10 Scientific Facts Evolution is Wrong

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Why are all people with the oneness icon crazy, and where do I sign up?

So where do I deselect the icon? I can stand quite easily on my own "crazy"

I don't know about you but I've seen a lot of crazy ideas come to physical fruition in the past few decades.


It is said truth is stranger than fiction and that it is vehemently opposed when first presented...I consider your reaction par for the course.



If you want to sign up, you can start by wrestling me in these concepts rather than appeal to ridicule.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

I know what you mean. Once you've seen this sort of thing it's kind of hard for it to be unseen. I'm supposed to be rational and here I am experiencing something strange that seems more real than real.

What is "real"? The atoms that you and I are made of are the lightest of 3 density levels the universe can sustain. And even they are 99.999999% empty space as atoms.

There are 2 heavier types, we interact with and collect both. The 2nd heavier matter type we collect we call "emotions", the "3rd" we call "presence of mind".

Denser, more compact substances always passes/cuts through lighter, less compact substance.

Presence of mind overcome emotional inertia, emotional inertia overcomes physical matter.


The reason why people have "buttons" that can be pushed is because they've collected "dark matter" that can be destabilized into movement....often by a single stark remark by those with presence of mind, unimpressed by collections of physical matter or showy exteriors.


The entire physical cosmos is directly over lapped by 2 other space time fields and entangled with 3 others. We are in the "gathered earth" realm, around us is the "waters" it was gathered from.

There is a "hammered out plate" (firmament) between the 3 lower matter "Days" (bends of space-time) in the universe and the 3 upper antimatter space-time bends.

The 6 nested bends of space time appear as wheels within wheels.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No this was while out of body.

You know when you first wake up in the morning and someone tosses open a shade to let the sun shine directly into your eyes? It was like that only the sun was standing a few feet away from me.

After a conversation in man form, I asked to see Him in his true form. He said I was not ready. I said "please, I'll even close me eyes, just let me feel your true form." He agreed.

And so I closed my eyes, he changed, and darkness turned to light as I could nearly see through my eyelids. I could feel a steady wind coming from Him blowing through me. I peeked. What I then saw could only be described as an unending atomic bomb explosion in the shape of a man. Like a white hole in space in the shape of a man, firing unstoppable energy and force outwards in all directions. It was all awe.

Then a booming voice from all around said. "Be careful, you are burning creation." which I understood to mean me.

I closed my eyes and apologized. He laughed and resumed a human form. A black man.



That was about it. =)

Another time I encountered God in spirit, She appeared as the face of the most beautiful and loving woman and it took up half the sky. I "eeked" and covered my eyes real quick, she chuckled and left. I wasn't ready again.

If no drugs were involved then your hallucinations are cause for concern.

 

[Nithavela]

So where do I deselect the icon? I can stand quite easily on my own "crazy"

I don't know about you but I've seen a lot of crazy ideas come to physical fruition in the past few decades.

It is said truth is stranger than fiction and that it is vehemently opposed when first presented...I consider your reaction par for the course.

If you want to sign up, you can start by wrestling me in these concepts rather than appeal to ridicule.

I'm a discordianist, so crazy ideas that come to creative ends are just right up my alley. I don't like wrestling, though. But I like fighting.

 

[Gracchus]

And what am I when I use the Bible as my source? (Please hold your answer to two or three; and respect site rules.)

Perhaps, if you are worshiping the image of a graven image, (the printed book commonly called the Bible) you might be an idolater, and if the book is not actually inerrant or your interpretation is erroneous, you might be a heretic, and if you actually believe that God actually ordered the murder of children and the rape of virgins, you might be guilty of blasphemy. Perhaps!

Have you considered the possibilities?

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

If no drugs were involved then your hallucinations are cause for concern.

You mean like natural DMT production by my pineal gland?

I take it you have never stilled you mind enough to exit your physical body volitionally? You do it most every night non-volitionally and call it "dreaming". Can you sit down in your "dream", look around and announce to the environment that you have no agenda and are ready to learn? Pretty amazing things happen to me when I take the time to do this.

The fastest I ever achieved it was after about an hour of free form kung fu and power breathing. I laid down and popped out of body with ease in about 45 seconds. I had gathered all the "chi" (astral/dark matter) I needed to compose a vehicle for travel in that state, all I had to do was relax and intend.


From there the "physical world" become malleable to your consciousness and other consciousnesses. Because you are in a denser realm with a denser body and you can pass through walls because they are light and fluffy matter compared to you. But the more you think about it, the harder they are to pass through, like molasses. If you are thinking of what is on the other side, you pass through like it was a cloud.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

I'm a discordianist, so crazy ideas that come to creative ends are just right up my alley. I don't like wrestling, though. But I like fighting.

Ah, nice! I'm an Arborist. I wrestle with trees most days to avoid plummeting to my death...helps pay the bills. My alleys are all supra-symmetric fractals half hidden in the dirt. But the last couple of years have been bumper fruit crops so things are looking up!


I prune and harvest daily, but mostly I just split wood and carry water.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

You mean like natural DMT production by my pineal gland?

I take it you have never stilled you mind enough to exit your physical body volitionally? You do it most every night non-volitionally and call it "dreaming". Can you sit down in your "dream", look around and announce to the environment that you have no agenda and are ready to learn? Pretty amazing things happen to me when I take the time to do this.

The fastest I ever achieved it was after about an hour of free form kung fu and power breathing. I laid down and popped out of body with ease in about 45 seconds. I had gathered all the "chi" (astral/dark matter) I needed to compose a vehicle for travel in that state, all I had to do was relax and intend.


From there the "physical world" become malleable to your consciousness and other consciousnesses. Because you are in a denser realm with a denser body and you can pass through walls because they are light and fluffy matter compared to you. But the more you think about it, the harder they are to pass through, like molasses. If you are thinking of what is on the other side, you pass through like it was a cloud.

I remember reading that out of body experiences can be easily achieved in isolation tanks, but no one is suggesting that it is anything more than something the mind creates in reaction to certain conditions. The sort of hallucinations you describe are more akin to those produced by psychedelic drugs, but if you are not taking drugs then the closest that I know about would be a form of temporal lobe epilepsy which apparently creates similar types of hallucinations. There is of course also schizophrenia or bipolar manic episodes, but we'll skirt over those for the moment. The key point is that what is experienced is not real. It is a product of one's mind either through external stimuli or malfunction. It is hardly surprising that when the mind starts inventing its own reality, that has no connection with external reality, it seems very real: that is what the mind does. But don't read too much into it. It isn't real. That you are experiencing this without knowing why is cause for concern. Something is misfiring somewhere. Finding out the prosaic reason for the malfunction is more interesting than the hallucinations themselves.

 

[Nithavela]

The key point is that what is experienced is not real. It is a product of one's mind either through external stimuli or malfunction. It is hardly surprising that when the mind starts inventing its own reality, that has no connection with external reality, it seems very real: that is what the mind does. But don't read too much into it. It isn't real.

I guess that depends on your definition of real. I may feel pain, but you don't feel it. Does that mean it is not real?

If it is, why aren't those 'hallucinations' not real? They are experienced, so if they are experienced with the same realism as the wall you run against and hurt your nose, how do you know that they are less real then the wall?

 

[Nithavela]

Ah, nice! I'm an Arborist. I wrestle with trees most days to avoid plummeting to my death...helps pay the bills. My alleys are all supra-symmetric fractals half hidden in the dirt. But the last couple of years have been bumper fruit crops so things are looking up!

I prune and harvest daily, but mostly I just split wood and carry water.

I'm far lazier. I'm a chemist, so I just drive the molecules to do my bidding.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I guess that depends on your definition of real. I may feel pain, but you don't feel it. Does that mean it is not real?

Of course not, but physical pain without physical cause would be worrying would it not? But it is not how subjectively real something is that is the issue, it is why the mind is creating a subjective reality unconnected with the external physical world that is of interest. And we know there are quite a number of causes for that.

If it is, why aren't those 'hallucinations' not real?

Again, the subjective reality of hallucinations is not the issue. No one doubts that they feel real, sometimes even more real than normal reality, but, no, hallucinations are not real. Ask anyone who has taken a psychedelic drug and seen walls dissolving and swirling, coloured patterns of lights and faces changing and time expanding and all the other effects. These hallucinations are not real however real they feel to the person experiencing them.

They are experienced, so if they are experienced with the same realism as the wall you run against and hurt your nose, how do you know that they are less real then the wall?

Ask the guy with his mind unravelling who really, really imagines he can fly and jumps out of an upstairs window.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And what is your metric for "health"?

Very varried. When people claim to have real-life conversations with gods however, that does not fall under my definition of "health". It sounds more like "hallucination".

I'm sure you are familiar with the saying "if you talk to god, you are just praying. but if god talks back, you suffer from schizofrenia".

I did not hallucinate these things while in body

Those who hallucinate rarely realise it.

I have gone out of body by my own volition, and have been taken out and shown things by more powerful beings.

Yep. Just like others have been taken from their bedroom by a great white light after which they got anal probed on a space ship.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Would you say the world at large is a good measure of sanity?

Not necessarily, no.
If you know only 10 people and 9 of them are irrational, then the one rational person doesn't become "irrational" purely because he is outnumbered by the actual irrational.

I smell an argument from popularity.

Was I unclear about the compact spatial nature of quark matter vs atomic matter? Or the comparison of God similarly to the universe?

You were unclear about everything, because you are using words with specific meanings in scientific fields and then used them in totally different ways. To me, it's just another religious nonsensical statement that uses sciency-sounding words to generate "buzz" as if it is to be taken seriously.

Much like Deepak Chopra's constant word salad ramblings while dropping the word "quantum" 25 times per sentence, without actually talking about anything related to quantum physics.

What happens to the earth and life when the heliopause is gone and we are exposed to cosmic particle winds?

It will probably end as we know it. Your point?

Try make more sense

It's a direct analogy to the nonsense you were spewing. It's typical teleological nonsense. "ow look at how perfect the distance from the sun is, look at how perfect the magnetic field stops the radiation, look at how much blablabla I can generate!"

The location and state of the earth relates to us in exactly the same way as the location and state of a pond relates to frogs.

The frogs are there because the pond is. Not the other way round. If the pond wasn't there, neither would the frog. The frog adapted to the pond, the pond wasn't put there FOR the frog.

We are here only because the situation on this planet allowed for us to be here. If the earth was closer to the sun, we wouldn't be here. If it was much further to the sun, we wouldn't be here.

To sum up, as unsatisfying as this may sound to many, the answer to the question of "why are things the way they are?" is quite simply "because we are here to talk about them".

It's just how things happened to play out in this small corner of the milky way, which sits in its small corner of the universe. If it had turned out otherwise, we wouldn't be here to talk about it.

The scientific evidence based method is in adequate to explore these places. Other methods are required. Here is what the physics department of the university of Oregon has to say

The physics department of any self-respecting university works according to the scientific method. If the scientific method can't reach a satisfying explanation, there is no other method that can do a better job. It's the best that we have.

Physics of the early Universe is at the boundary of astronomy and philosophy

Philosophy? Seriously? Philosophy has nothing, nada, zilch to contribute to modern physics. Nothing at all. Philosphy is a bunch of men sitting in a chair and "thinking" about stuff. You don't answer scientific questions about the nature of the universe by "thinking about it".

Philosophy is a worthless subject when talking about the natural sciences.

In addition, there is no possibility of linking observation or experimentation of early Universe physics to our theories (i.e. it's not possible to `build' another Universe).

You should read up about what they do in places like the LHC. It's literally designed to recreate the conditions of the early universe. And by early, I do mean the very first moments.

Our theories are rejected or accepted based on simplicity and aesthetic grounds

That is simply false. Scientists might have a preference for simple and elegant explanations, but there is no requirement that they need to be. Often times, they aren't. Take genetics. It would be neat and "simple" if every gene was responsible for a single effect, but it's not. Instead, it's a very complicated spaghetti. Plenty of different things are related to one another.

The same goes for any other field. Sometimes, the simplest and most elegant explanation simply is not the correct one.

plus their power of prediction to later times, rather than an appeal to empirical results

Dude......... if theory A makes testable prediction B, which then is tested and confirmed... how is that NOT empirical???

This is a very difference way of doing science from previous centuries of research.

No, it's not. It's positing hypothesis that makes testable predictions and then empirically testing those predictions.

 

[bhsmte]

So where do I deselect the icon? I can stand quite easily on my own "crazy"

I don't know about you but I've seen a lot of crazy ideas come to physical fruition in the past few decades.


It is said truth is stranger than fiction and that it is vehemently opposed when first presented...I consider your reaction par for the course.



If you want to sign up, you can start by wrestling me in these concepts rather than appeal to ridicule.

At times, actual truth can be stranger than fiction. That is, when the actual truth can be verified with objective evidence to determine it is the truth.

 

[bhsmte]

No this was while out of body.

You know when you first wake up in the morning and someone tosses open a shade to let the sun shine directly into your eyes? It was like that only the sun was standing a few feet away from me.

After a conversation in man form, I asked to see Him in his true form. He said I was not ready. I said "please, I'll even close me eyes, just let me feel your true form." He agreed.

And so I closed my eyes, he changed, and darkness turned to light as I could nearly see through my eyelids. I could feel a steady wind coming from Him blowing through me. I peeked. What I then saw could only be described as an unending atomic bomb explosion in the shape of a man. Like a white hole in space in the shape of a man, firing unstoppable energy and force outwards in all directions. It was all awe.

Then a booming voice from all around said. "Be careful, you are burning creation." which I understood to mean me.

I closed my eyes and apologized. He laughed and resumed a human form. A black man.



That was about it. =)

Another time I encountered God in spirit, She appeared as the face of the most beautiful and loving woman and it took up half the sky. I "eeked" and covered my eyes real quick, she chuckled and left. I wasn't ready again.

A part of me wants to respond to your statements honestly, but I would likely break forum rules if I did.

 

[bhsmte]

And what is your metric for "health"?

I did not hallucinate these things while in body. I have gone out of body by my own volition, and have been taken out and shown things by more powerful beings.

It is quite common, for people that do have hallucinations, to not think they are hallucinations. I am sure you were aware of that though.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Very varried. When people claim to have real-life conversations with gods however, that does not fall under my definition of "health". It sounds more like "hallucination".

I'm sure you are familiar with the saying "if you talk to god, you are just praying. but if god talks back, you suffer from schizofrenia".




Those who hallucinate rarely realise it.



Yep. Just like others have been taken from their bedroom by a great white light after which they got anal probed on a space ship.

I get into that state by a distinct series of volitional steps. If I do not complete them, I do not reach the state. I have repeated this over and over, even scientifically tested it by having my GF at the time put photos on the top of the dresser and I would pop out and report the details. I got most of details each time.

Like I said, the appearance of the physical become malleable in that state. I can manipulate it or ask it to respond. I have learned and experienced the most when I ask it to respond.

 

[bhsmte]

I get into that state by a distinct series of volitional steps. If I do not complete them, I do not reach the state. I have repeated this over and over, even scientifically tested it by having my GF at the time put photos on the top of the dresser and I would pop out and report the details. I got most of details each time.

Like I said, the appearance of the physical become malleable in that state. I can manipulate it or ask it to respond. I have learned and experienced the most when I ask it to respond.

Judging by your posts, I don't doubt, you are able to achieve some altered state of mind.

Some people are more capable of this than others and it is similar to some people being able to be hypnotized while others can not. There is a neuroscientist in Canada, who has supposedly created out of body experiences in people, by connecting them to a head cover that gives out magnetic impulses. Low and behold, these people experience things, that align with their own personal beliefs and life experiences.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

It is quite common, for people that do have hallucinations, to not think they are hallucinations. I am sure you were aware of that though.

If you achieve the same results through the same series of discreet steps, it is science, not hallucination.

 

[bhsmte]

If you achieve the same results through the same series of discreet steps, it is science, not hallucination.

Not quite.