. 9:1; Lk. 9:27)

    11. "'When the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?' '...He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers, who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.' '...Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and be given to a nation producing the fruit of it.' ...When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them." (Matt. 21:40-41,43,45)

    12. "This generation will not pass away until all these things take place." (Matt. 24:34)

    13. "From now on, you [Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin] shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matt. 26:64; Mk. 14:62; Lk. 22:69)

    14. "The kingdom of God is at hand." (Mk. 1:15)

    15. "What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vine-growers, and will give the vineyard to others. ...They [the chief priests, scribes and elders] understood that He spoke the parable against them." (Mk. 12:9,12)

    16. "This generation will not pass away until all these things take place." (Mk. 13:30)

    17. "Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?" (Lk. 3:7)

    18. "The axe is already laid at the root of the trees." (Lk. 3:9)

    19. "His winnowing fork is in His hand..." (Lk. 3:17)

    20. "The kingdom of God has come near to you." (Lk. 10:9)

    21. "The kingdom of God has come near." (Lk. 10:11)

    22. "What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others." ...The scribes and the chief priests...understood that He spoke this parable against them." (Lk. 20:15-16,19)

    23. "These are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Lk. 21:22)

    24. "This generation will not pass away until all things take place." (Lk. 21:32)

    25. "Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.' Then they will begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us,' and to the hills, 'Cover us.'" (Lk. 23:28-30; Compare Rev. 6:14-17)

    26. "We were hoping that He was the One who is about to redeem Israel." (Lk. 24:21)

    27. "I will come to you. ...In that Day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.' ...'Lord, what then has happened that You are about to disclose Yourself to us, and not to the world?'" (Jn. 14:18,20,22)

    28. "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?" (Jn. 21:22)

    29. "This is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 'And it shall be in the last days...'" (Acts 2:16-17)

    30. "He has fixed a day in which He is about to judge the world in righteousness..." (Acts 17:31)

    31. "There is about to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." (Acts 24:15)

    32. "As he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment about to come..." (Acts 24:25)

    33. "Not for [Abraham's] sake only was it written, that [faith] was reckoned to him [as righteousness], but for our sake also, to whom it is about to be reckoned." (Rom. 4:23-24)

    34. "If you are living according to the flesh, you are about to die." (Rom. 8:13)

    35. "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us." (Rom. 8:18)

    36. "It is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. The night is almost gone, and the day is at hand." (Rom. 13:11-12)

    37. "The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet." (Rom. 16:20)

    38. "The time has been shortened." (I Cor. 7:29)

    39. "The form of this world is passing away." (I Cor. 7:31)

    40. "Now these things ...were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come." (I Cor. 10:11)

    41. "We shall not all fall sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed." (I Cor. 15:51-52)

    42. "Maranatha!" [The Lord comes!] (I Cor. 16:22)

    43. "...not only in this age, but also in the one about to come." (Eph. 1:21)

    44. "The Lord is near." (Phil. 4:5)

    45. "The gospel ...was proclaimed in all creation under heaven." (Col. 1:23; Compare Matt. 24:14; Rom. 10:18; 16:26; Col. 1:5-6; II Tim. 4:17; Rev. 14:6-7; cf. I Clement 5,7)

    46. "...things which are a shadow of what is about to come." (Col. 2:16-17)

    47. "...we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord... We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds... ...You, brethren, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief." (I Thess. 4:15,17; 5:4)

    48. "May your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (I Thess. 5:23)

    49. "It is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire." (II Thess. 1:6-7)

    50. "Godliness ...holds promise for the present life and that which is about to come." (I Tim. 4:8)

    51. "I charge you ...that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ." (I Tim. 6:14)

    52. "...storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for that which is about to come, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed." (I Tim. 6:19)

    53. "In the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self... ...Avoid these men. For of these are those who enter into households and captivate weak women... ...These also oppose the truth... ...But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all..." (II Tim. 3:1-2,5-6,8-9)

    54. "I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is about to judge the living and the dead..." (II Tim. 4:1)

    55. "God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son." (Heb. 1:1-2)

    56. "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who are about to inherit salvation?" (Heb. 1:14)

    57. "He did not subject to angels the world about to come." (Heb. 2:5)

    58. "...and have tasted ...the powers of the age about to come." (Heb. 6:5)

    59. "For ground that drinks the rain which often falls upon it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near a curse, and it's end is for burning." (Heb. 6:7-8)

    60. "When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Heb. 8:13)

    61. "The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way of the [heavenly] Holy Places has not yet been revealed, while the outer tabernacle is still standing, which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation." (Heb. 9:8-10; Compare Gal. 4:19; Eph. 2:21-22; 3:17; 4:13)

    62. "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things about to come..." (Heb. 9:11)

    63. "Now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin." (Heb. 9:26)

    64. "For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things about to come..." (Heb. 10:1)

    65. "...as you see the Day drawing near." (Heb. 10:25)

    66. "...the fury of a fire which is about to consume the adversaries." (Heb. 10:27)

    67. "For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay." (Heb. 10:37)

    68. "For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the one that is about to come." (Heb. 13:14)

    69. "Speak and so act, as those who are about to be judged by the law of liberty." (Jms. 2:12)

    70. "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. ...It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure!" (Jms. 5:1,3)

    71. "Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord." (Jms. 5:7)

    72. "You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand." (Jms. 5:8)

    73. "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (I Peter 1:6)

    74. "He ...has appeared in these last times for the sake of you." (I Peter 1:20)

    75. "They shall give account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead." (I Peter 4:5)

    76. "The end of all things is at hand; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer." (I Peter 4:7)

    77. "For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God." (I Peter 4:17)

    78. "...as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is about to be revealed." (I Peter 5:1)

    79. "We have the prophetic word ...which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the Day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts." (II Peter 1:19)

    80. "Their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." (II Peter 2:3)

    81. "In the last days mockers will come. ...For this they willingly are ignorant of..." (I Peter 3:3,5)

    82. "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God." (II Peter 3:10-12)

    83. "The darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining." (I Jn. 2:8)

    84. "The world is passing away, and its desires." (I Jn. 2:17)

    85. "It is the last hour." (I Jn. 2:18)

    86. "Even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour." (I Jn. 2:18; Compare Matt. 24:23-34)

    87. "This is that of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." (I Jn. 4:3; Compare II Thess. 2:7)

    88. "For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation. ...About these also Enoch ...prophesied, saying, 'Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly...'" (Jude 1:4,14-15)

    89. "But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they were saying to you, 'In the last time there shall be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.' These are the ones who cause divisions..." (Jude 1:17-19)

    90. "...to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place." (Rev. 1:1)

    91. "The time is near." (Rev. 1:3)

    92. "Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come." (Rev. 2:25)

    93. "I also will keep you from the hour of testing which is about to come upon the whole world." (Rev. 3:10)

    94. "I am coming quickly." (Rev. 3:11)

    95. "And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is about to rule all the nations with a rod of iron." (Rev. 12:5)

    96. "And in her [the Great City Babylon] was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth." (Rev. 18:24; Compare Matt. 23:35-36; Lk. 11:50-51)

    97. "...to show to His bond-servants the things which must shortly take place." (Rev. 22:6)

    98. "Behold, I am coming quickly." (Rev. 22:7)

    99. "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near." (Rev. 22:10; Compare Dan. 8:26)

    100. "Behold, I am coming quickly." (Rev. 22:12)

    101. "Yes, I am coming quickly." (Rev. 22:20)



    101 Preterist Time-Indicators by David Green

    Who thought that was quite eye-opening, how many of these passages are addressing their contemporary audiences and readers, rather than some audience and reader 2,000 years into the future?

    Context, folks, context. How did the contemporary audience and readers read these epistles and passages when they were written and distributed throughout the 1st century Palestine and the Roman Empire?






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  2. n2thelight

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    Why are people still falling asleep(dying)and where is the change?
     
  3. n2thelight

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    Revelation 16:21 "And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

    The Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70ad,however the armies that come against her in the end gets defeated by God Himself

    Do tell,when did this happen :confused:
     
  4. Rev20

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    Where did you get the notion that Jerusalem was the target of the final battle? The final battle is against the Church, and it happens world-wide. Read carefully:

    "And [Satan's armies] went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." -- Rev 20:9

    1. breadth of the earth = entire earth, by definition

    2. camp of the saints = Holy Temple (Eph 21:19-22)

    3. beloved city = Church (Eph 5:25; Heb 12:22-24)

    4. nature of battle = no physical battle, whatsoever.
    :)
     
  5. riverrat

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    But, but, but, preterists are not allowed here. What a joke!
     
  6. Rev20

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    Partial preterists are allowed. No joke!

    Dispensationalists are also allowed, even though they are unorthodox. No joke!

    :)
     
  7. ebedmelech

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    The "joke" is, that despite the many times it's been explained to you, you want to lump all forms of preterism together. So you continue in you own ignorance.

    At least gain an understanding. Perhaps this will help you:

    12.2.1. Types of Preterism Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ
     
  8. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    Here is some more passages to consider for comparative reasons:

    Group A​


    And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples. Matthew 26:18

    Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Matthew 26:45

    Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me. Matthew 26:46

    And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. John 2:13

    Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand. John 7:2

    And the Jews' passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves. John 11:55


    Group B​


    Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Phil. 4:5

    That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2 Thess. 2:2

    But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 1 Peter 4:7

    Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. Revelation 1:3

    And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. Revelation 22:10



    So is it "at hand" or not "at hand"?

    Don't forget to apply audience relevance to these passages!
     
  9. n2thelight

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    The beloved city is Jerusalem
     
  10. Rev20

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    WRONG! The beloved city is heavenly New Jerusalem.
     
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    Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

    Please tell me how they compassed the hevenly jerusalem.....So fire came down out of heaven,to heaven :confused:

    WoW Ive heard it all!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. Jipsah

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    Seen any Roman legionaries lately? ;)
     
  13. n2thelight

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    THE GREAT TRIBULATION CANNOT FIT THE FIRST CENTURY

    A study of the Great Tribulation (“the Time of Jacob’s Trouble” according to Jeremiah 30.7) shows that this period did not occur in the first century. There are a number of reasons why the Great Tribulation, as it is described to us in the scriptures, could not have taken place in the first century, and did not take place, given the historical record that we have. It is wrong to try to “force” this prophesied event into the first century if it did not indeed actually happen during the first century.
    Some Reasons Why The Great Tribulation (The Time of Jacob’s Trouble) Cannot Fit The First Century:

    (1) There was no "beast" in the first century, who caused all of the inhabitants of the earth to receive a mark in their forehead or in their right hand so that they could buy or sell (Revelation 13.15-18). Such a commandment to the Jews would have caused a widescale riot because of the Scriptural prohibition against receiving marks in the flesh (Leviticus 19.28). The technological capacity did not exist.

    (2) There are no historical reports of the ministry of the Two Witnesses, with the astounding Old Testament miraculous signs done by them, fire being called down from heaven, water into blood, plagues upon the masses of humanity, etc. (Revelation 11.3-7).

    (3) There are no historical reports of the public murder of these Two Witnesses in the city of Jerusalem in the first century, which was witnessed and rejoiced over worldwide by the nations (Revelation 11.8-11). The communications and technological ability did not then exist as it does today.

    (4) There are no historical reports of the public resurrection of these Two Witnesses (Revelation 11.11,12).

    (5) There are no historical reports of a great earthquake in Jerusalem immediately following the public resurrection and ascension of these Two Witnesses, which is a public event.
    There are many other notable events prophesied to occur during the time of the "great tribulation" period. If this already happened in the first century, we should expect some historical evidence pertaining to this, other than the corrupted report of the Roman sycophant Josephus, which does not (even with its Catholic interpretations) satisfy any of these prophecies.

    The Danger Of Preterism William B
     
  14. Rev20

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    This article demonstrates the dangers and deceit of futurism: start with a false narrative, and run with it.

    There most certainly was such a beast in the first century. His title was the "Emperor of the Roman Empire", and his name was Nero (translated "666",) who had the dubious distinction of fulfilling these prophecies:

    "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." -- Rev 13:5-7

    Nero, who ruled the entire world, persecuted the early Christians (the real SAINTS) for 42 months before committing suicide when Roman soldiers arrived at his door to arrest him.

    What better proof do you want? Must Jesus hit you over the head with a stick?

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  15. Rev20

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    You are both a dispensationalist and confused; but I repeat myself. All Christians know that the Church has both a heavenly and earthly part. Have you been to Church lately?

    :)
     
  16. riverrat

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    Wow, what arrogance, especially for one that calls himself a Christian!
     
  17. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    Why did Jesus say the Kingdom of God is at hand but also the Kingdom of God is within you?
     
  18. Rev20

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    I agree. Futurists, and dispensationalists in particular, are incredibly arrogant and condescending.

    :)
     
  19. random person

    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    The book is symbolic, and don't forget there are two marks spoken of in Revelation.

    The Mark of the Beast

    and The Mark of God (Revelation 7:2-3)



    Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:

    That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

    Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.

    Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

    And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

    And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

    And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

    And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.








    But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. John 19:15
     
  20. n2thelight

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    Nero wasn’t the Antichrist because he committed suicide instead of being cast alive into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20). Nero didn’t track all buying and selling. And Nero didn’t force people to take the Mark of the Beast.

    Try again
     
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