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Experts are still not sure what the biblical genealogies meant or how they were used. Instead of claiming some dogmas about them, we should be open to various possibilities. They are no article of faith or of any creed.
Anyone not believing often and clearly stated facts about how long people lived and when they had children are not experts. They are unbelievers. If people claim Jesus really lived 80 years, that is not believing the record.
Yes, I know you believe that. But the thread isn't titled 'What do Christians who don't accept evolution believe?' I was explaining what Christians who do accept evolution believe, since the poster seemed to be confused about that, and since I'm one of those Christians. Why you felt it necessary to inject your beliefs here, when you've already stated them dozens of times in this thread, I don't know.
Fortunately, you don't get to decide who's an unbeliever. (You do, however, get to violate forum rules by saying that evolution-accepting Christians aren't really believers.)
Its not an article of faith, so believing or not believing the years are literal and precise and inspired has nothing to do with anything. And it seems to me you are unable to grasp the concept of open-mindedness. Its belief or unbelief, true or false, black or white, to you.
It's not just a matter of figures of speech. Rejecting the literal truth of some narrative statements in the Bible dates back to the church fathers, e.g. Gregory of Nyssa rejecting the historical truth of the plagues of Egypt, since to believe in their historicity would be both unreasonable and impious.
False either-or precisely because you are assuming that the creation account is literal. How is this not obvious? Do I not "accept" the moral truth communicated in a fable even knowing it is not a story that is literally true?
Yes it has to do with believing what the bible records. If the bible says Abraham dies at 175 years old, that is when he died. If the bible says Jesus lived 33 years that is how long He lived. If the bible says Simeon was old then that does not mean he was actually a toddler. If the bible says someone was stricken in years, that does not mean they were newborn. We do not get to fiddle with the numbers.
It is not open minded to reject Scripture and what is implicitly and repeatedly states. That is closed minded.
Example?
So you do not know... I thought so. Knowing such things would make you more careful and open-minded, knowing that its not so cut-and-dry and that not everything is a belief-or-rejection choice.
No, we just read what it says. If God forms you from the dust of the earth, then breathes life into you, and transports you to a prepared garden He had already planted, that does not mean that Adam came from a monkey. You do not get to misuse the word assuming here.
Not applicable to Scripture. The whole bible refers back to Genesis right on up till the last chapter. No fable involved. Only belief. Or not.
You cannot accept the Bible and evolution. That's because you've adopted some bizarre doctrine of how Biblical texts have to work in order to function as scripture, a doctrine quite inconsistent with much of Christian history.
I agree. You think that statement requires that God miraculously created us in an instant? Why? Do you think God created you?
I wanted to know if you know about it. I can see you don't, which means you never cared enough to study such things - which actually explains your strict, fundamentalist positions in these areas.
No one can. No more than a dark room can also be bright.
No, that is because I chose to try and believe what is clearly stated
He did not create me the same week He made the stars. Nor did He fashion me like a Potter fashions a vessel from materials that came from earth. Nor did He cause me to sleep deeply and take a bone from me from which the first woman was created. The focus here is Genesis and creation. Not how God is present and working in the womb today
