10 Scientific Facts Evolution is Wrong

[AV1611VET]

Wonderful. So all the impact craters on Earth occurred after the creation of man?

Yes.

On to the rest of my questions.

Okay.

You believe God considers providing the indication that a supernova occurred in the universe before the universe was created, to also be "very good"?

Supernovas occurred when God destroyed a star.

A star is where angels live -- it's their home.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Supernovas that we see today are there for a reason: they attest to God's glory (i.e., His power) and how He handled the rebellion.

Let's take SN1987A as an example.

At one time it was a star that was inhabited by an angel.

Let's call him "Malel".

Malel joins Lucifer in a rebellion -- say around 4003 BC -- and his home gets destroyed ... in other words, the star that was SN1987A goes supernova in 4003 BC.

This event, the destruction of this star that was Malel's home, is "moved forward" along the path of starlight, until it was timed to appear to us in 1987.

In other words, it was moved forward from 168,000 light years out to around 5990 light years out, a distance of some 162,010 light years, in a moment of time.

You believe that God considers leaving evidence that something happened, when it actually didn't happen, to be "very good"?

Cute.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Yes.

Okay.

Supernovas occurred when God destroyed a star.

A star is where angels live -- it's their home.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Supernovas that we see today are there for a reason: they attest to God's glory (i.e., His power) and how He handled the rebellion.

Let's take SN1987A as an example.

At one time it was a star that was inhabited by an angel.

Let's call him "Malel".

Malel joins Lucifer in a rebellion -- say around 4003 BC -- and his home gets destroyed ... in other words, the star that was SN1987A goes supernova in 4003 BC.

This event, the destruction of this star that was Malel's home, is "moved forward" along the path of starlight, until it was timed to appear to us in 1987.

In other words, it was moved forward from 168,000 light years out to around 5990 light years out, a distance of some 162,010 light years, in a moment of time.

So it did happen but God "moved the light 162,010 light years in a moment of time" so that it would look like it happened 168,000 years ago instead of 5990 years ago. He did this to bring glory to Himself?

Cute.

Let me rephrase. You believe that God considers it "very good" to change the evidence of an event so it looks like it happened at a time different from when it really happened?

Would He consider it "very good" if I changed the evidence of an event so it looks like it happened at a time different from when it really happened?
Would He consider it "very good" if I did it to bring glory to Him?

 

[AV1611VET]

So it did happen but God "moved the light 162,010 light years in a moment of time" so that it would look like it happened 168,000 years ago instead of 5990 years ago. He did this to bring glory to Himself?

I'm sure you realize that a light year is not a measure of time, but of distance.

When Captain Kirk beamed down to the surface of a planet, it didn't take him all day to get there.

Let me rephrase. You believe that God considers it "very good" to change the evidence of an event so it looks like it happened at a time different from when it really happened?

No.

Would He consider it "very good" if I changed the evidence of an event so it looks like it happened at a time different from when it really happened?

Again ... "very good" occurs in Genesis 1:31 -- before the rebellion.

 

[DerelictJunction]

I'm sure you realize that a light year is not a measure of time, but of distance.

God moved the light beam a distance so it took less time to reach Earth than it would have if He had left it alone. Since time = distance divided by speed, the astronomers, knowing both speed and distance, were duped into believing that the supernova happened 168,000 years ago. So their potential belief in a 6000 year old universe was contradicted because of the actions of God.

When Captain Kirk beamed down to the surface of a planet, it didn't take him all day to get there.

Fantasy. However, the beaming took some time, it was not instantaneous.

No.

Again ... "very good" occurs in Genesis 1:31 -- before the rebellion.

Then God's actions with regard to SN1987A are not "very good"?

 

[AV1611VET]

God moved the light beam a distance so it took less time to reach Earth than it would have if He had left it alone.

Yes ... for a reason.

Since time = distance divided by speed, the astronomers, knowing both speed and distance, were duped into believing that the supernova happened 168,000 years ago.

I wasn't -- and I'm not even a scientist.

So their potential belief in a 6000 year old universe was contradicted because of the actions of God.

It was contradicted by their lack of belief in a universe that has been in existence only some 6000 years.

Anyone who accuses God of deception has to step over Genesis 1 to do it.

Then God's actions with regard to SN1987A are not "very good"?

Not in the Genesis 1 sense ... no.

Remember the year I gave for the destruction of the star? 4003 BC.

The Creation week occurred in 4004 BC.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Supernovas that we see today are there for a reason: they attest to God's glory (i.e., His power) and how He handled the rebellion.

Let's take SN1987A as an example.

At one time it was a star that was inhabited by an angel.

Let's call him "Malel".

Malel joins Lucifer in a rebellion -- say around 4003 BC -- and his home gets destroyed ... in other words, the star that was SN1987A goes supernova in 4003 BC.

This event, the destruction of this star that was Malel's home, is "moved forward" along the path of starlight, until it was timed to appear to us in 1987.

In other words, it was moved forward from 168,000 light years out to around 5990 light years out, a distance of some 162,010 light years, in a moment of time.

Because it was of vital importance to God that humans see this in 1987... because...?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Yes ... for a reason.

Right, to show off His glory. You believe His changing the evidence for the time that SN1987A went supernova, was justified by the reason for doing so. However, you don't believe that a human changing evidence to make it look like something happened at a different time than it actually happened is justified by the fact that they are doing it for the glory of God. Why the difference?

I wasn't -- and I'm not even a scientist.

Well, we all know you don't care about the evidence.

It was contradicted by their lack of belief in a universe that has been in existence only some 6000 years.

Agreed that they probably didn't believe in the 6000 year old universe anyway but why would God change the evidence to make it look like their belief was correct? To show off?

Anyone who accuses God of deception has to step over Genesis 1 to do it.

I don't understand what you mean by this statement.

Not in the Genesis 1 sense ... no.

Remember the year I gave for the destruction of the star? 4003 BC.

The Creation week occurred in 4004 BC.

Then God no longer does things that He considers to be "very good"?

 

[AV1611VET]

Because it was of vital importance to God that humans see this in 1987... because...?

How should I know?

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

 

[AV1611VET]

Agreed that they probably didn't believe in the 6000 year old universe anyway but why would God change the evidence to make it look like their belief was correct?

You keep using that phrase "change the evidence."

Change what evidence?

He destroyed an angel's house in 4003 BC, then moved the event "down the road" a few miles so we could discover it "in the fulness of time."

And for that I thank Him.

 

[TLK Valentine]

How should I know?

How indeed.

Well, given that a God who wrote the laws of the universe is NOT a capricious wacko who breaks them willy-nilly, there must have been a reason for it.

Given that every time God performs a miracle in our presence, it's to send some kind of message to his people,

And given that this particular miracle is so utterly out of left field that even the most die-hard supporter of miracles-on-demand (that would be you, AV) is utterly clueless as to what the message was,

Then we can only conclude that whatever God was trying to tell us, He failed.

Kind of makes you wonder how many more of God's failures have been lighting up the sky?

 

[Loudmouth]

You keep using that phrase "change the evidence."

Change what evidence?

Did God change the ratio of isotopes in rocks to make them look older after the creation week?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then we can only conclude that whatever God was trying to tell us, He failed.

I can't help it if you can't read the handwriting on the wall.

 

[DerelictJunction]

You keep using that phrase "change the evidence."

Change what evidence?

He destroyed an angel's house in 4003 BC, then moved the event "down the road" a few miles so we could discover it "in the fulness of time."

And for that I thank Him.

And He did in full awareness that moving the event "down the road" a few miles would make it look like the supernova event happened before the time that He said in His Word the universe was created. Not only that, but He did that with every supernova event (blowing down of angel houses) that ever occurred. Add to that His moving down the road of the light from galaxies billions of light years away, again making it look like the galaxies existed at a time before the beginning of the universe as stated in His Word.

He moved the visual evidence of these events so they would be seen on Earth before they naturally would. He knew doing this would make people studying these events think that these events happened thousands, millions or even billions of years before date that the universe was created according to His Word. He knew it would fool people yet He did it anyway. How is this not deceptive?
If I did it, you would say I was being deceptive. He does it and you say He is not being deceptive. Explain the difference in your conclusions about my actions and His actions.

 

[AirPo]

I can't help it if you can't read the handwriting on the wall.

Apparently, neither can God.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I can't help it if you can't read the handwriting on the wall.

I thought His handwriting was in your Bible?

 

[Queller]

Impact craters came from the angelic rebellion.

I believe the universe was created pristine and without "floaties;" but is now occupied by dust and debris due to a cosmic battle that took place some 6000 years ago between good and bad angels.

The asteroid belt is no exception.

Thank you for the perfect example of of an ad hoc nonBiblical claim.

 

[Queller]

You keep using that phrase "change the evidence."

Because that is precisely what you are claiming God did.

Change what evidence?

The evidence of when the supernova occurred.

He destroyed an angel's house in 4003 BC, then moved the event "down the road" a few miles so we could discover it "in the fulness of time."

Evidence?

And for that I thank Him.

Why would you thank God for deceiving people?

 

[Queller]

I can't help it if you can't read the handwriting on the wall.

Oh please, you don't even look at the handwriting on the wall, much less try to read it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes.

Okay.

Supernovas occurred when God destroyed a star.

A star is where angels live -- it's their home.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Supernovas that we see today are there for a reason: they attest to God's glory (i.e., His power) and how He handled the rebellion.

Let's take SN1987A as an example.

At one time it was a star that was inhabited by an angel.

Let's call him "Malel".

Malel joins Lucifer in a rebellion -- say around 4003 BC -- and his home gets destroyed ... in other words, the star that was SN1987A goes supernova in 4003 BC.

This event, the destruction of this star that was Malel's home, is "moved forward" along the path of starlight, until it was timed to appear to us in 1987.

In other words, it was moved forward from 168,000 light years out to around 5990 light years out, a distance of some 162,010 light years, in a moment of time.

Cute.

There's a pretty serious theological flaw in your scenario, as well -- up until 1987, people would look up at the sky and think that Malel was still on God's side -- so if Malel appeared to them and claimed to speak on God's behalf, there'd be no reason to doubt him, since, as the sky itself would attest prior to 1987, he was still an angel in good standing.

How many other angels did God kick out on their keester and delay warning His people about?

 

[AV1611VET]

Thank you for the perfect example of of an ad hoc nonBiblical claim.

You're welcome.